Pauline, Following this couple – I can’t find any children born to Irene and George, but found these other details….just in case. IRENE STEWART St. Matthews, Manchester: Born April 5th 1902, Bapt. 7th March 1906 Parents William and Elizabeth Stewart of 16 Beaufort St., Occup. Blacksmith…….possible parents. In 1911 Irene is the only surviving daughter of the above at the same address or 10 Beaufort St., father’s occup. Blacksmith. One child deceased. Father born Glasgow, Scotland….Mother and daughter Winton, Lancashire Name:  Irene Ancell Birth:  4 Apr 1902 Death:  Jun 1981  - Trafford, Cheshire, England Possible Probate Notice: George Ancell of 17 Kingston Drive, Flixton Urmston, Lancashire died 2 May 1964 at Hope Hospital Salford. Administration Manchester 22 June to Lorene? Ancell, Widow……2,513 pounds. I could not find this George in a phone book..... I hope this has been helpful and not another false lead...... All the best, Robyn

Pauline, I am sending a page directly to you of a George Hansell who sailed to NY in 1913 from Liverpool- you can have a look at it, age given as 15 yrs., can't read occupation, perhaps you can. However, I wonder if this is the same fellow.......later in life.....Could he be yours? I could not find a George Ellis Ancell.....in my haste to send this. Marriage: 8 Oct 1927 St Andrew, Eccles, Lancashire, England George Ancell - 30, Turner, Bachelor, 3 Clifton Road Irene Stewart - 25, Spinster, 5 Willan Road Groom's Father: George Ellis Ancell, Machinist Bride's Father: William Stewart, deceased, Farrier Witness: Joseph Burbidge; Mary Ancell Married by Banns by: Alfred Bell Curate Register: Marriages 1920 - 1933, Page 143, Entry 285 Source: Original register held by MCL GEORGE ANCELL ARRIVED IN LIVERPOOL from New York 28 Sept. 1926 on the Cunard Line "Lacoonia?". He travelled 3rd Class Occup. Machineman - Proposed address in the UK 3 Clifton Road, Eccles, Manchester - Last Permanent Country USA....born England Aged 29 yrs. GEORGE E/C HANSELL sailed for New York on Cunard Line "Carmenia?" 19 April, 1913 from Liverpool. Given the age of 15 yrs., Occup. I can't determine....Country of Intended Future Residence ENGLAND. Country of Last Permanent Residence ENGLAND. Cheers, Robyn -----Original Message----- From: lancsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lancsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of phodkinson@aol.com Sent: Sunday, 20 April 2014 6:08 PM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAN] George Hansell (Ansell) Thank you Meg for your input. I did find Medal records for a George Hansell in WW1 but can't find any information which would say he was mine. I hope it was and I hope he had a happy life. He was my Grand mother's youngest brother and I know what happened to all the others. Grandma was living in Burnley in the 1911 census, Thanks again & best wishes, Pauline :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: overson12 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52726.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I notice that there is an Elizabeth Conway, 75, Ind, born outside census county, living next door to Martha Gray (m.s Conway) in 1841. Also in that household is a William Daniels aged 80, Ind, born outside census county. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lidiaOparker Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52727.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: thankyou. yes they are the children of Richard Knagg I do have a copy of his will which i wiil revisited and i do recall a william in it, thanks again Linda Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ggrannym Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52727.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Are these some of his children;s baptisms? Baptism: 30 Apr 1797 St Oswald, Warton Nr Lancaster, Lancashire, England Jane Knagg - Daughter of Richd Knagg & Margaret Born: 31 Mar 1797 Abode: Lyndeth Register: Baptisms 1745 - 1797, Page 90, Entry 7 Source: LDS Film 1849662, IGI - P005541 Baptism: 25 Aug 1799 St Helen, Garstang, Lancashire, England Susannah Knagg - Dau of Richd. Knagg & Margt. Abode: Garstang Occupation: Mole-catcher Register: Baptisms 1780 - 1800, Page 185, Entry 2 Source: LDS Film 1278886 Burial: 5 Nov 1800 St Helen, Garstang, Lancashire, England Susannah Knagg - Dau of Richd. Knagg Abode: Garstang Register: Burials 1780 - 1800, Page 189, Entry 8 Source: LDS Film 1278886 Burial: 17 May 1801 St Helen, Garstang, Lancashire, England Jane Knagg - Dau of Richard Knagg Abode: Garstang Register: Burials 1801 - 1812, Page 4, Entry 8 Source: LDS Film 1278886 Baptism: 18 Oct 1801 St Helen, Garstang, Lancashire, England Wm. Knagg - Son of Richd. Knagg & Margaret Abode: Garstang Occupation: Mole catcher Performed at: Garstang Chapel Register: Baptisms 1801 - 1812, Page 8, Entry 17 Source: LDS Film 1278886 Baptism: 6 Mar 1803 St Helen, Garstang, Lancashire, England Richd. Knagg - Son of Richd. Knagg & Margt. Born: 4 Feb 1803 Abode: Garstang Occupation: Mole taker Performed at: Garstang Chapel Register: Baptisms 1801 - 1812, Page 21, Entry 17 Source: LDS Film 1278886 Burial: 11 Dec 1803 St Helen, Garstang, Lancashire, England Richd. Knagg - Infant Son of Richd. Knagg Abode: Garstang Register: Burials 1801 - 1812, Page 22, Entry 12 Source: LDS Film 1278886 Baptism: 9 Dec 1804 St Helen, Garstang, Lancashire, England Richd. Knagge - Son of Richd. Knagge & Margt. Born: 4 Nov 1804 Abode: Garstang Occupation: Mole taker Performed at: Garstang Chapel Register: Baptisms 1801 - 1812, Page 34, Entry 10 Source: LDS Film 1278886 Burial: 6 Jan 1813 St Helen, Garstang, Lancashire, England Agnes Knagg - Dau of Richard Knagg Age: Infant Abode: Garstang Buried by: John Pedder Register: Burials 1813 - 1837, Page 1, Entry 2 Source: LDS Film 1278886 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lidiaOparker Surnames: Classification: birth Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52728/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Trying to find the birth of Mary Hind or Hinde about 1807 she married Richard Knagg in St Helens Garstang and her death was in Preston 1847, any help would be appreciated thanks Linda Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lidiaOparker Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52727/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Im trying to find the parents of Richard Knagg b1772 he married Margaret Yeates in Westmoreland in 1795 and his death was in garstand lancashire in1846. His occupation was a Molecatcher. Can any help me please Linda Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: marymason165 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52725.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Have a look at wiganworld.co.uk lots of photos on there. I live 10mins away from the former factory now apartments and Support Offices. The factory used to make clothes. Regards Mary Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

