Sorry Phil definitely starting an outcry!!! To Fettle is to repair something. My mother, Lancashire born & bred and a weaver in a cotton mill always referred to something needing ‘fettling’ when broken. I seem to remember her referring to the mechanic/fitter in the mill as “the fettler”. Regards Pamela Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Phil Marsden via LANCSGEN Sent: 15 May 2019 10:37 To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: Phil Marsden Subject: [LAN] Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions Hi June, At the risk of causing an outcry. I would say that 'fettle' means mess around or fiddle with it until it works; 'fix' implies you know exactly what is wrong, go straight to the problem and repair it. I'm sure you'll the distinction I'm making - lol. ???? Best wishes, Phil. _______________________________________________ Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi June, At the risk of causing an outcry. I would say that 'fettle' means mess around or fiddle with it until it works; 'fix' implies you know exactly what is wrong, go straight to the problem and repair it. I'm sure you'll the distinction I'm making - lol. ???? Best wishes, Phil.

Thank you Bob, fun tidbit. June I kind of figured that was what he meant, I love the words we use around the world. I have actually taken to using a few I've learned here on this list. I figure since my Emmett's were from there, I can use the words. ;-) Susan Boise, Idaho, USA -----Original Message----- From: June Dowling via LANCSGEN [mailto:lancsgen@rootsweb.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 11:25 AM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: June Dowling Subject: [LAN] Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions Thank you for clarifying about Mrs Dawson's coffee bar, Bob. For the benefit of any overseas listers 'fettle' up here in Northern England means 'fix'! It was good to see that old word used again. (Sorry I know this is slightly off the topic of Sabden Baptists -- but it was originally about a Sabden 'go to' establishment.) Regards June On Tuesday, 14 May 2019, 17:39:50 BST, familyhistory <familyhistory@bccy.org.uk> wrote: June, Susan, Nothing special about Mrs Dawson's coffee bar - a small place in what had probably been the front room of an end terraced house. I used to call in for a coffee on the way home from Burnley about once or twice a week. She had a Juke box and I sometimes fettled it if it was playing up (no pun intended). BobC

Old O.S. mapping shows four places of worship in Sabden.   The Baptist Chapel and Burial Ground between Top Row and Crow Trees Row, a Methodist Chapel on Long Row, St Nicholas Church (Heyhouses Perpetual Curacy) and Graveyard beyond the end of Long Row, and a Particular Baptist Chapel, the location of which cannot be identified with any accuracy, however it was shown as being between what is now Whalley Rd and Padiham Rd. I see that the main Baptist chapel has moved down-hill and is now closer to the village centre - it appears that the original burial ground may now have been built over. If the document was related to the creation of the Heyhouses Per. Curacy then the use of Ana Baptist could be either a "scholarly" classification or perhaps intended to encompass both General and Particular sects.  It might even have been used by an Anglican Clergyman as a form of denigration. None of which gets us any nearer to deciphering "H.C." BobC On 14/05/2019 10:39, david.sabden11--- via LANCSGEN wrote: > Thanks for your thoughts on the subject Phil and all. > > A little more information for you, the documented names are inclusive > of all the male members of the village of Sabden Bridge, ie the > Townships of Heyhouses, Pendleton, Read, Goldshawbooth and Padiham, > all parts in Sabden valley. It also includes such information as > whether their wife was also a member of their denomination or some > other and the number of children in the household. A few addresses are > also included. > > Although there is no date on the census, local genealogist, Dr J.A. > Laycock believed it originated from the creation of Heyhouses parish > which would make it c1840. > > At the time there was a general Baptist chapel at Top Row - founded > 1796 - and I believe these were AnaBaptists. Could it also be that > they were "H.C. Baptists"? Maybe "H.C." was hill or high chapel as the > building was on the climb towards the Nick o Pendle? A second Baptist > congregation, known as "Particular Baptists", existed in the "town" > which met in an upstairs room above a grocery shop. The property still > exists today and situated next to the present day newsagents. > > Regards, > > David. > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Phil Marsden via LANCSGEN" <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> > To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Cc: "Phil Marsden" <philmarsden@btopenworld.com> > Sent: Monday, 13 May, 2019 At 11:26 > Subject: [LAN] Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions > > Hi All, > > As another line of thought I would suggest a possible meaning would be > an alignment to a particular chapel, or perhaps chapelry - that being > the 'C'. Often ministers would preach at more than one chapel and in > the early period these 'sub-chapels' could be little more than a room > in someone's home.  I know the area reasonably well and possibilities > for the location are Heyhouses or more likely Higham. > > Is the document you have firmly Baptist only? Or could it stretch to > Nonconformist? As there is the Wesleyan Chapel at Higham, i.e. H. C. - > Higham Chapel. > > Regards, Phil. > > -----Original Message----- > From: lancsgen-request@rootsweb.com <lancsgen-request@rootsweb.com> > Sent: 13 May 2019 09:03 > To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: LANCSGEN Digest, Vol 14, Issue 94 > > Send LANCSGEN mailing list submissions to lancsgen@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body > subscribe to lancsgen-request@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and > body unsubscribe to lancsgen-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at lancsgen-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of LANCSGEN digest..." > > Today's Topics: > >    1. Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions >       (familyhistory) >    2. Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions >       (June Dowling) >    3. Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions >       (Susan Slade Grossl) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 10:22:28 +0100 > From: familyhistory <familyhistory@bccy.org.uk> > Subject: [LAN] Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions > To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c9f7cd09-0ca0-5eff-70d7-ea7c6deb98f9@bccy.org.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > David, > > Can you provide the context for these classifications.   It's the H.C. > that is troubling me - are you sure it applies to both Baptist and > Anabaptist (normally a single word).   Another point is do you know > how the "census" was taken.   Had the subjects been consulted or was > it just what the local C of E minister thought was the situation. > > Could the H.C. be a separate sect - some folks would follow two or > more flavours of the non-conformist movement. > > H.C. reminds me of the Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion movement - > not very mainstream and a Methodist spin-off, but I seem to remember > that there was a congregation in Blackburn and there was a church in > Pole Street, Preston it was next door to Cary St Baptist.  Wikipedia > has a short article on the Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion  > movement (now simply known as "the Connexion" > > Another possibility, given that H.C. appears before both Baptist and > Ana Baptist is that it was geographical and refers to a congregation > at somewhere other than Sabden.   Does it appear say before Methodist > as well ?- > > There were an awful lot of sub-divisions of the various non-conformist > churches - worth looking at is the Rev Thos Jollie of Altham who was > ejected from that church and set up a conventicle at his home in > Wymondhouses but was jailed for preaching too close to Altham. > > Particular Baptists it appears were not an offshoot of the General > Baptists but owed their origin to Calvanism.    Anabaptist was not a > specific sect but a classification of sects that believed in > re-baptism i.e adult rather than infant baptism, so this > classification could take in both General and Particular sects. > > The Victoria County History entry for Pendleton (~1911} mentions :"On > the border of the township, at Sabden, are Wesleyan Methodist and > Baptist chapels. The latter was founded in 1797, a congregation of > more than a hundred being soon gathered from the workmen at the > adjacent print works.". > > I was interested in digging into Sabden as I spent quite a bit of time > in Mrs Dawson's coffee bar there in the 1960's. > > BobC > > On 10/05/2019 16:45, david.sabden11--- via LANCSGEN wrote: >> >> Helo, >> I recently discovered a mid 19thC religious census for Sabden and am >> presently transcribing the document. >> >> Please can any of the members help in giving a definition to the >> Baptist professions used in the document to describe their persuasion: >> >> 1. Baptist >> 2. H.C. Baptist >> 3. Ana Baptist >> 4. H.C. Ana Baptist >> >> By the mid-19thC there were two Baptist congregations in Sabden: the >> main chapel on Top Row set up in 1797 and a secondary congregation of >> "Particular Baptists" set up in 1738 on Whalley Road above a grocer's >> shop. >> >> Thank you. >> >> David Eaves. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> > -- > Bob C > > http://www.bccy.org.uk > and > http://extra.bccy.org.uk > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 09:40:23 +0000 (UTC) > From: June Dowling <june.dowling@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: [LAN] Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions > To: <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <918221839.12454856.1557654023989@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Bob -- I am really impressed by your knowledge of the various > categories of non-conformists - but what I would really like to know > is --- what on earth went on in Mrs Dawson's Coffee Bar in Sabden in > the 1960s! > > June > > On Sunday, 12 May 2019, 10:23:19 BST, familyhistory > <familyhistory@bccy.org.uk> wrote: > > David, > > Can you provide the context for these classifications.   It's the H.C. > that is troubling me - are you sure it applies to both Baptist and > Anabaptist (normally a single word).   Another point is do you know > how the "census" was taken.   Had the subjects been consulted or was > it just what the local C of E minister thought was the situation. > > Could the H.C. be a separate sect - some folks would follow two or > more flavours of the non-conformist movement. > > H.C. reminds me of the Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion movement - > not very mainstream and a Methodist spin-off, but I seem to remember > that there was a congregation in Blackburn and there was a church in > Pole Street, Preston it was next door to Cary St Baptist.  Wikipedia > has a short article on the Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion  > movement (now simply known as "the Connexion" > > Another possibility, given that H.C. appears before both Baptist and > Ana Baptist is that it was geographical and refers to a congregation > at somewhere other than Sabden.   Does it appear say before Methodist > as well ?- > > There were an awful lot of sub-divisions of the various non-conformist > churches - worth looking at is the Rev Thos Jollie of Altham who was > ejected from that church and set up a conventicle at his home in > Wymondhouses but was jailed for preaching too close to Altham. > > Particular Baptists it appears were not an offshoot of the General > Baptists but owed their origin to Calvanism.    