Thanks Adrian. Now to find out what an East Coast Billy Boy was. Quite fascinating to learn about the different boats. I have looked at the Mighty Seas website over the years. What a terrific reference source. It was one of the sites which had information about my Mariner relatives...Pernie, Charnley, Wilson, Hunter, Anyon. The mariners seem to have been a very close knit group as the Ulverston group all are related. Noreen Victoria, Canada > On Dec 20, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> wrote: > > Try looking up Mersey Flats for one - while the Mersey Flats per se were built for riverine traffic, there were variants built for coastal traffic. "Flat" refers to the flat-bottom of the boat, for grounding on coastal beaches, etc. > > According to p50/51 of "Mersey Flats and Flatmen", the late 18th and early 19th century galliot was a "ketch rig with the addition of a square topsail on the main mast, very similar to the east coast billy boys." (No, me neither, I'm just quoting!) The author suspects that the hull was similar to a Flat even if the rig wasn't. > > On p22, galliots and galliot flats are described as twin masted, flat-bottomed topsail schooners - also referred to as Barrow flats - possibly derived from the Mersey Flats. Schooner refers to the rig - forget all the glamorous images of topsail schooners by a tropical island. > > I suspect that http://mightyseas.perso.sfr.fr/marhist/furness/ashburners/result.htm may show something of the beast, though the text suggests this was a touch more graceful than usual. > > Adrian >> >> My relatives were mariners from Ulverston. John Pernie was a captain of a " gailot" while James Pernie captained a ship "rigged square". I know that a gailot is a flat bottomed boat. Some reports describe it as similar to a barge while others say after 1830 it could be like a schooner. What type would have sailed from Ulverston to Liverpool hauling pig iron and coal? >> >> Can anyone direct me to or forward pictures of what these ships from Ulverston might have looked like? >> >> Noreen >> >> >> >> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: >> >> Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! >> >> The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] >> >> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >