Action for Children is seeking to find descendants of some of the first children placed in care, photographs of whom are on the website at <http://tinyurl.com/yyphs57u> and available to download. Many of the children were placed in London, but there are a few in Lancashire, Hampshire, Birmingham, Cardiff, Oxfordshire, and Hertfordshire. There's a short but very interesting video of a descendant of Sophia FAUGAUL, who was admitted to Bonner Road Children’s Home in London in 1872. If you recognise one of the children in the photos, email Action for Children at 150@actionforchildren.org.uk. "Some of our records are incomplete, but we'll share any information we can find in our archives." Lynne

Thanks once again. Such an eye opener! Noreen > On Mar 26, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Teri Cleaveland <bunnypurple51@gmail.com> wrote: > > Martin, > Very interesting! Thank you for posting! > > Teri Cleaveland > > > ***** > Ps 37:4-7 > http://tcleaveland.lifevantage.com/ > https://www.facebook.com/Cleavelandindiansonline/ > ***** > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:43 PM Martin Briscoe (W10 desktop) > <list@mbriscoe.me.uk> wrote: >> >> Looking through my book on the ANNIE JANE (1853), a few notes. >> >> There was a group of 100 tradesmen from Scotland on the ship. They went down to Liverpool on a steamer with their tools etc. They arrived on the evening of Thursday 18th August and had arranged to spend night on board. Next morning to went to hire carts to moved their luggage from Clarence Dock to Albert Dock. They found that the sailing had been delayed by four days, not an unusual occurrence with migrant ships. Passengers paid a deposit then the rest of the fare before departure. They were paid a shilling a day by the ship's agents during the delay, lodging houses were full of people trying to get by on that shilling. Delays of up to a fortnight were not uncommon. The lodgings cost fourpence a night with the use of a fire for cooking. Emigrants said that with being away from home they could easily spend more than the shilling. >> >> The Glasgow tradesmen had to leave their sea chests and barrels of provisions uncovered at the docks. Next morning they force the agent down to the docks t let them board the ship before any of their possessions were stolen. Most took one look at the dark space where they were allocated berths and paid an extra five shilling to upgrade to second class >> >> It was a legal requirement that the migrant ships were inspected by a Government emigration agent. They checked the stowage of cargo and were supposed to check every passenger had an allocated berth. The only fault was the state of the water closets. He declined the certificate because the six steerage water closets were dirty, badly designed and shoddily constructed. The Glasgow joiners were put to work rectifying these faults. >> >> They were towed out into the North Channel by a steam tug and released from the tow off Rathlin Island. >> >> The ship was straight away found to be disorganised with over 400 passengers trying to get fed at the same time. The passenger gave their name and berth number and were issued with food or water. Their name was then ticked off but many found their name had already been ticked off. The crew were supposed to weight the ration but only had small scales and they were difficult to use as the ship rolled around. >> >> Passengers began to complain about not getting their entitlement of tea, biscuits, bread, oatmeal, rice and water. The small galley was chaotic as people all turned up at the same time, trying to prepare their meals. Those not in the first group would find all the hot water had been used. Some complained they could not get breakfast before midday. Under an act of parliament in 1852 provisions should have been issued cooked but ship owners ignored this. >> >> Three days into the voyage the wind increased and the three topmasts broke. The fore-hold hatch had only a loose covering of planks and these were damaged by the falling spares so torrents of freezing sea water was pouring in. Debris was being washed around, passengers' chests broke loose and were being thrown about. By next morning the damage had been cleared away and the ship resumed its journey to Canada on reduced sail! >> >> Most of the women and children and many of the men would not risk the dangers of the main deck, which at times was awash with sea water, to get to the steerage toilets. >> >> >> >> They got back to Liverpool. >> >> They were to be given four shillings each as subsistence for their stay in Liverpool. >> >> At sea they had been supposed to be given during the period at sea ten pounds of oatmeal each but only received one pound and no flour or salt. >> >> It was found that two brothers and their sister had had no berths because the numbers had been duplicated and allocated to some others. >> >> ............................ >> >> >> >> Martin Briscoe >> Fort William >> Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: N NASH [mailto:nnash@shaw.ca] >> Sent: 26 March 2019 20:40 >> To: martin@mbriscoe.me.uk; lancsgen@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [LAN] Re: What did passengers in Liverpool England do while they waited to sail to the USA in the 1800's >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. >> >> GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ >> >> Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. >> >> To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE >> in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

