Hi, I did find George Senior in the 1911 census living at 5 Greggs Gardens, in Darwen, Lancashire. It looks like he was 'not well' and his wife filled the census form in and made a right pigs ear of it. She put down her previous name, said she was a widow, spelt George's name wrong and generally mucked it up. It was only by pure luck that I found it. George Jnr was a school boy in the 1911 census and there was no occupation given on the emigration records. I wondered if he was one of the British Home Children who were sent overseas to make a new life. I can't understand why he was in the Industrial School as he was the youngest of 8 living children, 6 others died as babies. The family seem to have been fragmented when Elizabeth died, they were scattered all around in Lancashire so may not have known that young George needed help. George Snr died in the Workhouse. He was an older father as he was 53 when young George died. Thank you for your interest, I may never find out what happened to him, I just find it so sad that he has disappeared. Best wishes Pauline

There is a petition to make historic BMD registers for England & Wales available online Only UK residents and UK citizens can sign the petition. You'll find the petition here. http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/62779 Can you sign if you are interested to enable the required target to be reached thanks Julie

While the list is quiet I thought I would put my brick wall up and see if anyone can help knock it down. My Great Uncle George Hansell was born in Darwen in 1897. His parents were Elizabeth Hansell nee Whittle and George Ansell / Hansell Elizabeth died in 1902 and George Snr married in 1910 to a Mary Wild and he died in 1918. In the 1911 census, George Jnr was in Lostock Industrial School, I can't find out why. I have found a George Hansell leaving Liverpool in 1913 and arriving in Quebec, Canada. I found a George Hansell in the medal records for Gt Britain for WW1. The name was originally Ansell from Stevenage in Herts but became Hansell in Lancashire. When George and Elizabeth had children, it depended on who registered them as to what the spelling of the surname was. If George registered the child it was Ansell and if Elizabeth registered it, the name was Hansell. Any help or observations would be appreciated. Best wishes, Pauline in Darwen, Lancs

Plenty of ARMITAGE names and not only in Manchester. My ancestors were it seems mainly Presbyterian in the 18-19th century and some had children baptised at the Dob Lane Church, Failsworth i.e. CYRUS ARMITAGE and wife SARAH OGDEN (3rd GGrandparents). Others in Manchester i.e. ELKANAH ARMITAGE.....and more....shall have to devote some serious time just looking at the original pages. I have most of what I've found, but from other sources, so there's nothing like an original entry to stir the FH juices once more. Cheers, Robyn -----Original Message----- From: Lynne [mailto:lklein@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, 18 April 2014 10:35 AM To: Robyn Clarke; lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [LAN] Manchester nonconformist records on web I'll keep my fingers crossed for you, Robyn! Kind regards, Lynne Robyn Clarke <rsclarke@bigpond.com> wrote: > >Thank You Lynne, most interesting......I may at last find some of my ARMITAGE lot in amongst the listings..... > >Cheers, >Robyn >

Thank You Lynne, most interesting......I may at last find some of my ARMITAGE lot in amongst the listings..... Cheers, Robyn -----Original Message----- From: lancsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lancsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Friday, 18 April 2014 6:01 AM Subject: [LAN] Manchester nonconformist records on web >From Who Do You Think You Are: "Researchers with Mancunian roots could discover religious dissenters in their family tree following the release of 400,000 nonconformist records online "The release offers information about Mancunians from a variety of different faiths – including its large Quaker population. This 19th-century illustration depicts poor families visiting a soup kitchen run by the Society of Friends at one of the city’s cotton mills (Credit: Alamy) "A collection of nearly 400,000 Manchester nonconformist records has been uploaded to the web. "Available at Ancestry.co.uk, the fully searchable record set provides details of births, baptisms, marriages, deaths and burials in the city as far back as 1758. "Covering religious groups such as Methodists, Baptists and Quakers, the records offer information about locals who refused to join the Church of England and held on to their beliefs – sometimes at great risk to their lives. "Although an 1812 Act of Parliament brought in standardised forms for recording baptisms, marriages and burials, this did not apply to those belonging to nonconformist faiths. Instead, they continued to keep their own separate registers, often noting down more information than their Anglican counterparts. "A number of famous names feature in the tranche, including Marks & Spencer co-founder Michael Marks, a Belarusian Jew who emigrated to England in the late-19th century. "After setting up his business empire with Thomas Spencer, Marks died aged 47 and is shown to have been buried at Crumpsall Jewish Cemetery on 2 January 1908. "As well as listing his name and date of burial, the register (below) also notes the entrepreneur’s place of death and the exact location of his grave. " Miriam Silverman, Ancestry.co.uk’s Senior Content Manager, said: “These records are a historic reminder of a time in this country when those with different beliefs were often marked out as different and persecuted. “'The collection also provides local Manchester residents the opportunity to get online and find out if their ancestors were among the many thousands of people who did not bow to the authority of the established faith.' "The records were added to Ancestry.co.uk following digitisation projects in partnership with a number of archives across the region. "However, a significant proportion of the original documents reside at the brand new Archives+ centre at Manchester Central Library, which reopened its doors to the public in March following a £50 million revamp. "Incorporating Manchester Archives & Local Studies and the former Greater Manchester County Record Office, Archives+ also provides space for the Manchester & Lancashire Family History Society (M&LFHS), which operates a free helpdesk and holds regular lectures at the centre. "Speaking to Who Do You Think You Are? Magazine earlier this week, John Marsden of M&LFHS said he hoped that the Ancestry.co.uk release would encourage more people to trace their Manchester forebears. "'It is easy to fail to spot nonconformist ancestors, particularly after the introduction of civil registration in 1837, when many researchers rely on birth certificates rather than looking for baptisms,' he explained. "'It is also common for people who fail to find a baptism or burial in the local Anglican church registers to think that this means the family was not in the parish at the time. "'Although many of these records have been widely available locally and some online, the opening up of such a large collection on one of the most popular family history websites should be of considerable help to those with nonconformist roots in the city.'" Nice to see a friend quoted by Who Do You Think You Are. Also nice to find some BUSKEYs lurking within the nonconformist records. Happy searching! Lynne :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have spent a very happy last few days going through these records as I have been desperate to see them and not managed a trip up to Manchester to see them 'in situ' so to speak. I have come to the conclusion though that my husband's family (HALL) kept the Moston Methodist churches going - on one of the baptism images 5 out of 8 are relations! Fiona

