Hello all Are you out there? Glued to the telly watching the World Cup? Working in the garden? On holiday? It's incredibly quiet on the lists, so I hope that whatever is keeping you away can be put aside for a few minutes. For many of us, Father's Day is Sunday so this is a suitable time for everyone to mention a Lancashire father. Could be a father, grandfather, great grandfather (you get the picture), or a father figure. Perhaps you'd like to post about a man you'd like to honour or a man you'd like to find. Share some history, tell a story, or ask a question. Please post away! I look forward to reading what you have to say. Kindest regards, Lynne list admin.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 193710 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52802.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I suggest you get her birth certificate it might give more details such as the address . Notice her birth year was 1895 Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1895 Surname TODD Gertrude Hulme Manchester HUL/313/52 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: burkesusie Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52802.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Wow! Thank you for your time and effort! Not sure what to do now as the marriage cert is def. her as the info regarding her husband is correct! She signs her name Margaret not Gertrude and names her parents as Joseph and Gertrude! and that she was born in Manchester around 1893!! Have found a Margaret Todd on a passenger ship from England to Canada for 1914. Her destination is the same place as where the marriage took place. Anyway will keep looking and thanks again . susie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 193710 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52802.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Venebles seems an unusual name. I remembered our corner shop on Duke street in Hulme was run by a Mrs Venebles during the 2nd world war. About 8 minutes walk to the west of this place was Juniper street. I noticed the copy of the wedding certificate the father although a different name was listed as a grocer. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Orlando_Littlemoss Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52802.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You may have your work cut out then. No marriage registered between a Joseph Todd and a Gertrude 1865 to 1895 in England and Wales No birth registered of a Gertrude Margaret Todd 1890 -1900 n England and Wales Only Gertrude Todd birth registered in Manchester, is the one that has been proffered. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: burkesusie Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52802.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for your responses but I know from her marriage cert. (Canada 1916) that it names her parents as Joseph and Gertrude Todd and that she was born in Manchester around 1893! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Ailstar Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52799.2.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Ooh I hadn't thought of that precise explanation! Thanks :) I think I'll just take the plunge and order the birth certificate to see if that helps :) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bobbyt78 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52800.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You could try a search of this site, they have accident reports for railway accidents. http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/ Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: linsfam Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52799.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Could it be a first and middle name? Or perhaps there was an illegitimacy and they just wanted to put a name down. In the time between events, they forgot what name they put the first time. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: padur67 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52800.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Fay I was able to obtain information on a railway accident which involved my husbands grandfather in 1949 from the, Ken Hoole Study Centre Darlington Railway Centre and Museum. This was in 2005 and the letter was on Darlington Borough Council letterhead. The collections officer kindly sent me a copy of the report on the incident. There is still a website for Ken Hoole Study Centre. The email address I was given is museumstudycentre@darlington.gov.uk However this was in 2005 and may have changed. Not sure if a fee would now apply. Good luck Pat in Australia Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: FayWhitehouse Surnames: Whitehouse Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52800.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for the replies. Some issues I'm facing; I'm in Australia so don't have access to libraries. Could the newspapers be archived online? James: my grandfather was young ( in his 30's when he was killed) I have found an index that states Barton as the district of death ( I'm only guessing it's him because other deaths are In their 60's and older) but a search of cemeteries has come up with nothing. I am going to see if there are any coroners reports as suggested and welcome any other areas that people think my be useful. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ElaineMelia Surnames: Melia Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/39490.253/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I know that this thread was posted a while ago but i'm a Melia tracing my family history in co Meath and have info to share!! Elaine Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Orlando_Littlemoss Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52802.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: First marriage: 1880 TODD William H VENEBLES Kate E Hulme, St. Stephen. Second Marriage: 1899 TODD William H CHADD Martha E Hulme, St. Michael Source for above: http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php GRO Index: Death: Name: Kate Elizabeth Todd Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1897 Age at Death: 37 Registration district: Chorlton Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 559 1891 Census: Name: William Hy Todd Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Kate Todd Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Hulme Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen Town: Manchester County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Chorlton Sub-registration district: Hulme ED, institution, or vessel: 49 Piece: 3196 Folio: 60 Page Number: 31 Household Members: Name Age William Hy Todd 31 Kate Todd 31 Mary E Todd 10 William Hy Todd 4 Walter Todd 2 Elizabeth Todd 1/12 Annie Todd 6 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: eddie71 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52802.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi 1901 census has a Gertrude Todd aged 6 living at Peel Street south Manchester,her father is William Henry mother Martha Elizabeth, she is one of seven children, it looks like Martha was a second wife she is only 27 and William is 40 the two eldest sons are to old to be her children Shelagh Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: burkesusie Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52802/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for any info on Gertrude Margaret Todd who was born around 1893 in the Manchester area. Father may have been called Joseph and Mother Gertrude. Any advice on where to look would be fantastic! Many thanks! susie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jamesridin Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52800.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Fay re William Whitehouse death aged 69 , a reference to his Home or Burial,is in Middleton a district of Olham In searching further on Lancashire Birth , Marriages, and burials a Reference Midd/16A/ 57, if you copy this you might be able to find more, I think there is a fee for the Info regards jAMES Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Ailstar Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52799.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have also seen this. My conclusion is that they have confused the two wives of William Garlick....I am pretty sure that William's second wife Hannah, was a widow who was previously married to a Robert James Blackburn, and that her maiden name was Eccles. I'm pretty sure I came to this conclusion because of the fact that her children have the surname Blackburn, wheras Rosehannah's have the surname Garlick. Also the Hannah's have different birth dates. I agree that Emilie Eccles being a witness to Rosehannah's marriage in 1888 is confusing....I think I explained it away by the fact that these communities were often close-knit and that it is likely that many people had similar surnames and were distantly related. Originally I thought that Hannah Blackburn (2nd wife 1909) was the wife of Rosehannah's brother Robert James but I'm pretty sure I've found his family (father Peter Blackburn) and there is no mention of Rosehannah. I think I might contact the owner of this tree though, just to see what they say. I have also ordered the marriage certificate of Hannah Blackburn and William Garlick (1909) to see if that sheds any more light on who is who! Thanks for the reply :) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Ailstar Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52799.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Yes this is the only Rosanna I can find too, I just can't understand why her father is listed as George Blackburn on the Christening record when it so clearly states Jno on her marriage certificate!! I could just assume this is her, but I would hate for it to be wrong. Thanks for the reply :) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ChristineB313 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52799.1.1.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: On Ancestry there are a couple of trees (with the same owner) that show her as having the alternative surname Eccles. Now it could be that those trees are incorrect, many are, but it could also be that the owner knows something you don't. Such as she was illegitimate. Contacting the owner seems like a good idea. Since a witness was Emilie Eccles there is probably some connection. And William Garlick marries Hannah Blackburn/Eccles in 1909. Very confusing. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ianthompson171 Surnames: Whitehouse Classification: death Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52800.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Fay I think you would be best looking for newspapers in the area your grandfather was killed. A death on the railway would have been reported on, and there would almost certainly have been a coroner's inquest. Try the local library to see if they have newspaper archives, and if they have papers relating to coroner's inquests. Sue Thompson, Liverpool Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>