Not quite the question but there is a section in this book that tells quite a bit about migrants in the 1850s. After the first dismasting, the ANNIE JANE returned to Liverpool. The passengers then got an allowance to cover their living and lodging costs. I seem to remember there were lodging house that specialised in providing accommodation for emigrants and also there were places where they could buy supplies for the journey. The better off did not want to sail on the ship so rebooked at their own expense on other ships but most could not afford that and could not get a refund so had to sail again on the ANNIE JANE and most drowned. There is even a Lancashire aspect with a story about the Minister of Blackrod church and his encounter with a young Irish girl who he got pregnant! The Wreck Of The 'Annie Jane' ISBN 9780861524129 http://www.anniejane.net/ Worth seeing if you can get hold of a copy through your local library. Martin Briscoe Fort William Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507) -----Original Message----- From: Mike Morris [mailto:morrisind@rogers.com] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 7:49 PM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] What did passengers in Liverpool England do while they waited to sail to the USA in the 1800's

All good here. On Tue, 26 Mar 2019, 4:27 AM N NASH <nnash@shaw.ca wrote: > I have not been receiving messages and hence the test. > > Noreen > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, > and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word > UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hello Noreen, I wish I could be of some help but this type query has never cropped up in my research. Hopefully a list member might be able to help you. Have you looked on the internet for the main library in Liverpool. Send them an email with this question. I would think they would be the best for this type record. Failing that I have known the libraries in other cities. To give information as to where you need apply. Liverpool Libraries and Archives 3rd Floor Central Library William Brown Street Liverpool, Lancashire L3 8EW UK Telephone: 0151 233 3069 Email: archives@liverpool.gov.uk Website: Archives and Family History Kind regards, Mike Morris Toronto Canada On ‎Monday‎, ‎March‎ ‎25‎, ‎2019‎ ‎02‎:‎44‎:‎57‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT, N NASH <nnash@shaw.ca> wrote:  Since the list is quiet I have a query that covers a few counties but ends up in Lancashire. My grandparents, Edmund and Maria Dirks plus children Paul and Frederick, left Russia via Libau for Hull or Grimsby then travelled to Liverpool in 1904. I have been trying, for more years than I care to admit, to figure out what happened in Liverpool while they were waiting for the Carpathia to sail. <snip>

Thanks Mike for the reply. Since the list is quiet I have a query that covers a few counties but ends up in Lancashire. My grandparents, Edmund and Maria Dirks plus children Paul and Frederick, left Russia via Libau for Hull or Grimsby then travelled to Liverpool in 1904. I have been trying, for more years than I care to admit, to figure out what happened in Liverpool while they were waiting for the Carpathia to sail. It is my understanding there were many fraudsters and that tickets were sold and resold, many devious deeds, false train tickets, accommodations booked in Liverpool that didn’t exist etc. It is a fascinating story but information is very hard to come by. Would there have been a register in Liverpool for transients to ensure they continued to move on? During that time period up to 40,000 people a year passed through Hull heading to Liverpool. But surely some type of control was exercised. As an aside my grandparents left Russia with two children, a three week old baby and one that was almost two. Somehow the younger boy Paul was entered on the passenger list as Lydia and registered at Ellis Island also as Lydia. Six hours out of Liverpool near “The Needles” the older boy died of convulsions. My poor grandmother was only 23, spoke no English and had already lost one child. She always carried the guilt that she should have refused to sail with a sick child. The final destination was Winnipeg and life was not pleasant for her in the arranged marriage. I look forward to any insight or suggestions that might be offered. Noreen > On Mar 25, 2019, at 10:59 AM, Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> wrote: > > Yep you are on site. > Mike MorrisToronto Canada > On ‎Monday‎, ‎March‎ ‎25‎, ‎2019‎ ‎01‎:‎27‎:‎51‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT, N NASH <nnash@shaw.ca> wrote: > > I have not been receiving messages and hence the test. > > Noreen > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Yep you are on site.  Mike MorrisToronto Canada On ‎Monday‎, ‎March‎ ‎25‎, ‎2019‎ ‎01‎:‎27‎:‎51‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT, N NASH <nnash@shaw.ca> wrote: I have not been receiving messages and hence the test. Noreen _______________________________________________ Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information.  http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I have not been receiving messages and hence the test. Noreen