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Martin, Very interesting! Thank you for posting! Teri Cleaveland ***** Ps 37:4-7 http://tcleaveland.lifevantage.com/ https://www.facebook.com/Cleavelandindiansonline/ ***** On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:43 PM Martin Briscoe (W10 desktop) <list@mbriscoe.me.uk> wrote: > > Looking through my book on the ANNIE JANE (1853), a few notes. > > There was a group of 100 tradesmen from Scotland on the ship. They went down to Liverpool on a steamer with their tools etc. They arrived on the evening of Thursday 18th August and had arranged to spend night on board. Next morning to went to hire carts to moved their luggage from Clarence Dock to Albert Dock. They found that the sailing had been delayed by four days, not an unusual occurrence with migrant ships. Passengers paid a deposit then the rest of the fare before departure. They were paid a shilling a day by the ship's agents during the delay, lodging houses were full of people trying to get by on that shilling. Delays of up to a fortnight were not uncommon. The lodgings cost fourpence a night with the use of a fire for cooking. Emigrants said that with being away from home they could easily spend more than the shilling. > > The Glasgow tradesmen had to leave their sea chests and barrels of provisions uncovered at the docks. Next morning they force the agent down to the docks t let them board the ship before any of their possessions were stolen. Most took one look at the dark space where they were allocated berths and paid an extra five shilling to upgrade to second class > > It was a legal requirement that the migrant ships were inspected by a Government emigration agent. They checked the stowage of cargo and were supposed to check every passenger had an allocated berth. The only fault was the state of the water closets. He declined the certificate because the six steerage water closets were dirty, badly designed and shoddily constructed. The Glasgow joiners were put to work rectifying these faults. > > They were towed out into the North Channel by a steam tug and released from the tow off Rathlin Island. > > The ship was straight away found to be disorganised with over 400 passengers trying to get fed at the same time. The passenger gave their name and berth number and were issued with food or water. Their name was then ticked off but many found their name had already been ticked off. The crew were supposed to weight the ration but only had small scales and they were difficult to use as the ship rolled around. > > Passengers began to complain about not getting their entitlement of tea, biscuits, bread, oatmeal, rice and water. The small galley was chaotic as people all turned up at the same time, trying to prepare their meals. Those not in the first group would find all the hot water had been used. Some complained they could not get breakfast before midday. Under an act of parliament in 1852 provisions should have been issued cooked but ship owners ignored this. > > Three days into the voyage the wind increased and the three topmasts broke. The fore-hold hatch had only a loose covering of planks and these were damaged by the falling spares so torrents of freezing sea water was pouring in. Debris was being washed around, passengers' chests broke loose and were being thrown about. By next morning the damage had been cleared away and the ship resumed its journey to Canada on reduced sail! > > Most of the women and children and many of the men would not risk the dangers of the main deck, which at times was awash with sea water, to get to the steerage toilets. > > > > They got back to Liverpool. > > They were to be given four shillings each as subsistence for their stay in Liverpool. > > At sea they had been supposed to be given during the period at sea ten pounds of oatmeal each but only received one pound and no flour or salt. > > It was found that two brothers and their sister had had no berths because the numbers had been duplicated and allocated to some others. > > ............................ > > > > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507) > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: N NASH [mailto:nnash@shaw.ca] > Sent: 26 March 2019 20:40 > To: martin@mbriscoe.me.uk; lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LAN] Re: What did passengers in Liverpool England do while they waited to sail to the USA in the 1800's > > > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Looking through my book on the ANNIE JANE (1853), a few notes. There was a group of 100 tradesmen from Scotland on the ship. They went down to Liverpool on a steamer with their tools etc. They arrived on the evening of Thursday 18th August and had arranged to spend night on board. Next morning to went to hire carts to moved their luggage from Clarence Dock to Albert Dock. They found that the sailing had been delayed by four days, not an unusual occurrence with migrant ships. Passengers paid a deposit then the rest of the fare before departure. They were paid a shilling a day by the ship's agents during the delay, lodging houses were full of people trying to get by on that shilling. Delays of up to a fortnight were not uncommon. The lodgings cost fourpence a night with the use of a fire for cooking. Emigrants said that with being away from home they could easily spend more than the shilling. The Glasgow tradesmen had to leave their sea chests and barrels of provisions uncovered at the docks. Next morning they force the agent down to the docks t let them board the ship before any of their possessions were stolen. Most took one look at the dark space where they were allocated berths and paid an extra five shilling to upgrade to second class It was a legal requirement that the migrant ships were inspected by a Government emigration agent. They checked the stowage of cargo and were supposed to check every passenger had an allocated berth. The only fault was the state of the water closets. He declined the certificate because the six steerage water closets were dirty, badly designed and shoddily constructed. The Glasgow joiners were put to work rectifying these faults. They were towed out into the North Channel by a steam tug and released from the tow off Rathlin Island. The ship was straight away found to be disorganised with over 400 passengers trying to get fed at the same time. The passenger gave their name and berth number and were issued with food or water. Their name was then ticked off but many found their name had already been ticked off. The crew were supposed to weight the ration but only had small scales and they were difficult to use as the ship rolled around. Passengers began to complain about not getting their entitlement of tea, biscuits, bread, oatmeal, rice and water. The small galley was chaotic as people all turned up at the same time, trying to prepare their meals. Those not in the first group would find all the hot water had been used. Some complained they could not get breakfast before midday. Under an act of parliament in 1852 provisions should have been issued cooked but ship owners ignored this. Three days into the voyage the wind increased and the three topmasts broke. The fore-hold hatch had only a loose covering of planks and these were damaged by the falling spares so torrents of freezing sea water was pouring in. Debris was being washed around, passengers' chests broke loose and were being thrown about. By next morning the damage had been cleared away and the ship resumed its journey to Canada on reduced sail! Most of the women and children and many of the men would not risk the dangers of the main deck, which at times was awash with sea water, to get to the steerage toilets. They got back to Liverpool. They were to be given four shillings each as subsistence for their stay in Liverpool. At sea they had been supposed to be given during the period at sea ten pounds of oatmeal each but only received one pound and no flour or salt. It was found that two brothers and their sister had had no berths because the numbers had been duplicated and allocated to some others. ............................ Martin Briscoe Fort William Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507) -----Original Message----- From: N NASH [mailto:nnash@shaw.ca] Sent: 26 March 2019 20:40 To: martin@mbriscoe.me.uk; lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] Re: What did passengers in Liverpool England do while they waited to sail to the USA in the 1800's