Anabaptist was not a > specific sect but a classification of sects that believed in > re-baptism i.e adult rather than infant baptism, so this > classification could take in both General and Particular sects. > > The Victoria County History entry for Pendleton (~1911} mentions :"On > the border of the township, at Sabden, are Wesleyan Methodist and > Baptist chapels. The latter was founded in 1797, a congregation of > more than a hundred being soon gathered from the workmen at the > adjacent print works.". > > I was interested in digging into Sabden as I spent quite a bit of time > in Mrs Dawson's coffee bar there in the 1960's. > > BobC > >> > > http://www.bccy.org.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 11:07:05 -0600 > From: Susan Slade Grossl <sdsladegrossl@cableone.net> > Subject: [LAN] Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions > To: <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> > Cc: 'June Dowling' <june.dowling@yahoo.co.uk> > Message-ID: <000f01d508e5$20955c10$61c01430$@cableone.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Seriously, what was Mrs. Dawson's Coffee bar like in the 1960s? And I > agree about your knowledge, I just learned a lot there. > > Susan > Boise, Idaho, USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: June Dowling via LANCSGEN [mailto:lancsgen@rootsweb.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 3:40 AM > To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Cc: June Dowling > Subject: [LAN] Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions > > Bob -- I am really impressed by your knowledge of the various > categories of non-conformists - but what I would really like to know > is --- what on earth went on in Mrs Dawson's Coffee Bar in Sabden in > the 1960s! > > June > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > When REPLYING, send a PLAIN TEXT message to lancsgen@rootsweb.com and > EDIT THE SUBJECT LINE so it is more specific. > Delete all messages other than the one to which you're replying. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > ------------------------------ > > End of LANCSGEN Digest, Vol 14, Issue 94 > **************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, > links, and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word > UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to > lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, > links, and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word > UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to > lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > -- Bob C http://www.bccy.org.uk and http://extra.bccy.org.uk

Thank you for clarifying about Mrs Dawson's coffee bar, Bob. For the benefit of any overseas listers 'fettle' up here in Northern England means 'fix'! It was good to see that old word used again. (Sorry I know this is slightly off the topic of Sabden Baptists -- but it was originally about a Sabden 'go to' establishment.) Regards June On Tuesday, 14 May 2019, 17:39:50 BST, familyhistory <familyhistory@bccy.org.uk> wrote: June, Susan, Nothing special about Mrs Dawson's coffee bar - a small place in what had probably been the front room of an end terraced house. I used to call in for a coffee on the way home from Burnley about once or twice a week.   She had a Juke box and I sometimes fettled it if it was playing up (no pun intended). BobC

June, Susan, Nothing special about Mrs Dawson's coffee bar - a small place in what had probably been the front room of an end terraced house. I used to call in for a coffee on the way home from Burnley about once or twice a week.   She had a Juke box and I sometimes fettled it if it was playing up (no pun intended). BobC On 12/05/2019 18:07, Susan Slade Grossl wrote: > Seriously, what was Mrs. Dawson's Coffee bar like in the 1960s? And I agree about your knowledge, I just learned a lot there. > > Susan > Boise, Idaho, USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: June Dowling via LANCSGEN [mailto:lancsgen@rootsweb.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 3:40 AM > To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Cc: June Dowling > Subject: [LAN] Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions > > Bob -- I am really impressed by your knowledge of the various categories of non-conformists - but what I would really like to know is --- what on earth went on in Mrs Dawson's Coffee Bar in Sabden in the 1960s! > > June > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > -- Bob C http://www.bccy.org.uk and http://extra.bccy.org.uk

Hello David, My thanks for your help in the past with my THORNBER family. The following is your research for me in Sabden. All my best Mike Morris  Toronto Canada Hello Mike, My records show a Richard Thornber living at Chalk Row, Sabden in 1828 on a medical register and with his family at Long Row in the 1841 Census The "medical register" is a compilation of names entitled "The Population of Sabden Valley in the early part of the Century (19th)" by Dr Alfred Laycock c1890. Laycock was  Sabden's medical practitioner at the time and also a keen genealogist and we presume the booklet was compiled from lists of a previous doctor who practised in the village. 1841 census: Richard Thornber 55 Journeyman Printer; Ann 45, Giles 26 Dyer; Manaseth(?) 18 Dyer; Ephraim 18 Dyer; John 15 Dyer; William 13 Tearer; Alice 11 Tearer; Cornelius 6. > During the early part of the 19thC many of the rows of small cottage-type terraced property in Sabden had more than one name. Chalf and Long Row are both one and the same and today the postal address is Wesley Street. In 1841 there was also a Thornber family living at the Chapel House: John Thornber 35 Journeyman Calico Printer; Jane 35; Sarah 17 weaver; Ellen 15 weaver; Thomas 14 calender boy; alice 12 tearer; Joseph 4; Benjamin 2; John 1. The chapel house in this instance was part of a property in Whalley Road which was used as a place of worship by a group of Baptists calling themselves Particular Baptists who had broken away from the mainstream Baptist Chapel. The property is still in existence and situated next to the present day newsagent and post office. Both properties can be distinctly seen on Google Earth street cam.  