Sorry to be a party pooper but is this Register currently open to view at the National Archives? How detailed is it? It does seem odd that the UK's usual 100-year privacy rules aren't being applied here. Many of the people on this register will still be alive and may not wish their details to be open to worldwide view. Rhoda -----Original Message----- From: John Hanson Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 12:36 PM To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com ; lancsgen@rootsweb.com ; LANCSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] 1939 Register It has just been announced that findmypast.co.uk in conjunction with the National Archives is to digitise and publish the 1939 register. Full details on their blog at http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2014/new-project-to-release-the-1939-register-f or-the-first-time-online/ John Hanson

Now I wonder what's so scary about showing your age , names , address and occupation? This is after the great depression and the beginning of the war, my family were lucky to survive. During the Depression my gran brought up her two sons on her own in Hulme , Manchester. Husband took off and left her when they were youngsters. Maybe her ex might show up in this record. Its a bit late to claim anything from him. Mike Morris Toronto Canada >________________________________ > From: Rhoda Overson <rhoda6@btinternet.com> >To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 3:39:52 PM >  >Sorry to be a party pooper but is this Register currently open to view at >the National Archives?  How detailed is it?  It does seem odd that the UK's >usual 100-year privacy rules aren't being applied here. <snip> >

<<snipped>> is this Register currently open to view at the National Archives? <<snipped>> No. It is currently only accessible through a paid-for manual enquiry process (see http://www.hscic.gov.uk/register-service ). <<snipped>> It does seem odd that the UK's usual 100-year privacy rules aren't being applied here. <<snipped>> Not so. What the FMP news item doesn't state (presumably because they think detail will scare the horses) is covered in Chris Paton's blog at http://britishgenes.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/findmypast-to-digitise-englishwel sh.html where he states "information about living individuals will be kept closed for 100 years from their year of birth, or until proof of death has been authenticated". This is the case for the manual process as well, though again many references to it, don't bother with details like that. <<snipped>> How detailed is it? <<snipped>> To quote the "Register Service" web-site for the current process: "Data will be provided only where the individual is recorded as deceased (or where clear evidence of death can be provided by the applicant) and will include; National Registration number Address Surname First Forename Other Forename(s)/Initial(s) Date of Birth Sex Marital Status Occupation Adrian B

Thanks for answering my questions, Adrian I am now wondering how the digitised system is going to work in practice. Presumably the details of those with a date of birth of, say, 1918 or earlier will be 'open to view' (at, of course, a charge of £x). But presumably they will not be 'viewed' in the context of a household as others in the household may still be alive. So, what is being offered is a database of individuals and not households? And it will not apply to the Scottish records? (regardless of a 'yes' or 'no' vote in September!). Rhoda -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Bruce Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:57 PM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAN] 1939 Register <<snipped>> is this Register currently open to view at the National Archives? <<snipped>> No. It is currently only accessible through a paid-for manual enquiry process (see http://www.hscic.gov.uk/register-service ). <<snipped>> It does seem odd that the UK's usual 100-year privacy rules aren't being applied here. <<snipped>> Not so. What the FMP news item doesn't state (presumably because they think detail will scare the horses) is covered in Chris Paton's blog at http://britishgenes.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/findmypast-to-digitise-englishwel sh.html where he states "information about living individuals will be kept closed for 100 years from their year of birth, or until proof of death has been authenticated". This is the case for the manual process as well, though again many references to it, don't bother with details like that. <<snipped>> How detailed is it? <<snipped>> To quote the "Register Service" web-site for the current process: "Data will be provided only where the individual is recorded as deceased (or where clear evidence of death can be provided by the applicant) and will include; National Registration number Address Surname First Forename Other Forename(s)/Initial(s) Date of Birth Sex Marital Status Occupation Adrian B ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rhoda No it is not open to public view however thats an organisational problem rather than due to legislation The 1939 National Identity Register is in the care of the NHS and you can request an entry for £42 subject to conditions (ie proof of death) There is no usual 100 year privacy rule in the UK, it applies to some things and not to others, some have 75 years, other no restriction, the 100 year on the census was retrospectively applied Electoral rolls are already available right up to date and 2002 to 2013 are online at findmypast (subject to the person not opting out on the form) The 1940 census is already online for the USA and I haven't seen the Country collapse :-) The 1939 National Identity Register is also available in Scotland for a much smaller fee of £13 <http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2010/01/12103321> All the details (and more) on the National Registration can be obtained by obtaining a birth certificate or marriage certificate for that person, as they are public records right up to the present day To be on the NI register you would need to be at least 75, all people I have known who appear in any census have been tickled pink to see themselves, I have never known anyone to be offended However the details for those less than 100 years from the date of birth will be closed unless proof of death can be furnished As I said the same details and more can be obtained quite easily by obtaining a certificate Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27/03/2014 19:39, Rhoda Overson wrote: > Sorry to be a party pooper but is this Register currently open to view at > the National Archives? How detailed is it? It does seem odd that the UK's > usual 100-year privacy rules aren't being applied here. Many of the people > on this register will still be alive and may not wish their details to be > open to worldwide view. > > Rhoda