Thank you all for your hints! I have tried a few of these but you've given more options! Thank you for letting me be off-topic! Teri On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 3:09 PM Dot holden <koolbean1234@gmail.com> wrote: > > Teri, try looking here - > https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Belgium_Online_Genealogy_Records > > Dot > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 5:59 PM Teri Cleaveland <bunnypurple51@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I am working on some Belgium/Flemish families. Ancestry doesn't have a > > Belgium collection > > . > > > > TIA > > Teri > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Teri, try looking here - https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Belgium_Online_Genealogy_Records Dot On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 5:59 PM Teri Cleaveland <bunnypurple51@gmail.com> wrote: > I am working on some Belgium/Flemish families. Ancestry doesn't have a > Belgium collection > . > > TIA > Teri > > >

Try "France" on Ancestry. On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 11:00, Teri Cleaveland <bunnypurple51@gmail.com> wrote: > I am working on some Belgium/Flemish families. Ancestry doesn't have a > Belgium collection and I don't seem to find anything when I use all > collections. I tried a rootsweb email list and it seems what I need > isn't active anymore and I've had no luck on Family Search. > I am looking specifically at the West Flanders area, do any of you > have any suggestions. > > TIA > Teri > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, > and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word > UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

I can’t imagine how difficult that must have been with money scarce to buy food and cooking almost impossible. Thanks once again. Noreen > On Mar 25, 2019, at 3:03 PM, Martin Briscoe (W10 laptop) <list@mbriscoe.me.uk> wrote: > > The lowest class of passenger had to cook (and supply?) their own food. Can't remember if there were pans etc. on the ship. Conditions were tough, lavatories were on deck but could not be used in bad weather. So they had to resort to buckets etc.! I had not heard before but it says that sailors like the spillage of the effluent from below because it showed that the hull was not leaking seawater! > > Another book worth reading if you can get through your library is this one. Most is about various Welsh people who went to America but there is one chapter with advice for migrants on travelling across the country to the West coast, which railway line to use, tickets etc. > > The book was originally in Welsh but a translation was published in the US a few years ago. > > Hanes Cymry America (1872) > Great Plains Welsh Heritage Project > ISBN 9780979507625 > > > Martin Briscoe > Fort

