This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: georgielin89 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/3261.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: few yrs late...but Mary Ellen "Frodsham." is obviously a relative of mine from the 1890's.....My Grandmother of the same name Mary Ellen Worden Frodsham ... and she must of been cousins ...from the same area in the UK...town of Frodsham and Preston. My Mary Ellen Worden Frodsham came to Canada in 1911....and had a huge family here.. and a ton of them are in Ottawa, Ontario right around where you live....so you are not alone. Just look up the name Frodsham and you have family...even if distant. And since Mary Ellen Worden Frodsham and John Frodsham had 9 children and all them had families there are even more . If you want to contact me pls do so. My Mary Ellen was an only child.....so she was easy to find in the books. Not so her husband john frodsham and others whose names keep repeating themselves and it gets confusing. I am at classiclin23@hotmail.com ...Georgie Lin (Frodsham) Schneider Names change...and that makes it more difficult. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

Hi Ann Thanks very much for your message. Consider posting on the Lancashire message board (http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/mb.ashx) about the picture and attaching a copy of the file to your post. Then we can all take a look and perhaps provide some more clues. Kind regards, Lynne Ann Pilon <pann4arva@hotmail.com> wrote: >Happy Mother's Day from Canada > >My grandmother, Emily Savage, was born 1892 in Ashton-in-Makerfield. Her parents were Adolphus and Ada Jackson Savage. I have been able to trace her family back to 1684 with help from this list and distant relatives met online. > >My mother remembers her mother saying it was the hardest thing she had ever done, leaving Lancashire for Canada in 1927. I have the trunk she came over with. > >One of the items she brought with her was a picture I believe was taken in Ashton-in-Makerfield - sometime between 1910-1915. In this picture there are approx. 60-70 children. The majority which are girls are all dressed in light coloured dresses and are all holding bouquets of flowers. One of the girls is wearing a crown. There are 2 ministers in the back of the group plus a few women. Behind them is a building. I have no names for any of these people (only my grandmother) but am willing to share the picture in hopes that someone would be able to find a relative (plus tell me if my grandmother's 2 brothers are in the picture and where and when the picture was taken). > >Ann

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mi2early Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52702.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: "I cannot understand why these records are not on Ancestry nor on Lancashire Parish Clerk Many other churchs in the immediate area are. " Perhaps because the hard working, unpaid volunteer transcribers have not got to them yet. If you'd like to pitch in and help, see http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ for volunteer opportunities. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Orlando_Littlemoss Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52704.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Death: Death month: July Death year: 1835 Birth month: Birth year: Age: 35 Forenames: HARRIETT Surname: GARBUTT Qualification: OS Grid Ref: SJ= Place: STOCKPORT (Edgeley) Description: WESLEYAN METHODIST County: Cheshire Country: England Grave No: F. 16 Fiche: 36 Record source: N Cheshire Memorial Inscriptions Data provider: North Cheshire Family History Society. Re-Marriage: Forenames: Robert Surname: Garbutt Marriage Date: 29 Nov 1835 Marriage Year: 1835 Age: Record Group: Part 1 - 1 Ref ID: item 4 p 328 Spouse's Forenames: Elizabeth Spouse's Surname: Gimson Spouse's Age: Spouse's Father's Name: Parish: St. Mary City / Town: Stockport County: Cheshire Record source: Diocese of Chester parish registers of Marriages c1538-1910 Data provider: Cheshire Archives and Local Studies. 1841 Census: RG number: HO107 Piece: 99 Book/Folio: 9/5 Page: 18 Reg. District: Stockport Sub District: Cheadle Parish: Cheadle Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Fletcher's Farm, Cheadle, Cheadle Bulkeley County: Cheshire Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born GARBUT, Robert M 35 1806 GARBUT, Elizabeth F 35 1806 GARBUT, James M 15 1826 Cheshire GARBUT, Robert M 13 1828 Cheshire GARBUT, William M 11 1830 Cheshire GARBUT, Elizabeth F 8 1833 Cheshire GARBUT, Elijah M 6 1835 Cheshire. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: norman1913 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52704/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My great great grandmother was born Elizabeth Garbutt, and married Augustine Marsden. She was born in 1833 in Cheadle Bulkeley. I'm trying to trace her family back. I've found that her father was born in Reeth, Arkengarthdale in Yorkshire in 1800, and in the 1851 and 1861 censuses his wife's name was Elizabeth. However the only record I can find of a Robert Garbutt having the children named on the censuses was with a wife named Harriet (or Harriott), so presumably she died and he re-married. I'd love to be able to go further back than this, so if anyone can help I'd be grateful. The 1841 census would be fantastic, but I can't find it. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ClDunne27 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52702.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is an option, I have done this many times before and have considered it. But I want to ensure that this is the William I have been following as there are so many William Holts! I know my Williams birth year, occupation and address, if it states these in some form on the church marriage record I know that it is definitely my William and can purchase the marriage cert. However if I purchase a marriage certificate blind and the name of his father is not on it or it is not my William I would have wasted £20! The only way for me to be partly sure that it is the William is to find the parish records relating to this marriage. Thus was hoping that if per chance a local enthusiast were visiting Rawtenstall Library in Lancashire or looking in the Manchester Central Archives for their own research then they would kindly have a quick look for this marriage for me. I cannot understand why these records are not on Ancestry nor on Lancashire Parish Clerk Many other churchs in the immediate area are. Many thanks anyway Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: seemex Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52700.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Antony, Well, again you've come up with something that was right in front of me and I didn't know it. The "Catherine Coutes" name, is one I have never heard of before, and yet there it is. There is nobody who could have known that info here in Canada except my mother, who was the daughter of Tobias Hunter and would have given the information to the authorities when he passed away. It's possible that he could also have had a birth certificate that we were unaware of. In any case, this brings up new roads to explore. In 1887 when William Leyland Hunter married Ellen Johnston, and the year of the birth of a daughter Evelyn ( Eveline) Ellen Hunter, my grandfather would have been 10. He told me that he was left to fend for the family at a very young age and began work for Jardine Matheson at 14 or 15 years of age. His brother George would have been three years older but his sister May would have been only 8 so they would have had a struggle. He told me he was passed over for many promotions because he was considered a "local boy" having been born in HK. The company favored those born in the UK proper, even though he was British, the "born in HK" stigma was difficult to get past. It was this that finally caused him to leave JM and move the family up to Shanghai, where he prospered until the Japanese occupation. I now have an idea that my grandfather knew not only the whereabouts of his father, but also of the later children by Ellen Johnston. It may also explain why he would have taken his two daughters to the gravesite in Tooting. I had assumed that the "Eleanor Hunter" on the stone was his mother, but obviously not. I would have thought there may be no love lost between his and his father, which is why I assumed it was his mother that drew him to make the visit. More questions! There is reference by my GF Tobias, of an Ellen Hunter of Hong Kong, having passed away in 1944. The paragraph writtten in a letter dated in 1946 ended with the sentiment "poor girl" so I am thinking that he may have been referring to Evelyn Ellen Hunter. She may have gone out to the far east as she may have had some connections there due to her father's dealings. Seems every mystery solved, produces a new set of puzzles to work on. Many thanks for all your help. Brian Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: neilr127 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52683.5.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you. I will make sure to look at or order the original. Neil Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

I am renewing my research of the surname BERRY in the Roeburndale and Wray area of Lancashire near Melling. I'm looking for information on the following BERRYs and their wives. Richard BERRY born in 1821 who married Margaret CLARKSON in 1848 John BERRY born in 1775 who married Mary DILWORTH or possibly Mary HOWSON in 1802 Thomas BERRY born in 1733 who married Grace SHARPLES in 1761 Paul BERRY who died in 1784 and had married Anne PHILIPSON in 1730 Thomas BERRY who died in 1724 and had married Elizabeth ROBERTSON in 1679 John BERRY who died in 1682 and had married a lady by the given name of Margaret. All the information I have accumulated on these names to date seems to come from the geographical area of Lancashire around Roeburndale and Wray. Thanks for your help. Darrel Walker Minnesota, USA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AntonyMarr Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52700.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: These posts are getting a bit confusing, but I think you're family is pretty straightforward: William Leyland HUNTER is baptised in Manchester 15/12/1844 - son of John Hunter a tea merchant and his wife Alice. John HUNTER having married Alice SOUTHAM in 1839. He had at least 2 brothers - Edward Southam HUNTER (1842) and Samuel Southam HUNTER (1848) The family don't seem to be on UK census after that, so maybe they are in Hong Kong. Tobias Hunter is born in Hong Kong on 18th Sept 1877 - on his death record in British Columbia in 1970, his parents are named as William Leyland HUNTER , a tea dealer born in Manchester and Catherine COUTES, born in Hong Kong. There is no marriage record for William and Catherine in the UK, so they may have married in Hong Kong. William Leyland HUNTER married Ellen JOHNSTON in London (Holborn) in 1887. Ellen/Helen & Eleanor are often interchangeable names. Ellen was born about 1855 in Carlisle. The marriage certificate will see whether William describes himself as a widower (if he claimed Catherine had died). 2 more children arrive - Evelyn Ellen HUNTER in 1887, and William Lethbridge HUNTER in 1891. In the 1891 census the family (William, Ellen & 2 young children) are living in Bloomsbury, London - he is described as a China Dealer. There is no sign of his other children (did he leave them and their mother ? behind in Hong Kong) In 1893 William Leyland HUNTER goes bankrupt - with debts of £7,306 and assets of only £40. He is described (in The Times newspaper) as a commission merchant dealing in tea. William Leyland HUNTER dies on 8th March 1894 in Tooting , London and leaves his wife Ellen £18. In 1901 & 1911 Ellen HUNTER, a widow, is a lodging/boarding house keeper in Bloomsbury. She dies in 1924, and her death is registered (in the name Eleanor) by her son William Lethbridge HUNTER. I hope that helps sort things out. Antony Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dvdwmore Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52702.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Greetings, You will have to purchase the marriage certificate to get any further information. Information regarding purchase of certificate and the reference numbers required is on lancashirebmd.org.uk hth David Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: brynsw19 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52703.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you Antony. As you rightly say, why would she be baptised in Blackburn? A silly mistake on my part. Thank you for your reply. If you see the next post from Caroline, and my reply, you will see that all is now ok. Caroline pointed me towards the correct Heys family. Many thanks. Bryn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: brynsw19 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52703.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you Caroline. I am so grateful for the info and also for the intoduction to the LancashireBMD site. It will no doubt prove useful in the future. I have followed up all the leads you gave me and yes, everything slots into place. I dont know why I got misled by the Blackburn Baptism. Such a silly mistake. Hopefully I will learn from the mistake. Once again, many thanks for your time and trouble. Bryn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AntonyMarr Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52683.5.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I would use a reference something like: General Register Office, England & Wales Marriage Index , Chorlton,Oct-Dec 1875 Vol 8c p1010 But bear in mind: 1) This is only a reference in an index, not the marriage entry itself - to see the details you need to get a copy of the actual marriage certificate and; 2) Without checking that certificate there is no real evidence that this entry is related to your family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

Hi Michael,Familysearch has a Christening of a Margaret Bamber 14 May 1826 at Manchester Cathedral, dau. of William and Margaret Bamber, also Elizabeth Bamber Chr 4 June 1820 and Mary Ann Bamber Chr 29 Sept 1829 parents Wiliam & Margaret,plus Marriage :William Bamber and Margaret Smith 7 April 1817 all at Manchester Cathedral. HTH. Anne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: neilr127 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52683.6.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: None of these other Morgan are related to me- Only George and Adolphus. And thank you, James for your help. What is the full citation for the source of Catharine Edward's baptism (does it give her nativity), and George and Mary Elderkin's marriage? I am an amateur, but a careful one. ;) With much much thanks, Neil Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: neilr127 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52683.5.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for this correction. What is the full citation for the source? I am an amateur but a careful one. ;) With much thanks, Neil Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: whitesfan1930 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52683.6/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi Neil Re Catherine Edwards Baptism at St George church Manchester 1871. Age at marriage would be 22 or 23 Re the Morgan families living in Chorlton On Medlock,, I have a list of Children s births from 1902 to 1920 Joseph 1902 William 1903 Charles W H 1904 Mary 1905 Fred1906 James 1910, Winifred 1910, Annie 1910 Edward 1911 Edith 1912, Florence 1912,,Isabel1912, William 1912 Thomas 1920 this might be able for you to find parents? good luck James Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ClDunne27 Surnames: Holt Hoyle Classification: lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52702/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, I am looking for any information on a marriage between William Holt and Mary Hoyle at St Mary's Rawtenstall in 1858. Can't seem to find online marriage records for St Mary's Rawtenstall. If anyone is popping over to Rawtenstall Library or is in Manchester Central Library can you please have a quick look. (I'm from the area but live in Ireland so physical look up is not an option). This was William's second marriage I am hoping to find out the name of his father and the name of Marys. Any help is much appreciated. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

Hello, Can anyone help block my BAMBER logjam? I need further information on Margaret BAMBER, probably b. Manchester. She was married to Michael DOWNS (b. Dublin) at Manchester Cathedral on 26 May 1849. According to her marriage certificate, her father was William BAMBER, a soap maker. Her address is given as 7 Fair Street Ancoats and Michael's was Chapel Street, Ancoats. If age on certificate is correct, she was born 1824/5. She and Michael had at least 4 children: Joseph, Maria, Margaret, Elizabeth. All help/leads gratefully accepted. Thank you. Michael Green