This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52772.3.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Unfortunately official adoption only started in England in 1927, so if she was adopted before that it would be a private arrangement and there is unlikely to be paperwork Re the workhouse, often the workhouse infirmary was the only form of hospital facility open to many people, so she may have had a short stay Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RobinBMc Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52772.3.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Well, this isn't exactly Downton Abbey, not all servants lived in the house they worked in. But yes, it's possible the workhouse was just her temporary residence until she gave birth. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

"An historic connection between one of the world’s biggest businesses and the Merseyside family that founded it has come to an end. "After 129 years, consumer goods giant Unilever, which began life at Port Sunlight on the Wirral, has bought out the shares and rights of its founding Leverhulme family for hundreds of millions of pounds. "The owner of brands such as Persil and Flora has paid £715m to buy out the shares and other rights owned by family trusts created at the time of the death of company founder William Hesketh Lever. "Later known as the first Viscount Leverhulme, William Hesketh Lever died in 1925. About 30 of his descendants will share the payout, equivalent to an average of just under £24m." Full story: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/wirral-company-unilever-bought-out-7148086 or http://tinyurl.com/q8mjxj4 Any descendants of William Hesketh LEVER on the list? You may be rich! Unfortunately, I'm only related by marriage. Please do think of me when you go to collect your share of the profits. Lynne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: eddie71 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52772.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Could it be possible that Evelyn wasn't allowed to stick around after the baby was born, if she was a young single girl her parents may well have sent her off to the workhouse to have the baby and they could be the reason why Evelyn wasn't able to keep her, who raised your gran was it a family member or was she adopted, if she was adopted maybe there is a way to find out more from her adoption papers, who registered the birth on her certificate, a long shot i know but was it a workhouse attendant or someone Evelyn may have known , could be worth looking into Shelagh Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RobinBMc Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52772.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You're in a unique situation here because you don't know anything about Evelyn apart from her name, occupation, and where she was living and working in 1924. Normally, you find individuals on the census by matching other elements of their life, such as birth year, birth place, and family members names but unfortunately, you don't know any of that. I think your best bet is to find workhouse records to see if they will tell you more about Evelyn. If you can find her birth year, that would be a start for narrowing down the census records. The trouble you'll have with the census is that there is a significant enough gap between 1911 and 1924 that Evelyn may have been a child in 1911 and therefore you probably can't look for her as a domestic servant at the same address. The 1921 census might tell you more but of course you'll have to wait 7 years for that. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kimreeve Surnames: waldren Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52771.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks people, especially Lorraine. the Scottish marriage is definitely helpful. Regards Kim Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: railtond Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52773.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for your reply, Anthony. This enquiry is part of a project to remember all of the war dead of the parish of St James, Lower Darwen. As there are quite a few there is not full information on we will be waiting until we have a smaller list of outstanding queries before spending on certificates. David Railton Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: isobel_ash Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52772.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks a lot for your response. To answer your questions. No my nana hasn't passed. She knows nothing about her mum. Evelyn didn't stick around once she'd had her and my nana has no interest in knowing about her now and I respect her wishes Having said that I myself am still interested in finding her. I have the address that she was working at at the time so maybe I should try and find that in the census and see if the same family is still living there in 1924 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AntonyMarr Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52772.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Does anyone in the family know about Evelyn in later life ? Did she marry later (in which case a marriage certificate may give her age and father's name and help work out which one she is in 1911). Do you know when she died ? Again - a death certificate might (depending on when it was) have ore information to help. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AntonyMarr Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52773.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Have you got a copy of his Death Certificate ? That should clarify whether he was a soldier at the tie he died and/ or possibly a suicide. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dvdwmore Surnames: WALDREN Classification: death Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52771.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Greetings, Lancashirebmd has Aurthur Henry WALDREN passing at age 77 in 1965 at Middleton, registered at Oldham. Hmm, that's 1888. Coincidence? I think not... This is your man. hth David Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jamesriding38 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52773.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi re Edwin Hill death at the age of 32 buried in South Blackburn Darwen, do the think the S men't Suicide One of my Family Committed suicide 1920 after his Army service regards James. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: railtond Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52773/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am interested in making contact with anyone who is related to or knows of descendants of this family. The 1911 census shows George and Sarah Jane HILL living at 74, Haslingden Road, Blackburn with their children: Edwin, Thomas, Arthur, Beatrice, Harold and Fred. It is Edwin that I am particularly interested in. His birth was registered in 1886 at Macclesfield. He was buried at St James's church, Lower Darwen on 9th November 1918. His address at that time was given as 82, Haslingden Road. The burial register has an 'S' against the entry which, I am told, signified that he was a soldier. However, his name is not included on the church's war memorial and I cannot find a record of his death on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission web site which it would be if he was in the army. My interest is in finding if in fact he was in the army and if any descendants of the family are living. David Railton Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: andreakkk Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52772.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: A bit of a tricky one - Ok im assuming that your nana has passed away and so you cant ask ok In the first instance you may be able to get some records from the Manchester workhosue itslef - you might be bal;e to ger some more info on Evelyn there - there are sometimes things on line or maybe even the archives (you might be best calling them so see if its worth a visit first thought or even e mail them - im not familiar withe the records at the workhouse in manchester ) you havent manetioned WHICH workhouse - so just wondering if there were more than one not sure maybe Other than that you might have to narrow it down to Which Evelyn as there are several - and the thing is we dont know if Evelyn was born around Openshaw or not as many domestic servants came from other places not necessarily nearby - sometimes they were near sometimes they were far - a lot came from Ireland (but Howard is more local rather than too irish ) sometimes you may need to search each individual one to see what happend to them . (time comsuming) but sometimes brings up results - the other thing is we dont know Evelyns age ? but there hopefully is something in the workhouse records for her there - as if you can get her AGE from the workhouse records you might have better luck with the 1911 census - Next census , the 1922 isnt due out until 2022 - sadly - this would have the detail of Evelyn working as the domestic servant - The other thing is not not dismiss the fact that Evelyn MAY have been a married lady - whose husband had died/left but im more inclunded to think she was single - But I had a lady in my tree whos husband died and she had a child with someone else , we dont know who he is though !! I think once you have a bit more detail from the workhosue (if they have anything ) you can move on - Maybe some other researches can think of things I havent mentioned ? Good luck in your research Andrea Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