I have found some records on and through this site https://en.geneanet.org/ It has has some good links to resources in Europe and some family trees that are well researched. I’ve used it mainly for France but..also for the French/Belgium border... not so good unfortunately as all I could find were unsourced trees.. but I felt there were possibilities if I dug a little Hope it helps Jane Jane Lucas > On 26 Mar 2019, at 18:21, Penny Trueman <maudtrueman@gmail.com> wrote: > > Teri, I researched in that area some years back but off the top of my head > I can't recall how I got to it. Will have a think and a search. Hopefully > someone more up to date will know! > Best wishes, Penny > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 6:00 PM Teri Cleaveland <bunnypurple51@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I am working on some Belgium/Flemish families. Ancestry doesn't have a >> Belgium collection and I don't seem to find anything when I use all >> collections. I tried a rootsweb email list and it seems what I need >> isn't active anymore and I've had no luck on Family Search. >> I am looking specifically at the West Flanders area, do any of you >> have any suggestions. >> >> TIA >> Teri >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. >> >> GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/ >> >> Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, >> and information. >> >> To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word >> UNSUBSCRIBE >> in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Teri: you could also try Cyndi's List, which is still going strong. Belgium: - https://www.cyndislist.com/belgium/ As Linda said: good luck :) On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 6:52 PM Linda <linsfam@myfairpoint.net> wrote: > Have you tried Familysearch.org? I know we found some somewhere. I'll > check with my daughter. Also try GenealogieOnline. Lots of info there but > hard to find what you want. > Good luck. > > > > On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 11:59:14 -0600, Teri Cleaveland wrote: > > I am working on some Belgium/Flemish families. Ancestry doesn't have a > Belgium collection and I don't seem to find anything when I use all > collections. I tried a rootsweb email list and it seems what I need > isn't active anymore and I've had no luck on Family Search. > I am looking specifically at the West Flanders area, do any of you > have any suggestions. > > TIA > Teri > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, > and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word > UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, > and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word > UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Netherlands GenealogieOnline is on Ancestry and includes Belgium also. On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 11:59:14 -0600, Teri Cleaveland wrote: I am working on some Belgium/Flemish families. Ancestry doesn't have a Belgium collection and I don't seem to find anything when I use all collections. I tried a rootsweb email list and it seems what I need isn't active anymore and I've had no luck on Family Search. I am looking specifically at the West Flanders area, do any of you have any suggestions. TIA Teri _______________________________________________ Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Have you tried Familysearch.org? I know we found some somewhere.  I'll check with my daughter.  Also try GenealogieOnline.  Lots of info there but hard to find what you want. Good luck. On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 11:59:14 -0600, Teri Cleaveland wrote: I am working on some Belgium/Flemish families. Ancestry doesn't have a Belgium collection and I don't seem to find anything when I use all collections. I tried a rootsweb email list and it seems what I need isn't active anymore and I've had no luck on Family Search. I am looking specifically at the West Flanders area, do any of you have any suggestions. TIA Teri _______________________________________________ Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community  

Hi Teri Try the message boards: Localities > Western Europe > Belgium <https://www.ancestry.co.uk/boards/localities.weurope.belgium/mb.ashx> Good luck! Lynne Teri Cleaveland <bunnypurple51@gmail.com> wrote: > >I am working on some Belgium/Flemish families. Ancestry doesn't have a >Belgium collection and I don't seem to find anything when I use all >collections. I tried a rootsweb email list and it seems what I need >isn't active anymore and I've had no luck on Family Search. >I am looking specifically at the West Flanders area, do any of you >have any suggestions. > >TIA >Teri

Hi again Teri, : if you type 'west flanders genealogy records' into Google, you will get some results On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 6:21 PM Penny Trueman <maudtrueman@gmail.com> wrote: > Teri, I researched in that area some years back but off the top of my head > I can't recall how I got to it. Will have a think and a search. Hopefully > someone more up to date will know! > Best wishes, Penny > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 6:00 PM Teri Cleaveland <bunnypurple51@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I am working on some Belgium/Flemish families. Ancestry doesn't have a >> Belgium collection and I don't seem to find anything when I use all >> collections. I tried a rootsweb email list and it seems what I need >> isn't active anymore and I've had no luck on Family Search. >> I am looking specifically at the West Flanders area, do any of you >> have any suggestions. >> >> TIA >> Teri >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. >> >> GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/ >> >> Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, >> links, and information. >> >> To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word >> UNSUBSCRIBE >> in both the subject and body of the message to >> lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >

Teri, I researched in that area some years back but off the top of my head I can't recall how I got to it. Will have a think and a search. Hopefully someone more up to date will know! Best wishes, Penny On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 6:00 PM Teri Cleaveland <bunnypurple51@gmail.com> wrote: > I am working on some Belgium/Flemish families. Ancestry doesn't have a > Belgium collection and I don't seem to find anything when I use all > collections. I tried a rootsweb email list and it seems what I need > isn't active anymore and I've had no luck on Family Search. > I am looking specifically at the West Flanders area, do any of you > have any suggestions. > > TIA > Teri > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, > and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word > UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