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: andrewjameson44 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52720.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: thank you for that, i was looking for the name of a clothes factory in 1920 in Wigan due to him been an assistant manager Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you, Robyn! Kind regards, Lynne Robyn Clarke <rsclarke@bigpond.com> wrote: > >Thank You Lynne, most interesting......I may at last find some of my ARMITAGE lot in amongst the listings..... > >Cheers, >Robyn >

>From Who Do You Think You Are: "Researchers with Mancunian roots could discover religious dissenters in their family tree following the release of 400,000 nonconformist records online "The release offers information about Mancunians from a variety of different faiths – including its large Quaker population. This 19th-century illustration depicts poor families visiting a soup kitchen run by the Society of Friends at one of the city’s cotton mills (Credit: Alamy) "A collection of nearly 400,000 Manchester nonconformist records has been uploaded to the web. "Available at Ancestry.co.uk, the fully searchable record set provides details of births, baptisms, marriages, deaths and burials in the city as far back as 1758. "Covering religious groups such as Methodists, Baptists and Quakers, the records offer information about locals who refused to join the Church of England and held on to their beliefs – sometimes at great risk to their lives. "Although an 1812 Act of Parliament brought in standardised forms for recording baptisms, marriages and burials, this did not apply to those belonging to nonconformist faiths. Instead, they continued to keep their own separate registers, often noting down more information than their Anglican counterparts. "A number of famous names feature in the tranche, including Marks & Spencer co-founder Michael Marks, a Belarusian Jew who emigrated to England in the late-19th century. "After setting up his business empire with Thomas Spencer, Marks died aged 47 and is shown to have been buried at Crumpsall Jewish Cemetery on 2 January 1908. "As well as listing his name and date of burial, the register (below) also notes the entrepreneur’s place of death and the exact location of his grave. " Miriam Silverman, Ancestry.co.uk’s Senior Content Manager, said: “These records are a historic reminder of a time in this country when those with different beliefs were often marked out as different and persecuted. “'The collection also provides local Manchester residents the opportunity to get online and find out if their ancestors were among the many thousands of people who did not bow to the authority of the established faith.' "The records were added to Ancestry.co.uk following digitisation projects in partnership with a number of archives across the region. "However, a significant proportion of the original documents reside at the brand new Archives+ centre at Manchester Central Library, which reopened its doors to the public in March following a £50 million revamp. "Incorporating Manchester Archives & Local Studies and the former Greater Manchester County Record Office, Archives+ also provides space for the Manchester & Lancashire Family History Society (M&LFHS), which operates a free helpdesk and holds regular lectures at the centre. "Speaking to Who Do You Think You Are? Magazine earlier this week, John Marsden of M&LFHS said he hoped that the Ancestry.co.uk release would encourage more people to trace their Manchester forebears. "'It is easy to fail to spot nonconformist ancestors, particularly after the introduction of civil registration in 1837, when many researchers rely on birth certificates rather than looking for baptisms,' he explained. "'It is also common for people who fail to find a baptism or burial in the local Anglican church registers to think that this means the family was not in the parish at the time. "'Although many of these records have been widely available locally and some online, the opening up of such a large collection on one of the most popular family history websites should be of considerable help to those with nonconformist roots in the city.'" Nice to see a friend quoted by Who Do You Think You Are. Also nice to find some BUSKEYs lurking within the nonconformist records. Happy searching! Lynne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pollyhodkinson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52721.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Could it be Ossie short for Oswaldthwistle in Lancashire ? Best wishes, Pauline Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: butterworth_oz Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52721.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Damn it!! you've got me curious too! However, rather than miss further possible responses, perhaps give some extra details??? Like the NAME of the Person Concerned, and a SOURCE of the 'Osser' location you have referenced? Many might find the record [possible source: FMP Military Recs?] and review the info, and use some of the clues to piece together the real message?? Good Luck! Peter Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: andreakkk Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52514.