Dear Lynne, Many thanks for your message, regards Peter Chard, once Fleetwood, now NZ since 1966, I am even starting to sound like a Kiwi now when I open my mouth !!! -----Original Message----- From: Lynne [mailto:lklein@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, 18 March, 2019 4:48 AM To: Undisclosed recipients: Subject: [LAN] New Zealand subscribers Dear friends in New Zealand, We are mourning with you. Keeping you all in my thoughts and prayers. Lynne _______________________________________________ Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Dear friends in New Zealand, We are mourning with you. Keeping you all in my thoughts and prayers. Lynne

Hi, Folks, I recently received this from John Marsden - New data has been added at www.lancashirebmd.org.uk as follows: Added 5,038 Deaths for Bury RD comprising: Bury (1950-1954) Thanks are due to Tony Foster and his team. [endquote] Hope it helps, Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.)

Forwarded with permission. >CHORLEY BRANCH MEETING - Thursday 21 March 2019, 7.30 pm > >Cunliffe Hall (Chorley Masonic Hall), Cunliffe Street, Chorley, PR7 2BE > >Tonight, our own Steve Williams: My Ancestor was a Freemason. > >Men from all walks of life joined a Lodge; perhaps one of your ancestors did too: Grocer, Cotton Spinner, Doctor, Publican, Musician – who knows. > >This evening will also be our AGM, which includes the election of the Committee. > >This section will be kept as brief as possible, and we ask all members to consider if they can offer themselves for a position, as fresh ideas are always very much appreciated. > >The doors will open at 7pm, but will have to be locked at 7:40pm, so please make sure you arrive in time. > >A raffle will be held during the evening, and refreshments will be available following the talk. A modest 50p is suggested. > >As always, a warm welcome awaits everyone, admission is free, but donations from non-members are very much appreciated. > >Application forms to join the Society will be available, please just ask. > >For further details of our branch see www.lfhhschorleybranch.com > >For opening times of the Family History Research Centre in Astley Hall Farmhouse please see www.cfhrc.com >

The next meeting of the LFHHS Pendle & Burnley Branch will take place on Wednesday 20th March in the usual venue, the upstairs meeting room at Colne Library BB8 0AP. Our speaker will be Joe O'Neill who is giving a talk, "The Secret History of the Victorian Lodging House."  The talk is based on a book he has written and this website has details and reviews: www.amazon.co.uk/Secret-World-Victorian-Lodging-House/dp/1781593930/ <http://www.amazon.co.uk/Secret-World-Victorian-Lodging-House/dp/1781593930/> He is also going to bring copies of his book to sell. Sounds like an interesting talk? The talk starts at 7.30pm - doors open at 7pm so there will be a chance to chat to other members and perhaps ask for help with any problems you have come across in your research. All welcome. The meeting room is upstairs but there is a lift available. The full address is Colne Library, Market Street, Colne, Lancashire, BB8 0AP. Please note: Colne Library closes to the public at 6pm. The meeting room is accessed via the rear entrance facing the car park which has no charges or restrictions in the evenings. See the website http://www.lfhhs-pendleandburnley.org.uk for further information. Application forms to join the Society will be available - please just ask. -- Colin Spiller colin@thespillers.org.uk

Thanks for that Jim! Could be useful. On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 4:55 PM jim lancaster <lancaster.jim@zen.co.uk> wrote: > Hi, Folks, > > Catholic Family History Society > > I have just been informed that the Catholic FHS web-site has been > improved and upgraded. It is at http://catholicfhs.online/index.php > > There are seven tabs for information, some open in a new screen and some > are downloads. Particularly useful are the Publications and Research tabs. > > Hope this helps, > > Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.) > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, > and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word > UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hi, Folks, Catholic Family History Society I have just been informed that the Catholic FHS web-site has been improved and upgraded. It is at http://catholicfhs.online/index.php There are seven tabs for information, some open in a new screen and some are downloads. Particularly useful are the Publications and Research tabs. Hope this helps, Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.)

I am researching a friends family.  They did not seem to do much in church.  Here is the info I have:Joseph Plum born 1833, Cheshire, Northwest, according to the 1881 census he is a boat man, bargewife Harriet Prescott, born 1852 Widnes, Lancashire, daughters Alice Ann born 1868 LiverpoolMary Elizabeth born 1870 LiverpoolSarah Ellen born 1880, Pemberton I can't find Joseph and Harriet's marriage.  I can find them in the 1881 census by turning smart filtering off on Ancestry, they are listed as Hurst.  The writing on the line above has distorted their names.Later they also had a daughter Roseanna and a son Joseph.It was her birth that gave me Harriet's maiden name. I can't find them in 1871 census, they should be there as a family, Harriet should at least be with Alice Ann.Can't find Alice Ann birth to order.I have contacted the Lancashire Boat Society (I can't remember what it is officially called)  Joseph Plum looks like he should fit in, but his birth is wrong.  There are several families there that look like they could be uncles etc. But not my Joseph.Alice Ann is my friends grandmother.  Her father was Patrick Plumb born 1900.  They had added the 'b' by then.  He came to Canada as a Bernardo boy.I have her tree on Ancestry, Plumb family.Let me just say, there are a lot of errors in other Plum trees.My wish list, the marriage of Harriet to Joseph Plum, 1871 census listing, any early census listing.  I have the census from 1881 on.One more thing, Patrick and his sister Esther Ann were taken by the Bernardo Homes.  From what I can see Esther Ann never married.Sorry to ramble on. I also realize that Joseph Plum is older than Harriet, and could have been married before.Any help would be appreciated.Still cold here in Canada.Margaret Marion

Preston Branch of the Lancashire Family History and Heraldry Society Friday 8th March 2019 Family History Surgery Lancashire Archives Bow Lane Preston PR1 2RE 10am - 12 "Some of our members will be on hand to help you with your family research and hopefully help you to knock down your brick walls. Please bring along any relevant paperwork and anything of interest." https://www.lfhhs.org/branch.php?br=11

Gents, Thanks for the input, at least I'm not going mad. My assumption was based on the fact that they both had the same reference number, but I note the note of caution. Now all I have to work out is where the Alice name came from, there are none in that extended line and it doesn't appear to be a second forename. Love this hobby. Regards, Howard. -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Bruce <abruce6155@gmail.com> Sent: 05 March 2019 16:53 To: LancsGen Mailing List <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LAN] Re: Double death entry On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 at 03:45, Peter Booth via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Yes these entries refer to the same person. Quite agree - one certificate, two index entries (because there are 2 names for this person). On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 at 03:45, Peter Booth via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > ... this is two mentions of the same person. You can tell that because they share the same reference number. We need to be a bit wary here and check first before assuming "same reference number" means same certificate / person. It *does here* - we can check that by, as Peter suggests, using the same page link to see that most of them have different reference numbers. However, down here in Cheshire, if I understand it correctly, the reference numbers sometimes mean the individual certificate and sometimes they refer to the *page* - like the GRO referencing does. And it even changes within the same district over the years! In such a case, there'd be 5(?) people, all with the same reference number on that page. Whether Lancashire has the same swapping and changing, I've no idea. Adrian _______________________________________________ Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 at 03:45, Peter Booth via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Yes these entries refer to the same person. Quite agree - one certificate, two index entries (because there are 2 names for this person). On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 at 03:45, Peter Booth via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > ... this is two mentions of the same person. You can tell that because they share the same reference number. We need to be a bit wary here and check first before assuming "same reference number" means same certificate / person. It *does here* - we can check that by, as Peter suggests, using the same page link to see that most of them have different reference numbers. However, down here in Cheshire, if I understand it correctly, the reference numbers sometimes mean the individual certificate and sometimes they refer to the *page* - like the GRO referencing does. And it even changes within the same district over the years! In such a case, there'd be 5(?) people, all with the same reference number on that page. Whether Lancashire has the same swapping and changing, I've no idea. Adrian