There was an inquiry a few days ago asking if anyone knew the actual location of this address --( I cannot really remember which site the request appeared in) I am Fleetwood born and bred and have never heard of this location. However, reading through some of my notes I did find a reference to it, with the bonus of a photograph of the street. If anyone is still interested please get in touch. Regards Peter in Auckland NZ

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Orlando_Littlemoss Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52726.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Marriage: Name: Matthias Gray Marriage Date: 20 Feb 1827 Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George Spouse's Name: Martha Conway Archive Roll: 697. Another pay to view site has a Mathias Gray as a ratepayer in Manchester at various properties in the time frame. So may well have been in the position to pay for young Mats schooling.. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MayhewBFC Surnames: Mayhew Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/38392.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi. My name is Nathan Mayhew from Blackpool. My grandfather was called John Mayhew, and his father was in the RAF originally from London. I have just stumbled across this post by chance and do apologise for replying to such an old post. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

The boys that I followed who went to war from our village seemed to have nobody and one even put his landlady down as his next of kin. All very sad but probably better than a life of crime and prison. I do hope your George had a happy life eventually. Meg Magdalen Galley-Taylor meg@taylor.it 01409 261804 -----Original Message----- From: lancsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lancsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of phodkinson@aol.com Sent: 20 April 2014 09:08 To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAN] George Hansell (Ansell) Thank you Meg for your input. I did find Medal records for a George Hansell in WW1 but can't find any information which would say he was mine. I hope it was and I hope he had a happy life. He was my Grand mother's youngest brother and I know what happened to all the others. Grandma was living in Burnley in the 1911 census, Thanks again & best wishes, Pauline :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Robyn Many thanks for the look up on George Hansell. I don't think the one marrying with father George Ellis Ancell is mine. His father never had a middle name. I will keep it on one side though, 'just in case'. I do have a George Hansell sailing for Quebec on 6th May 1913, trade, labourer. I have medal records for WW1 of George Hansell in the Border Regiment as a Private. This is a possibility as one of his brother in laws was in the Border Reg. Hope you are keeping well and thanks again, Pauline

Thank you Meg for your input. I did find Medal records for a George Hansell in WW1 but can't find any information which would say he was mine. I hope it was and I hope he had a happy life. He was my Grand mother's youngest brother and I know what happened to all the others. Grandma was living in Burnley in the 1911 census, Thanks again & best wishes, Pauline

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: warncoort1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52726.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: What document shows his place of birth as Manchester?You refer to "MKG",what is his second given name? I can not find baptisms for Mary,Margaret or Matthias here,http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/,,though there is an 1826 marriage of James Gray to Martha Taylor in Burnley but their children don't match. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: warncoort1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52722.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Frances has supplied the information on her marriage certificate;her son in law is the informant on death certificate and may not have actually known where she was born..Have you tried here, http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/ Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: elindelwolf Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52726/mb.ashx Message Board Post: B: 1828/29 in Manchester, Lancashire, England. D: March 23, 1887 in San Francisco, California, USA. Mother: Martha (Maiden name unknown) Father: Unknown (1841 census doesn't show him, and 1861 shows Martha as a widow) Siblings: Mary Gray (1832/33) and Margaret Gray (1835/1836). In the 1841 census there was a Margaret Gray, age 70 and from Ireland (paternal grandmother maybe?), but she doesn't show up in the 1851 census so I'm assuming she died. I checked Death records and found about 13 different Margaret Grays having died in the 10 years between the '41 and '51 census. So my question....my plead if you will is...does anyone have any suggestions for paths I can take? I know nothing about the father, nothing about MKG's mother's surname. I only know someone who could be his paternal grandmother. I'm at a loss and I've been particularly keen on tracing this line back. Or does anyone have any info on any of them? (I've attached a snapshot of his 'profile', if you will). I would greatly appreciate any direction or such on this. Thanks in advance. ~Luke Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: andrewjameson44 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52725/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Any information on this company trying to find out what try of clothing it done back in the 1920, David Richardson Bulman was "in charge of the examining department of Co-Mar clothing." Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

If my research on another Industrial School in Norfolk can be generalised, then boys were sent to such places if they had got themselves into trouble with the law. It was not quite a Borstall but came quite close and was designed to pull them up short and give them a trade whilst they were still young and malleable. Being the youngest of 8 may well have meant that nobody had time for him and if his father was ailing and his mother, or was she step-mother, not coping then he could well have ended up in one of these places. The lads I researched were trained as farm labourers and gardeners and were then sent off all over the country before they went on to enlist and frequently got themselves killed. All very sad like your George. Meg Galley-Taylor -----Original Message----- From: lancsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lancsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of phodkinson@aol.com Sent: 19 April 2014 14:46 To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAN] George Hansell (Ansell) Hi, I did find George Senior in the 1911 census living at 5 Greggs Gardens, in Darwen, Lancashire. It looks like he was 'not well' and his wife filled the census form in and made a right pigs ear of it. She put down her previous name, said she was a widow, spelt George's name wrong and generally mucked it up. It was only by pure luck that I found it. George Jnr was a school boy in the 1911 census and there was no occupation given on the emigration records. I wondered if he was one of the British Home Children who were sent overseas to make a new life. I can't understand why he was in the Industrial School as he was the youngest of 8 living children, 6 others died as babies. The family seem to have been fragmented when Elizabeth died, they were scattered all around in Lancashire so may not have known that young George needed help. George Snr died in the Workhouse. He was an older father as he was 53 when young George died. Thank you for your interest, I may never find out what happened to him, I just find it so sad that he has disappeared. Best wishes Pauline :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pauline, Did you find George senr in 1911? I can't. I just wondered what his occupation was at the time as he was a labourer in 1901. Children were sent to industrial schools usually to help them out of poverty or to improve chances of employment. I had one and assumed the parents had died but that wasn't the case. Also its possible that the new wife didn't wan the child around or they just couldn't afford to keep him - just a theory!. Does the occupation of the one leaving in 1913 match that of his that you know of? regards Juliet -----Original Message----- From: phodkinson@aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 11:35 AM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] George Hansell (Ansell) While the list is quiet I thought I would put my brick wall up and see if anyone can help knock it down. My Great Uncle George Hansell was born in Darwen in 1897. His parents were Elizabeth Hansell nee Whittle and George Ansell / Hansell Elizabeth died in 1902 and George Snr married in 1910 to a Mary Wild and he died in 1918. In the 1911 census, George Jnr was in Lostock Industrial School, I can't find out why. I have found a George Hansell leaving Liverpool in 1913 and arriving in Quebec, Canada. I found a George Hansell in the medal records for Gt Britain for WW1. The name was originally Ansell from Stevenage in Herts but became Hansell in Lancashire. When George and Elizabeth had children, it depended on who registered them as to what the spelling of the surname was. If George registered the child it was Ansell and if Elizabeth registered it, the name was Hansell. Any help or observations would be appreciated. Best wishes, Pauline in Darwen, Lancs :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message