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Dear Paul, Many thanks for that info - I was bobbing around on my day saver only yesterday to leigh church/leigh cemetry back to bolton and hopped off the 540 -to the church ( so it was such a conicidence that you should message me this morning - maybe its a 'sign' from the powers above) I was happy to see the church still there and althougth ised as housing still the graves undisturbed (sadly my gr gr grandads wasnt there) i too took pictures yesterday (to put on find a grave) about 8 gravestones (i think) so as you said maybe they didnt have enough money for the headstones (i had the same issue yesteray too as foubnd 4th gr grandad buried in common ground at legih cemetry despite my having the plot reference number from the library fiche) Having found some other side of the family buried in big tombs (Scowcrofts) as they had money and i think that i had a great uncle Scowcroft who actually paid some money towards Emmanul church being built - not too disappponted as sometimes we have good days and find them and sometimes not so good days (im a grave stone addict) I did manage to get the burial info from the parish registers , I have put many of these on find a grave.com again thanks for the info its much appreciated Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: shazrogers2 Surnames: rogers Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52723/mb.ashx Message Board Post: i am trying to find any records of ann rogers my dads sister he is john michael rogers i last heard she was running public house in blackpool but that was around 1993 i dont no her dob or if she married ,also john michael rogers my father i do not no his wereabouts or if any are deceased i no they must be born around 1955 but i think in ireland there father is michael rogers Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lawust1 Surnames: White,Nicolson,Corbert,Manton Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52722/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Frances White married a David Nicolson in Tarnagulla,Victoria,Australia in 1865. On the wedding certificate,Frances or Fanny states she is the daughter of Thomas White & Fanny Corbert of Salford,Manchester & born about 1844. On her death certificate,the parents mentioned are John White & Mary Manton,and that she was born in Cashel,Ireland around 1839.Although there are alot of conflicting facts,I am confident that this is the same woman,my great grandmother. Does anyone have any information that can shed further light onto this mystery. Frances,apparently came to Australia in 1864,aboard the Lightning which left Southampton. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: postmaster342 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52514.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I've just seen your message and the replies, so I don't know whether you have managed a visit to Emmanuel between October and now. The old church (built 1839, closed in 1990) is still there but was converted into housing association flats. The exterior is pretty much as it always was. the new church (Emmanuel Church Centre) is across Vicarage Street and is still going as part of the West Bolton Parish. There are some gravestones in the churchyard, but the parish was in a poor area and most people couldn't afford gravestones, so that, I believe, is why there are only a few. Before the church closed I took photos of those that were there. The west end of the churchyard was used as the site for a new vicarage about the time of the closure. but, as far as I can remember, there were no gravestones in that section. Almost all the burials took place between 1842 and 1880; after that parishioners were buried in the municipal cemetery at Heaton. You can get there by bus along ! Wigan Road/Deane Road or St Helen's Road then walk along Cannon Street. The used Parish Registers are in Manchester Diocesan Archive at Manchester central Library (just re-opened) and some are being transcribed by Lancashire OPC. Bolton Local History Library has microfilms of Emmanuel School records and possibly of some Parish Registers. Paul Dyson (formerly Churchwarden) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

Hello all Many thanks to those of you who contributed to the Mothering Day theme. I enjoyed reading all of the posts and was touched by many of them. Finding female ancestors can be hard. Here are a few sites with some helpful hints: ~ Best Records for Finding Female Ancestors at http://tinyurl.com/2wz6mca ~ Finding Your Female Ancestor in the Newspaper at http://tinyurl.com/m77l35r ~ Invisible Women Ancestors. How to Research the Women in Your Family Tree at http://tinyurl.com/kygngb5 If anyone has any helpful hints on tracking down female ancestors or can point us to any website, please let us know. Kind regards, Lynne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: henrywalsh1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52720.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, freebmd has a birth Sept Q 1890 Carlisle,1901 Census, David R age 10 is with parents Robert and Mary brothers John 23, Robert 20, Richard 15 living at 4 Hasell* St Botchergate Carlisle, 1911 Census same address (Hassell)* Parents, David and brother Richard. * spellings as census. Hope this is what you are looking for. Anne Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: robmoff Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52721.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Could this be OSSETT? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: iramsbottom Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52721/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a military record which states the date of birth was 1746 in Lancashire and the parish and town were Osser. I can't find it. Has it changed? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: andrewjameson44 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52720/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I found a marriage for a David Richardson Bulman in 1920, he is an assistant manager for a clothes factory, can any one tell me where I could find information? He lived at 40 Hodges street Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>