David. On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎May‎ ‎14‎, ‎2019‎ ‎05‎:‎40‎:‎18‎ ‎AM‎ ‎EDT, david.sabden11--- via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: Thanks for your thoughts on the subject Phil and all. A little more information for you, the documented names are inclusive of all the male members of the village of Sabden Bridge, ie the Townships of Heyhouses, Pendleton, Read, Goldshawbooth and Padiham, all parts in Sabden valley. It also includes such information as whether their wife was also a member of their denomination or some other and the number of children in the household. A few addresses are also included. Although there is no date on the census, local genealogist, Dr J.A. Laycock believed it originated from the creation of Heyhouses parish which would make it c1840. At the time there was a general Baptist chapel at Top Row - founded 1796 - and I believe these were AnaBaptists. Could it also be that they were "H.C. Baptists"? Maybe "H.C." was hill or high chapel as the building was on the climb towards the Nick o Pendle? A second Baptist congregation, known as "Particular Baptists", existed in the "town" which met in an upstairs room above a grocery shop. The property still exists today and situated next to the present day newsagents. Regards, David.al RootsWeb community

Thanks for your thoughts on the subject Phil and all. A little more information for you, the documented names are inclusive of all the male members of the village of Sabden Bridge, ie the Townships of Heyhouses, Pendleton, Read, Goldshawbooth and Padiham, all parts in Sabden valley. It also includes such information as whether their wife was also a member of their denomination or some other and the number of children in the household. A few addresses are also included. Although there is no date on the census, local genealogist, Dr J.A. Laycock believed it originated from the creation of Heyhouses parish which would make it c1840. At the time there was a general Baptist chapel at Top Row - founded 1796 - and I believe these were AnaBaptists. Could it also be that they were "H.C. Baptists"? Maybe "H.C." was hill or high chapel as the building was on the climb towards the Nick o Pendle? A second Baptist congregation, known as "Particular Baptists", existed in the "town" which met in an upstairs room above a grocery shop. The property still exists today and situated next to the present day newsagents. Regards, David. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Phil Marsden via LANCSGEN" <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: "Phil Marsden" <philmarsden@btopenworld.com> Sent: Monday, 13 May, 2019 At 11:26 Subject: [LAN] Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions Hi All, As another line of thought I would suggest a possible meaning would be an alignment to a particular chapel, or perhaps chapelry - that being the 'C'. Often ministers would preach at more than one chapel and in the early period these 'sub-chapels' could be little more than a room in someone's home. I know the area reasonably well and possibilities for the location are Heyhouses or more likely Higham. Is the document you have firmly Baptist only? Or could it stretch to Nonconformist? As there is the Wesleyan Chapel at Higham, i.e. H. C. - Higham Chapel. Regards, Phil. -----Original Message----- From: lancsgen-request@rootsweb.com <lancsgen-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: 13 May 2019 09:03 To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: LANCSGEN Digest, Vol 14, Issue 94 Send LANCSGEN mailing list submissions to lancsgen@rootsweb.com To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body subscribe to lancsgen-request@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and body unsubscribe to lancsgen-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at lancsgen-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of LANCSGEN digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions (familyhistory) 2. Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions (June Dowling) 3. Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions (Susan Slade Grossl) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 10:22:28 +0100 From: familyhistory <familyhistory@bccy.org.uk> Subject: [LAN] Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c9f7cd09-0ca0-5eff-70d7-ea7c6deb98f9@bccy.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed David, Can you provide the context for these classifications. It's the H.C. that is troubling me - are you sure it applies to both Baptist and Anabaptist (normally a single word). Another point is do you know how the "census" was taken. Had the subjects been consulted or was it just what the local C of E minister thought was the situation. Could the H.C. be a separate sect - some folks would follow two or more flavours of the non-conformist movement. H.C. reminds me of the Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion movement - not very mainstream and a Methodist spin-off, but I seem to remember that there was a congregation in Blackburn and there was a church in Pole Street, Preston it was next door to Cary St Baptist. Wikipedia has a short article on the Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion movement (now simply known as "the Connexion" Another possibility, given that H.C. appears before both Baptist and Ana Baptist is that it was geographical and refers to a congregation at somewhere other than Sabden. Does it appear say before Methodist as well ?- There were an awful lot of sub-divisions of the various non-conformist churches - worth looking at is the Rev Thos Jollie of Altham who was ejected from that church and set up a conventicle at his home in Wymondhouses but was jailed for preaching too close to Altham. Particular Baptists it appears were not an offshoot of the General Baptists but owed their origin to Calvanism. Anabaptist was not a specific sect but a classification of sects that believed in re-baptism i.e adult rather than infant baptism, so this classification could take in both General and Particular sects. The Victoria County History entry for Pendleton (~1911} mentions :"On the border of the township, at Sabden, are Wesleyan Methodist and Baptist chapels. The latter was founded in 1797, a congregation of more than a hundred being soon gathered from the workmen at the adjacent print works.". I was interested in digging into Sabden as I spent quite a bit of time in Mrs Dawson's coffee bar there in the 1960's. BobC On 10/05/2019 16:45, david.sabden11--- via LANCSGEN wrote: > > Helo, > I recently discovered a mid 19thC religious census for Sabden and am > presently transcribing the document. > > Please can any of the members help in giving a definition to the > Baptist professions used in the document to describe their persuasion: > > 1. Baptist > 2. H.C. Baptist > 3. Ana Baptist > 4. H.C. Ana Baptist > > By the mid-19thC there were two Baptist congregations in Sabden: the > main chapel on Top Row set up in 1797 and a secondary congregation of > "Particular Baptists" set up in 1738 on Whalley Road above a grocer's > shop. > > Thank you. > > David Eaves. > > _______________________________________________ > > -- Bob C http://www.bccy.org.uk and http://extra.bccy.