> Today's Topics: > > 1. Quiet mailing list. (Mike Morris) Well here’s a query or 4 for anyone… I have lots more. I am researching the Allman family of Denbighshire, Flintshire, Cheshire and Shropshire - this has now expanded to the North West. Currently I am focussed on Manchester Allmans. I am trying to match up marriages between a John Allman and an Elizabeth. On the 1851 census I have a John Allman b Flintshire living with Elizabeth and Jane and a lodger on Vauxhall Row, Collyhurst Road, Manchester. The same John is at 85 Hart Street, Manchester on the 1861 census but with a new wife as Elizabeth has died. (He eventually moves back to Wales) Her burial details are: Elizabeth ALLMAN, 21 Jun 1858 Vauxhall Road COLLYHURST MANCHESTER CHEETHAM HILL WESLEYAN CEMETERY Aged 53 (1805) Grave No 3596 (owner John ALLMAN) On the burial register, there is a burial below this - blank - suspect it’s a still-born baby although Elizabeth would be 53 at that time. I have a John Allman b outside of Lancashire and an Elizabeth Allman b in Lancashire on the 1841 census at Union Street, Salford with 3 others. John is described as a ‘Distiller’ and given that by 1851 John is a ‘Bar Retailer’ my working hypothesis is that these are one and the same. Q1 WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THIS? There is a further confusion with this family in that they have Jane Allman as their daughter. The Jane Allman that fits this age is born to Isaac Allman (Tailor) and marries William Spence in 1867 where she gives her address as Vauxhall Street. Now it gets confusing… Elizabeth (above) is buried in Grave 3596, the owner of which is one John ALLMAN In the same grave is: John Frederick ALLMAN 2 Oct 1853 Stephen Street SALFORD MANCHESTER CHEETHAM HILL WESLEYAN CEMETERY Aged 4 OWNER John ALLMAN Grave No 3596 The only John Frederick to fit this is one born to John and Sarah ALLMAN who are on the census for 1841 through 1861 and in 1851 live on St Stephen street. Q2 ARE ST STEPHEN STREET AND STEPHEN STREET ONE AND THE SAME? Q3 WHY WOULD JOHN FREDERICK BE BURIED IN GRAVE 3596? (There doesn’t appear to be any family links.) MOVING ON… The marriage I have (tentatively) for this John b Flintshire is in Bangor, Flintshire 28 Dec 1833 to Elizabeth BENNETT. (John is born 1811 to John and Eleanor) Given that on the census Elizabeth is down as b IN (Lancashire) in 1841; and b Manchester in 1851. It seems unlikely this could be so. Q4 IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE MARRIAGE FOR THIS JOHN? It would be interesting if anyone could help out. Cheers Tony