I am interested in making contact with anyone who is related to or knows of this family. The 1911 census shows George and Sarah Jane HILL living at 74, Haslingden Road, Blackburn with their children: Edwin, Thomas, Arthur, Beatrice, Harold and Fred. It is Edwin that I am particularly interested in.His birth was registered in 1886 at Macclesfield. He was buried at St James's church, Lower Darwen on 9th November 1918. His address at that time was given as 82, Haslingden Road. The burial register has an 'S' against the entry which, I am told, signified that he was a soldier. However, his name is not included on the church's war memorial and I cannot find a record of his death on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission web site which it would be if he was in the army. My interest is in finding if in fact he was in the army and if any descendants of the family are living. David Railton

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Orlando_Littlemoss Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52771.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There is a birth in 1919 of an Arthur Richard Henry Waldren, mothers maiden name: Walker, Born Oldham. Died Middleton in 1940. Middleton is the area that a 77 year old Arthur Henry Walden in 1955. See: http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 1_lorraine793 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52771.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There is a member with a public family tree with the info you are after. According to the tree he married margaret walker, kilwinning, ayreshire 1917. Hope this helps Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kim15178 Surnames: Waldren, Hankin Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52771/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am trying to find out if Arthur H Waldren who died in the Oldham area in 1965 is Arthur Henry Waldren b 1888 in London City. Arthur Henry's father was Arthur Richard Waldren and his mother Harriet Hankin. He had a younger brother, Frederick, who died in 1921 aged 27. There is plenty of circumstancial evidence that it is the same man but I haven't been able to trace a marriage for him and would like to know how he came to move to Oldham. I am a descendent of Arthur Richard Waldren's brother, Frederick Charles. Arthur Richard lived for a period of time with my father and grandparents. Kim Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bryan2609 Surnames: Murphy Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52770/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking to trace relatives based on the following information sourced mainly from 1861 Census: Bridget Murphy - Head of household - Age 61 Patrick Murphy - Son - DOB XX/XX/1838 Catherine Murphy - Daughter - DOB 28/07/1844 Peter Murphy - Son - DOB 09/08/1847 Bridget Conway - Daughter - DOB XX/XX/1823 It appears that sometime between 1851 and 1861 the above family members ( others below) came from the Kinturk townland in Kilmaley parish, County Clare, Ireland. It is assumed that the time frame above is correct as there does not appear to be details of the family in the 1851 Census. >From other sources the following information has also been obtained: Bridget Murphy was Bridget O'Brien before marrying James Murphy, it seems James Murphy was deceased at time of 1861 Census. There were also the following children born to James & Bridget: -Michael Murphy DOB 06/07/1835 -Judy Murphy DOB 02/04/1831 -Nora Murphy DOB 16/04/1833 Michael Murphy was married in 1857. All children were born in Ireland. It may be possible that the above family may have arrived in Wigan along with 2 brothers of James's, Patrick & Michael. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jessiebeamer Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52763.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Pamela, >From St.Athanasius, Fountains Road, Kirkdale. Married by licence, 3rd October, 1925. William Henry Williams, aged 38, Bachelor, occupation Bricklayer, of 84 Garnett Avenue. Father: Henry Williams, Farm Bailiff. & Elizabeth Florence Garrett, aged 42, Spinster of 6 Primrose Street. Father: John James Garrett (deceased), Marine Diver. Both signed the register. Witness: Grace Williams (the second witnesses signature is illegible). Hope this helps. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>