I am working on some Belgium/Flemish families. Ancestry doesn't have a Belgium collection and I don't seem to find anything when I use all collections. I tried a rootsweb email list and it seems what I need isn't active anymore and I've had no luck on Family Search. I am looking specifically at the West Flanders area, do any of you have any suggestions. TIA Teri

The lowest class of passenger had to cook (and supply?) their own food. Can't remember if there were pans etc. on the ship. Conditions were tough, lavatories were on deck but could not be used in bad weather. So they had to resort to buckets etc.! I had not heard before but it says that sailors like the spillage of the effluent from below because it showed that the hull was not leaking seawater! Another book worth reading if you can get through your library is this one. Most is about various Welsh people who went to America but there is one chapter with advice for migrants on travelling across the country to the West coast, which railway line to use, tickets etc. The book was originally in Welsh but a translation was published in the US a few years ago. Hanes Cymry America (1872) Great Plains Welsh Heritage Project ISBN 9780979507625 Martin Briscoe Fort William -----Original Message----- From: N NASH [mailto:nnash@shaw.ca] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 9:27 PM To: martin@mbriscoe.me.uk; lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAN] Re: What did passengers in Liverpool England do while they waited to sail to the USA in the 1800's I didn’t know about stores specifically supplying necessities for the voyage. One university has a paper on how the Germans from Russia got to Libau and Bremen but little on the travel and conditions while in England.

Thanks Martin. Your input is appreciated plus my relatives from Lancashire were mainly mariners so I look forward to leaning more of the conditions they sailed under. I just read the website and will contact my local library for the book. Now if only my Russian grandparents knew my Lancashire relatives in the 20th century. I didn’t know about stores specifically supplying necessities for the voyage. One university has a paper on how the Germans from Russia got to Libau and Bremen but little on the travel and conditions while in England. Noreen Ulverston Lancashire relatives: Pernie, Anyon, Ireland, Charnley, Hunter, Wood, Leishman > On Mar 25, 2019, at 1:29 PM, Martin Briscoe (W10 laptop) <list@mbriscoe.me.uk> wrote: > > Not quite the question but there is a section in this book that tells quite a bit about migrants in the 1850s. > > After the first dismasting, the ANNIE JANE returned to Liverpool. The passengers then got an allowance to cover their living and lodging costs. I seem to remember there were lodging house that specialised in providing accommodation for emigrants and also there were places where they could buy supplies for the journey. The better off did not want to sail on the ship so rebooked at their own expense on other ships but most could not afford that and could not get a refund so had to sail again on the ANNIE JANE and most drowned. > > There is even a Lancashire aspect with a story about the Minister of Blackrod church and his encounter with a young Irish girl who he got pregnant! > > The Wreck Of The 'Annie Jane' > ISBN 9780861524129 > > http://www.anniejane.net/ > > Worth seeing if you can get hold of a copy through your local library. > > > > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch

Thanks Mike. The library would certainly be an obvious “go to” that didn’t occur to me in Victoria. Will try them. Noreen > On Mar 25, 2019, at 1:04 PM, Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> wrote: > > Hello Noreen, > I wish I could be of some help but this type query has never cropped up in my research. Hopefully a list member might be able to help you. Have you looked on the internet for the main library in Liverpool. Send them an email with this question. I would think they would be the best for this type record. Failing that I have known the libraries in other cities. To give information as to where you need apply. > > Liverpool Libraries and Archives > 3rd Floor Central Library > William Brown Street > Liverpool, Lancashire L3 8EW UK > Telephone: 0151 233 3069 > Email: archives@liverpool.gov.uk > Website: Archives and Family History > > Kind regards, > > Mike Morris > > Toronto Canada > > On ‎Monday‎, ‎March‎ ‎25‎, ‎2019‎ ‎02‎:‎44‎:‎57‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT, N NASH <nnash@shaw.ca> wrote: > > Since the list is quiet I have a query that covers a few counties but ends up in Lancashire. > My grandparents, Edmund and Maria Dirks plus children Paul and Frederick, left Russia via Libau for Hull or Grimsby then travelled to Liverpool in 1904. I have been trying, for more years than I care to admit, to figure out what happened in Liverpool while they were waiting for the Carpathia to sail. <snip> > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community