Yes these entries refer to the same person. This is common with people who were known by multiple names. Indeed, if you look at the lancsbmd page and click on the “entry” link and then the “same page” link you will see a list of about seven death entries. Two of them are for Johanna/Alice Vowe - and two more are for Jane and Jean Nye. Just as with your relative this is two mentions of the same person. You can tell that because they share the same reference number. If they were a pair of 58yo identical twins who died together they might appear on the same page but would have different numbers. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 4, 2019, at 6:54 PM, Howard Jones <howard.o.jones@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello wise people, > > > > I have a bit of a conundrum, which I hope that you can help with. > > > > I am tracing the Vowe branch of my tree in Manchester. Not a common name, so > I thought that it would be easy. > > > > I have John Vowe b.1900 marrying Johanna Goulden b.1902 in Prestwich RD in > 1926. All with Lancs BMD and GRO refs. > > > > So far so good. > > > > Skip forward to the 1939 Register and I have John and his widowed mother > living with Alice Vowe, a married woman born in 1902. I'm assuming that > Alice is the wife of John. > > > > Moving forward to 1968 I find the following deaths: > > > > Vowe Alice 65 Manchester 10e 505 > > Vowe Johanne 65 Manchester 10e 505 > > > > I cannot find a death for Johanna between 1926 and 1939, and she does not > appear on the 1939 Register. > > > > My assumption is that Johanna and Alice are the same person. But if that is > the case, why are there two death references? > > > > Interestingly on the same page in the Lancs BMD register there is also > another double entry for a Jane and Jean Nye, > http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/matchref.php?county=lancashire > <http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/matchref.php?county=lancashire&date=1968&ty > pe=death&reference=BOOK(CRU)%2F342%2F493&prefix=MR> > &date=1968&type=death&reference=BOOK(CRU)%2F342%2F493&prefix=MR > > > > > > Any thoughts gratefully received. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Howard > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hello wise people, I have a bit of a conundrum, which I hope that you can help with. I am tracing the Vowe branch of my tree in Manchester. Not a common name, so I thought that it would be easy. I have John Vowe b.1900 marrying Johanna Goulden b.1902 in Prestwich RD in 1926. All with Lancs BMD and GRO refs. So far so good. Skip forward to the 1939 Register and I have John and his widowed mother living with Alice Vowe, a married woman born in 1902. I'm assuming that Alice is the wife of John. Moving forward to 1968 I find the following deaths: Vowe Alice 65 Manchester 10e 505 Vowe Johanne 65 Manchester 10e 505 I cannot find a death for Johanna between 1926 and 1939, and she does not appear on the 1939 Register. My assumption is that Johanna and Alice are the same person. But if that is the case, why are there two death references? Interestingly on the same page in the Lancs BMD register there is also another double entry for a Jane and Jean Nye, http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/matchref.php?county=lancashire <http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/matchref.php?county=lancashire&date=1968&ty pe=death&reference=BOOK(CRU)%2F342%2F493&prefix=MR> &date=1968&type=death&reference=BOOK(CRU)%2F342%2F493&prefix=MR Any thoughts gratefully received. Best regards, Howard

Hello Nan, Adrian, and all RootsWeb has been off-line for several days. Lynne Nan Bailey <aus.bailey@gmail.com> >Sent: Feb 27, 2019 6:14 PM >To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com >Subject: [LAN] Re: Lancashire Mailing List > >Hi Adrian, I have just read this message so that came through, and I also >haven't seen much traffic on the list. > >Maybe the members are just all busy with other things such as watching the >live streaming of the Roots Tech conference in Salt Lake City. > >Nan Bailey >Australia >