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 09:40:23 +0000 (UTC) From: June Dowling <june.dowling@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [LAN] Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions To: <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <918221839.12454856.1557654023989@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Bob -- I am really impressed by your knowledge of the various categories of non-conformists - but what I would really like to know is --- what on earth went on in Mrs Dawson's Coffee Bar in Sabden in the 1960s! June On Sunday, 12 May 2019, 10:23:19 BST, familyhistory <familyhistory@bccy.org.uk> wrote: David, Can you provide the context for these classifications. It's the H.C. that is troubling me - are you sure it applies to both Baptist and Anabaptist (normally a single word). Another point is do you know how the "census" was taken. Had the subjects been consulted or was it just what the local C of E minister thought was the situation. Could the H.C. be a separate sect - some folks would follow two or more flavours of the non-conformist movement. H.C. reminds me of the Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion movement - not very mainstream and a Methodist spin-off, but I seem to remember that there was a congregation in Blackburn and there was a church in Pole Street, Preston it was next door to Cary St Baptist. Wikipedia has a short article on the Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion movement (now simply known as "the Connexion" Another possibility, given that H.C. appears before both Baptist and Ana Baptist is that it was geographical and refers to a congregation at somewhere other than Sabden. Does it appear say before Methodist as well ?- There were an awful lot of sub-divisions of the various non-conformist churches - worth looking at is the Rev Thos Jollie of Altham who was ejected from that church and set up a conventicle at his home in Wymondhouses but was jailed for preaching too close to Altham. Particular Baptists it appears were not an offshoot of the General Baptists but owed their origin to Calvanism. Anabaptist was not a specific sect but a classification of sects that believed in re-baptism i.e adult rather than infant baptism, so this classification could take in both General and Particular sects. The Victoria County History entry for Pendleton (~1911} mentions :"On the border of the township, at Sabden, are Wesleyan Methodist and Baptist chapels. The latter was founded in 1797, a congregation of more than a hundred being soon gathered from the workmen at the adjacent print works.". I was interested in digging into Sabden as I spent quite a bit of time in Mrs Dawson's coffee bar there in the 1960's. BobC > http://www.bccy.org.uk _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 11:07:05 -0600 From: Susan Slade Grossl <sdsladegrossl@cableone.net> Subject: [LAN] Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions To: <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Cc: 'June Dowling' <june.dowling@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <000f01d508e5$20955c10$61c01430$@cableone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Seriously, what was Mrs. Dawson's Coffee bar like in the 1960s? And I agree about your knowledge, I just learned a lot there. Susan Boise, Idaho, USA -----Original Message----- From: June Dowling via LANCSGEN [mailto:lancsgen@rootsweb.com] Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 3:40 AM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: June Dowling Subject: [LAN] Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions Bob -- I am really impressed by your knowledge of the various categories of non-conformists - but what I would really like to know is --- what on earth went on in Mrs Dawson's Coffee Bar in Sabden in the 1960s! June ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer When REPLYING, send a PLAIN TEXT message to lancsgen@rootsweb.com and EDIT THE SUBJECT LINE so it is more specific. Delete all messages other than the one to which you're replying. 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Hi All, As another line of thought I would suggest a possible meaning would be an alignment to a particular chapel, or perhaps chapelry - that being the 'C'. Often ministers would preach at more than one chapel and in the early period these 'sub-chapels' could be little more than a room in someone's home. I know the area reasonably well and possibilities for the location are Heyhouses or more likely Higham. Is the document you have firmly Baptist only? Or could it stretch to Nonconformist? As there is the Wesleyan Chapel at Higham, i.e. H. C. - Higham Chapel. Regards, Phil. -----Original Message----- From: lancsgen-request@rootsweb.com <lancsgen-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: 13 May 2019 09:03 To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: LANCSGEN Digest, Vol 14, Issue 94 Send LANCSGEN mailing list submissions to lancsgen@rootsweb.com To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body subscribe to lancsgen-request@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and body unsubscribe to lancsgen-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at lancsgen-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of LANCSGEN digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions (familyhistory) 2. Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions (June Dowling) 3. Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions (Susan Slade Grossl) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 10:22:28 +0100 From: familyhistory <familyhistory@bccy.org.uk> Subject: [LAN] Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c9f7cd09-0ca0-5eff-70d7-ea7c6deb98f9@bccy.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed David, Can you provide the context for these classifications. It's the H.C. that is troubling me - are you sure it applies to both Baptist and Anabaptist (normally a single word). Another point is do you know how the "census" was taken. Had the subjects been consulted or was it just what the local C of E minister thought was the situation. Could the H.C. be a separate sect - some folks would follow two or more flavours of the non-conformist movement. H.C. reminds me of the Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion movement - not very mainstream and a Methodist spin-off, but I seem to remember that there was a congregation in Blackburn and there was a church in Pole Street, Preston it was next door to Cary St Baptist. Wikipedia has a short article on the Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion movement (now simply known as "the Connexion" Another possibility, given that H.C. appears before both Baptist and Ana Baptist is that it was geographical and refers to a congregation at somewhere other than Sabden. Does it appear say before Methodist as well ?- There were an awful lot of sub-divisions of the various non-conformist churches - worth looking at is the Rev Thos Jollie of Altham who was ejected from that church and set up a conventicle at his home in Wymondhouses but was jailed for preaching too close to Altham. Particular Baptists it appears were not an offshoot of the General Baptists but owed their origin to Calvanism. Anabaptist was not a specific sect but a classification of sects that believed in re-baptism i.e adult rather than infant baptism, so this classification could take in both General and Particular sects. The Victoria County History entry for Pendleton (~1911} mentions :"On the border of the township, at Sabden, are Wesleyan Methodist and Baptist chapels. The latter was founded in 1797, a congregation of more than a hundred being soon gathered from the workmen at the adjacent print works.". I was interested in digging into Sabden as I spent quite a bit of time in Mrs Dawson's coffee bar there in the 1960's. BobC On 10/05/2019 16:45, david.sabden11--- via LANCSGEN wrote: > > Helo, > I recently discovered a mid 19thC religious census for Sabden and am > presently transcribing the document. > > Please can any of the members help in giving a definition to the > Baptist professions used in the document to describe their persuasion: > > 1. Baptist > 2. H.C. Baptist > 3. Ana Baptist > 4. H.C. Ana Baptist > > By the mid-19thC there were two Baptist congregations in Sabden: the > main chapel on Top Row set up in 1797 and a secondary congregation of > "Particular Baptists" set up in 1738 on Whalley Road above a grocer's > shop. > > Thank you. > > David Eaves. > > _______________________________________________ > > -- Bob C http://www.bccy.org.uk and http://extra.bccy.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 09:40:23 +0000 (UTC) From: June Dowling <june.dowling@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [LAN] Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions To: <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <918221839.12454856.1557654023989@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Bob -- I am really impressed by your knowledge of the various categories of non-conformists - but what I would really like to know is --- what on earth went on in Mrs Dawson's Coffee Bar in Sabden in the 1960s! June On Sunday, 12 May 2019, 10:23:19 BST, familyhistory <familyhistory@bccy.org.uk> wrote: David, Can you provide the context for these classifications. It's the H.C. that is troubling me - are you sure it applies to both Baptist and Anabaptist (normally a single word). Another point is do you know how the "census" was taken. Had the subjects been consulted or was it just what the local C of E minister thought was the situation. Could the H.C. be a separate sect - some folks would follow two or more flavours of the non-conformist movement. H.C. reminds me of the Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion movement - not very mainstream and a Methodist spin-off, but I seem to remember that there was a congregation in Blackburn and there was a church in Pole Street, Preston it was next door to Cary St Baptist. Wikipedia has a short article on the Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion movement (now simply known as "the Connexion" Another possibility, given that H.C. appears before both Baptist and Ana Baptist is that it was geographical and refers to a congregation at somewhere other than Sabden. Does it appear say before Methodist as well ?- There were an awful lot of sub-divisions of the various non-conformist churches - worth looking at is the Rev Thos Jollie of Altham who was ejected from that church and set up a conventicle at his home in Wymondhouses but was jailed for preaching too close to Altham. Particular Baptists it appears were not an offshoot of the General Baptists but owed their origin to Calvanism. Anabaptist was not a specific sect but a classification of sects that believed in re-baptism i.e adult rather than infant baptism, so this classification could take in both General and Particular sects. The Victoria County History entry for Pendleton (~1911} mentions :"On the border of the township, at Sabden, are Wesleyan Methodist and Baptist chapels. The latter was founded in 1797, a congregation of more than a hundred being soon gathered from the workmen at the adjacent print works.". I was interested in digging into Sabden as I spent quite a bit of time in Mrs Dawson's coffee bar there in the 1960's. BobC > http://www.bccy.org.uk _______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 11:07:05 -0600 From: Susan Slade Grossl <sdsladegrossl@cableone.net> Subject: [LAN] Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions To: <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Cc: 'June Dowling' <june.dowling@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <000f01d508e5$20955c10$61c01430$@cableone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Seriously, what was Mrs. Dawson's Coffee bar like in the 1960s? And I agree about your knowledge, I just learned a lot there. Susan Boise, Idaho, USA -----Original Message----- From: June Dowling via LANCSGEN [mailto:lancsgen@rootsweb.com] Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 3:40 AM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: June Dowling Subject: [LAN] Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions Bob -- I am really impressed by your knowledge of the various categories of non-conformists - but what I would really like to know is --- what on earth went on in Mrs Dawson's Coffee Bar in Sabden in the 1960s! June ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer When REPLYING, send a PLAIN TEXT message to lancsgen@rootsweb.com and EDIT THE SUBJECT LINE so it is more specific. Delete all messages other than the one to which you're replying. GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ ------------------------------ End of LANCSGEN Digest, Vol 14, Issue 94 ****************************************

Seriously, what was Mrs. Dawson's Coffee bar like in the 1960s? And I agree about your knowledge, I just learned a lot there. Susan Boise, Idaho, USA -----Original Message----- From: June Dowling via LANCSGEN [mailto:lancsgen@rootsweb.com] Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 3:40 AM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: June Dowling Subject: [LAN] Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions Bob -- I am really impressed by your knowledge of the various categories of non-conformists - but what I would really like to know is --- what on earth went on in Mrs Dawson's Coffee Bar in Sabden in the 1960s! June

Bob -- I am really impressed by your knowledge of the various categories of non-conformists - but what I would really like to know is --- what on earth went on in Mrs Dawson's Coffee Bar in Sabden in the 1960s! June On Sunday, 12 May 2019, 10:23:19 BST, familyhistory <familyhistory@bccy.org.uk> wrote: David, Can you provide the context for these classifications.   It's the H.C. that is troubling me - are you sure it applies to both Baptist and Anabaptist (normally a single word).   Another point is do you know how the "census" was taken.   Had the subjects been consulted or was it just what the local C of E minister thought was the situation. Could the H.C. be a separate sect - some folks would follow two or more flavours of the non-conformist movement. H.C. reminds me of the Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion movement - not very mainstream and a Methodist spin-off, but I seem to remember that there was a congregation in Blackburn and there was a church in Pole Street, Preston it was next door to Cary St Baptist.  Wikipedia has a short article on the Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion  movement (now simply known as "the Connexion" Another possibility, given that H.C. appears before both Baptist and Ana Baptist is that it was geographical and refers to a congregation at somewhere other than Sabden.   Does it appear say before Methodist as well ?- There were an awful lot of sub-divisions of the various non-conformist churches - worth looking at is the Rev Thos Jollie of Altham who was ejected from that church and set up a conventicle at his home in Wymondhouses but was jailed for preaching too close to Altham. Particular Baptists it appears were not an offshoot of the General Baptists but owed their origin to Calvanism.    Anabaptist was not a specific sect but a classification of sects that believed in re-baptism i.e adult rather than infant baptism, so this classification could take in both General and Particular sects. The Victoria County History entry for Pendleton (~1911} mentions :"On the border of the township, at Sabden, are Wesleyan Methodist and Baptist chapels. The latter was founded in 1797, a congregation of more than a hundred being soon gathered from the workmen at the adjacent print works.". I was interested in digging into Sabden as I spent quite a bit of time in Mrs Dawson's coffee bar there in the 1960's. BobC > http://www.bccy.org.uk _______________________________________________

David, Can you provide the context for these classifications.   It's the H.C. that is troubling me - are you sure it applies to both Baptist and Anabaptist (normally a single word).   Another point is do you know how the "census" was taken.   Had the subjects been consulted or was it just what the local C of E minister thought was the situation. Could the H.C. be a separate sect - some folks would follow two or more flavours of the non-conformist movement. H.C. reminds me of the Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion movement - not very mainstream and a Methodist spin-off, but I seem to remember that there was a congregation in Blackburn and there was a church in Pole Street, Preston it was next door to Cary St Baptist.  Wikipedia has a short article on the Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion  movement (now simply known as "the Connexion" Another possibility, given that H.C. appears before both Baptist and Ana Baptist is that it was geographical and refers to a congregation at somewhere other than Sabden.   Does it appear say before Methodist as well ?- There were an awful lot of sub-divisions of the various non-conformist churches - worth looking at is the Rev Thos Jollie of Altham who was ejected from that church and set up a conventicle at his home in Wymondhouses but was jailed for preaching too close to Altham. Particular Baptists it appears were not an offshoot of the General Baptists but owed their origin to Calvanism.    