Many people had boarders or could it be a two family home? I would think BT would be the most accurate.  Electoral rolls should be right within election years.  Directories can be wrong by a year or two because the time lapse between collecting information and printing it.  I've had a few errors in directories. On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 08:16:45 +0100, Pauline Thomas wrote: Advice needed please. Just wondering what the opinion of List members is about the accuracy of Electoral rolls. Genes Reunited show my ancestor at the right address but on BT 192 the information is exactly the same but there is another occupant which is interesting. Of course with BT I will have to pay. Are the number of years my ancestor suposedly lived at the address reliable ? Any thoughts please. Kind regards Pauline Thomas Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community  

Hi Pauline ERs like many other records are as reliable as the people giving the information and those recording them Information can often be out by a year or more given they are published after the roll is taken so someone could easily move after filling in the detail And mistakes happen so what may seem like a resident in the same property at the same time may not be Genes Reunited being a sister company of Findmypast, have you looked at the information in full? As you mention 192 I assume its a relatively recent record? They should both glean their information from the same source, so should in theory be the same More than happy to look at your problem if you email me the information off list Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06/06/2019 08:16, Pauline Thomas wrote: > > Advice needed please. > > Just wondering what the opinion of List members is about the accuracy of Electoral rolls. > > Genes Reunited show my ancestor at the right address but on BT 192 the information is exactly the same but there is another occupant which is interesting. > > Of course with BT I will have to pay. > > Are the number of years my ancestor suposedly lived at the address reliable ? > > Any thoughts please. > > Kind regards Pauline Thomas

Advice needed please. Just wondering what the opinion of List members is about the accuracy of Electoral rolls. Genes Reunited show my ancestor at the right address but on BT 192 the information is exactly the same but there is another occupant which is interesting. Of course with BT I will have to pay. Are the number of years my ancestor suposedly lived at the address reliable ? Any thoughts please. Kind regards Pauline Thomas Sent from my iPad

Hi, Folks, I have received news that Jonathan ALI, a respected NW journalist, has died following a long illness. Further details are in this report - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-48476128 He was very knowledgeable about the First World War and also about its effect on the small village of Hawkshaw, north of Bury. He wrote a book about the men of Hawkshaw who died in the First World War. There was also an article in the Manchester Evening News on Saturday, 1 June. May he rest in Peace, Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.)

Churches and their denominations can be found on the GENUKI Lancashire pages https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/ And of course, loads of other useful stuff when researching Lancashire - Enjoy!

Does anyone have any information about this particular family? I am trying to trace their origins. In 1782 the baptism of a son, Matthew Brassgirdle to James and Alice Brassgirdle on 26 March at ST/Nicholas, Liverpool. There were three other children, Richard 1784, Mary Ann 1786 and Alice 1788, all baptised at the same church. James was a tallow chandler. There are other Bracegirdle events at this church later, but so far no further hits. Julie Tadman Wamuran Queensland

Many thanks Julie On Thu, 30 May 2019 at 14:00, Barbara Walker via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi JulieSt Nicholas in Liverpool is Anglican.Barbara (NZ) > > On Thursday, 30 May 2019, 1:08:06 pm NZST, Julie Tadman <julietadman@gmail.com> wrote: > > St Nicholas' Church, Liverpool > > Could one of you clever people please tell me if this church is > Catholic or Anglican? I am a little confused, as an early record does > not differentiate. > > Many thanks, > > Julie Tadman > Wamuran Queensland > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi JulieSt Nicholas in Liverpool is Anglican.Barbara (NZ) On Thursday, 30 May 2019, 1:08:06 pm NZST, Julie Tadman <julietadman@gmail.com> wrote: St Nicholas' Church, Liverpool Could one of you clever people please tell me if this church is Catholic or Anglican?  I am a little confused, as an early record does not differentiate. Many thanks, Julie Tadman Wamuran Queensland _______________________________________________ Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information.  http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

St Nicholas' Church, Liverpool Could one of you clever people please tell me if this church is Catholic or Anglican? I am a little confused, as an early record does not differentiate. Many thanks, Julie Tadman Wamuran Queensland

You're welcome Teri! -----Original Message----- From: Teri Cleaveland Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 9:43 AM To: England Lancashire email list Subject: [LAN] Re: Hopefully quick question Thank you Anne, there were a bunch of lists, but I know many aren't active. I appreciate your help! Teri On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 6:57 AM ANNE <granne@cogeco.ca> wrote: > > This is a very active group Teri: > > Somerset & Dorset Family History Society Group > > Less active: > > Somerset Present and Past (Group Revived) > > Anne in Hamilton, Ontario > > -----Original Message----- > From: Teri Cleaveland > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 9:43 PM > To: England Lancashire email list > Subject: [LAN] Hopefully quick question > > I've just added Somerset to my list of counties. There seems to be a bunch > of mailing lists available. Which is the most active/helpful for those of > you with connections in Somerset? > > _______________________________________________ Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Thank you Anne, there were a bunch of lists, but I know many aren't active. I appreciate your help! Teri On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 6:57 AM ANNE <granne@cogeco.ca> wrote: > > This is a very active group Teri: > > Somerset & Dorset Family History Society Group > > Less active: > > Somerset Present and Past (Group Revived) > > Anne in Hamilton, Ontario > > -----Original Message----- > From: Teri Cleaveland > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 9:43 PM > To: England Lancashire email list > Subject: [LAN] Hopefully quick question > > I've just added Somerset to my list of counties. There seems to be a bunch > of mailing lists available. Which is the most active/helpful for those of > you with connections in Somerset? > >

This is a very active group Teri: Somerset & Dorset Family History Society Group Less active: Somerset Present and Past (Group Revived) Anne in Hamilton, Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Teri Cleaveland Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 9:43 PM To: England Lancashire email list Subject: [LAN] Hopefully quick question I've just added Somerset to my list of counties. There seems to be a bunch of mailing lists available. Which is the most active/helpful for those of you with connections in Somerset? Thank you Teri Cleaveland ***** Ps 37:4-7 https://www.facebook.com/Cleavelandindiansonline/ ***** _______________________________________________ Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

I've just added Somerset to my list of counties. There seems to be a bunch of mailing lists available. Which is the most active/helpful for those of you with connections in Somerset? Thank you Teri Cleaveland ***** Ps 37:4-7 https://www.facebook.com/Cleavelandindiansonline/ *****

A little story from my young days in this foundry. I was asked to go next door to another small company and ask if they had any empty boxes. It was a very quite place I stood around for what seemed ages before someone came out from their back store area. So I asked him if they had some empty boxes, he then shouted at me "To sod! off". How was I to know it was an undertakers. Mike On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎May‎ ‎15‎, ‎2019‎ ‎08‎:‎41‎:‎35‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT, Penny Trueman <maudtrueman@gmail.com> wrote: So How are you fettlin' Mike? :) On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 1:45 PM Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> wrote: >  By the by. To Fettle means the removal of unwanted metal, e.g. flashings, > risers etc.from a metal casting. I was told many times to Fettle a casting > in the foundry which was based in Ancoats., > Mike MorrisToronto Canada > >

So How are you fettlin' Mike? :) On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 1:45 PM Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> wrote: > By the by. To Fettle means the removal of unwanted metal, e.g. flashings, > risers etc.from a metal casting. I was told many times to Fettle a casting > in the foundry which was based in Ancoats., > Mike MorrisToronto Canada > > ‎Wednesday‎, ‎May‎ ‎15‎, ‎2019‎ ‎05‎:‎32‎:‎48‎ ‎AM‎ ‎EDT, Phil Marsden > via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > At the risk of causing an outcry. I would say that 'fettle' means mess > around or fiddle with it until it works; 'fix' implies you know exactly > what is wrong, go straight to the problem and repair it. I'm sure you'll > the distinction I'm making - lol. ???? (Snipped) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, > and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word > UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

By the by. To Fettle means the removal of unwanted metal, e.g. flashings, risers etc.from a metal casting. I was told many times to Fettle a casting in the foundry which was based in Ancoats., Mike MorrisToronto Canada ‎Wednesday‎, ‎May‎ ‎15‎, ‎2019‎ ‎05‎:‎32‎:‎48‎ ‎AM‎ ‎EDT, Phil Marsden via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: At the risk of causing an outcry. I would say that 'fettle' means mess around or fiddle with it until it works; 'fix' implies you know exactly what is wrong, go straight to the problem and repair it. I'm sure you'll the distinction I'm making - lol.  ???? (Snipped)

From  Nodall & Milner -  A GLOSSARY OF THE LANCASHIRE DIALECT.  (1875) : FETTLE, v. to mend, improve, set right, dress. Shakspere uses the word in Rom. and J., act iii., sc. 5, line 154. citing : COLLIER.(1790) I think t' be an ostler, for I con fettle tits. Works: Tim Bobbin, p. 71. WAUGH. (1895) One neet aw crope whoam when my weighvin' were o'er, To brush mo, an' wesh mo, an' fettle my yure. Lanc.. Songs : Jamie's Frolic. B BRIERLEY (1868) Peggy:  Aw'll fot thi cooat. Should aw co at little Flanker's to get it. fettled? Or should aw try to do it misel ? Tim:    . Theau con just ha' thi own road. Iff thinks theau con fettle it, theau may try. Fratchingtons, p . 41. DR. BARBER. (1870) T' bonny lile lan'lady com in a minute, wi' her yar [hair] o' fettled wp. Forness Folk, p. 32. ------------- It is in this sense I wrote "fettle" - I understood what was wrong (Juke boxes back then relied on relays and electro-mechanical parts) and had access to the tools etc to correct the problem. So there was no "messing" or "fiddling" involved. I appreciate that your comment was humorous but we wouldn't want "furriners" to misunderstand a term with such aincient origins. BobC On 15/05/2019 10:31, Phil Marsden via LANCSGEN wrote: > Hi June, > > At the risk of causing an outcry. I would say that 'fettle' means mess around or fiddle with it until it works; 'fix' implies you know exactly what is wrong, go straight to the problem and repair it. I'm sure you'll the distinction I'm making - lol. ???? > > Best wishes, Phil. > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community -- Bob C http://www.bccy.org.uk and http://extra.bccy.org.uk

Ah we do love a battle over words don't we ;-) To Fettle means to make something ready, so to fettle an engine is to make it ready for use Also used in the foundries as has been said already, to fettle is to make the casting ready for use, knock the rough bits off etc But have also heard it used in the context of to repair So more or less everyone if right :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 15/05/2019 10:46, Pamela Simmons via LANCSGEN wrote: > Sorry Phil definitely starting an outcry!!! To Fettle is to repair something. My mother, Lancashire born & bred and a weaver in a cotton mill always referred to something needing ‘fettling’ when broken. I seem to remember her referring to the mechanic/fitter in the mill as “the fettler”. > > Regards > Pamela

I thought I had better change the title of this topic to 'Fettle'! I must admit I always thought it meant 'fix' -- or attempt to 'Fix' -- as in 'I'll fettle it' or 'he's fettled it'. However -- Phil -- I can understand that fettling something may actually mean messing about with it till it's fixed (or not) as the case may be. It's only used quite rarely now unfortunately. As a child I always thought it was spelt 'feckle'! June On Wednesday, 15 May 2019, 10:54:30 BST, John The Genes via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: Yes. My podiatrist calls herself a foot fettler. I've only ever heard fettle used to mean fix, including in drop forges when the final cleaning up of the new casting was called fettling. There's also "in fine fettle" meaning that the person so described is in excellent shape. -- John Lynch

Yes. My podiatrist calls herself a foot fettler. I've only ever heard fettle used to mean fix, including in drop forges when the final cleaning up of the new casting was called fettling. There's also "in fine fettle" meaning that the person so described is in excellent shape. -- John Lynch > > Sorry Phil definitely starting an outcry!!! To Fettle is to repair something. My > mother, Lancashire born & bred and a weaver in a cotton mill always > referred to something needing ‘fettling’ when broken. I seem to remember > her referring to the mechanic/fitter in the mill as “the fettler”. > > Regards > Pamela >