Anabaptist was not a specific sect but a classification of sects that believed in re-baptism i.e adult rather than infant baptism, so this classification could take in both General and Particular sects. The Victoria County History entry for Pendleton (~1911} mentions :"On the border of the township, at Sabden, are Wesleyan Methodist and Baptist chapels. The latter was founded in 1797, a congregation of more than a hundred being soon gathered from the workmen at the adjacent print works.". I was interested in digging into Sabden as I spent quite a bit of time in Mrs Dawson's coffee bar there in the 1960's. BobC On 10/05/2019 16:45, david.sabden11--- via LANCSGEN wrote: > > Helo, > I recently discovered a mid 19thC religious census for Sabden and am > presently transcribing the document. > > Please can any of the members help in giving a definition to the > Baptist professions used in the document to describe their persuasion: > > 1. Baptist > 2. H.C. Baptist > 3. Ana Baptist > 4. H.C. Ana Baptist > > By the mid-19thC there were two Baptist congregations in Sabden: the > main chapel on Top Row set up in 1797 and a secondary congregation of > "Particular Baptists" set up in 1738 on Whalley Road above a grocer's > shop. > > Thank you. > > David Eaves. > > _______________________________________________ > > -- Bob C http://www.bccy.org.uk and http://extra.bccy.org.uk

Amish, Hutterites and Mennonite are direct descendants of Anabaptist movement. I have been wrangling with this for a bit trying to trace my Russian relatives. This may or may not be relative to your quest but thought I would add my two cents. Source: Anabaptism Wickipedia. Noreen > On May 10, 2019, at 11:04 AM, david.sabden11--- via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Thanks for your assistance Jim. I'll follow up the links. > > Kind regards, > > David. > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "jim lancaster" <lancaster.jim@zen.co.uk> > To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, 10 May, 2019 At 17:15 > Subject: [LAN] Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions > > Hi, David, > > I don't know very much about the Baptist community. > > Here in Bury today we seem to have two strands, the Baptist Church and the Grace Baptist Church. The former belongs to the Baptist Union and the latter are Particular Baptists. > > There is an explanation of these at - > http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/subdivisions/baptist_1.shtml > > As for Anabaptists, there is an article - > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabaptism#Similar_groups > > My understanding (open to correction) is that Anabaptists are close to the Particular Baptists. > > Hope this is not too far from the truth and that it helps, > > Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.) > >> On 10/05/2019 16:45, david.sabden11--- via LANCSGEN wrote: >> >> Helo, >> I recently discovered a mid 19thC religious census for Sabden and am presently transcribing the document. >> >> Please can any of the members help in giving a definition to the Baptist professions used in the document to describe their persuasion: >> >> 1. Baptist >> 2. H.C. Baptist >> 3. Ana Baptist >> 4. H.C. Ana Baptist > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks for your assistance Jim. I'll follow up the links. Kind regards, David. ------ Original Message ------ From: "jim lancaster" <lancaster.jim@zen.co.uk> To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 10 May, 2019 At 17:15 Subject: [LAN] Re: 19th Century Sabden Baptist movement definitions Hi, David, I don't know very much about the Baptist community. Here in Bury today we seem to have two strands, the Baptist Church and the Grace Baptist Church. The former belongs to the Baptist Union and the latter are Particular Baptists. There is an explanation of these at - http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/subdivisions/baptist_1.shtml As for Anabaptists, there is an article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabaptism#Similar_groups My understanding (open to correction) is that Anabaptists are close to the Particular Baptists. Hope this is not too far from the truth and that it helps, Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.) On 10/05/2019 16:45, david.sabden11--- via LANCSGEN wrote: > > Helo, > I recently discovered a mid 19thC religious census for Sabden and am > presently transcribing the document. > > Please can any of the members help in giving a definition to the > Baptist professions used in the document to describe their persuasion: > > 1. Baptist > 2. H.C. Baptist > 3. Ana Baptist > 4. H.C. Ana Baptist _______________________________________________ Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi, David, I don't know very much about the Baptist community. Here in Bury today we seem to have two strands, the Baptist Church and the Grace Baptist Church. The former belongs to the Baptist Union and the latter are Particular Baptists. There is an explanation of these at - http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/subdivisions/baptist_1.shtml As for Anabaptists, there is an article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabaptism#Similar_groups My understanding (open to correction) is that Anabaptists are close to the Particular Baptists. Hope this is not too far from the truth and that it helps, Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.) On 10/05/2019 16:45, david.sabden11--- via LANCSGEN wrote: > > Helo, > I recently discovered a mid 19thC religious census for Sabden and am > presently transcribing the document. > > Please can any of the members help in giving a definition to the Baptist > professions used in the document to describe their persuasion: > > 1. Baptist > 2. H.C. Baptist > 3. Ana Baptist > 4. H.C. Ana Baptist

Helo, I recently discovered a mid 19thC religious census for Sabden and am presently transcribing the document. Please can any of the members help in giving a definition to the Baptist professions used in the document to describe their persuasion: 1. Baptist 2. H.C. Baptist 3. Ana Baptist 4. H.C. Ana Baptist By the mid-19thC there were two Baptist congregations in Sabden: the main chapel on Top Row set up in 1797 and a secondary congregation of "Particular Baptists" set up in 1738 on Whalley Road above a grocer's shop. Thank you. David Eaves.

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