This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52834.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am sure you are already aware that there are a very nice series of documents under Masters & Mates on Ancestry, but only go up to 1861 unfortunately Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Holland1901 Surnames: Smith Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52834.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The 1871 Census record, the nearest one to her birth, has Susan born in New York so I would go with that as proof of her birthplace. I think it's unlikely you will find a birth record for her in New York or on any marine or overseas records. C Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: irene_mcgregor1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52834.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks ovington1_1 I hadn't thought of that. I do have a list of the ships and dates. I will check to see if I have a ship for that date. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52834.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In theory all births from mid 1837 should be registered but theories are fine, its the practice that falls down, from 1837 to 1874 registration was compulsory, but there was no penalty for not doing so, the onus was on the registrar to seek out the births, clearly in a rural area where the registrar knew his patch there was a better chance than in the cities, Liverpool was huge with a large population that changed daily, so not finding a registration is not a unique experience I am afraid, particularly one at sea. Do you know the ship in question? If so try and track down the log, if the master did his job he should have recorded the birth, although again far from all did Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: irene_mcgregor1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52834.1.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: That sounds logical. If she wasn't registered in Liverpool I can only think she must have been born in NY or on the ship. It seems her birth was too early to be recorded in NY and the family who knew her (all gone now) said that she was born on a ship. I think I will try for a marine birth but other than that I am stumped. She surely would have had to have been registered if born in Liverpool? Thanks for the advice Irene Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52834.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: C Births or events at sea are a grey area as far as registration are concerned, the fact the ship was in harbour is not so material, the nationality of the ship and people would be but most pertinent would be if the master recorded the event and if he then reported it on his return to England (in this case) Scotland had its own marine births register for example, so if the ship was a Scottish one, it might be registered there, in theory an event registered in Scotland may have been passed to the port of the master but that would be stretching credibility a bit far when a lot of births at sea were not recorded at all, this event would be in the early days for registration of births at sea Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: irene_mcgregor1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52834.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you ovington1_1. I will check that out. Irene Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Holland1901 Surnames: Smith Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52834.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If the ship was at New York it wouldn't be at sea though would it? If someone was born on a ship at one of the Liverpool docks the birth would be a Liverpool event not a marine event. I would doubt the NYC birth of Susan Smith was recorded as a marine event. C Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52834.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Births at sea should be registered in separate GRO indexes for British subjects The Master of the vessel should have reported the event Not all did so or were registered though In the GRO Marine births indexes No Susans but :- (Year range 1862 to 1875) SMITH (female) p10 SMITH (female) p22 SMITH (female) p26 SMITH (female) p157 SMITH (female) p168 SMITH (female) p468 Unfortunately no specific year If you asked the GRO to check and stated born at sea I would have expected them to check the above entries Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: irene_mcgregor1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52834.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you, that's helpful to know even if it wasn't the answer I hoped for. Irene Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Holland1901 Surnames: Smith Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52834.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: That's an early date for US records. It's unlikely that Susan Smith's birth was ever registered in NYC:- https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/New_York_Vital_Records C Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: irene_mcgregor1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52834.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks PamelaWagster. I do know that they lived in Alfred Street so perhaps that was the address they lived at when she was Christened. The whole thing still isn't entirely clear because the Christening record that I found on Ancestry gives her birth as 13th July. I know that's her because it also gives her Father's occupation - Master Mariner. When I sent to GRO for her birth certificate giving all this information and asking them to look at a year either side too they came back and said there was no record. The family story is that she was born onboard ship but her census records say she was born in New York. Thanks for taking the time to look anyway. Irene Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

Hello camerc The original poster is probably not subscribed to the list. To reply to a post gatewayed from the message board, click on or copy the URL included in the message (in this case, http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52824/mb.ashx) and post your replies on the message board. You need to be registered to post, but it's free and all you need is a name and valid email address. Kind regards, Lynne -----Original Message----- >From: Cherrie Cameron via <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Jul 25, 2014 6:25 AM >To: "LANCSGEN-L@rootsweb.com" <LANCSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [LAN] Joseph Eckersley, my great great grandfather, was a schoolmaster, in Hindley Wigan, in1890 > >Your message does not mention what school.  Do you have this information, and the period he was a school master at Hindley" > >camerc

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dollybird1199 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52832.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Kathleen, Thanks for your prompt reply. Unfortunately this James Gray, (the only one who seems to fit the bill) is the son of Thomas GREY. Thomas appears on many subsequent censuses, and was still alive at the time of James marriage. Without confirmation of a wife or an address it is difficult to pinpoint Edward. I cannot find any death certificate and he doesn't appear on any censuses with a son James. As you mentioned, James Gray named his first born son Edward James, perhaps after his father ? Thanks again, I just hope some family in Standish/Wigan might be able to help. I have been stuck on Edward since 1990 ! Regards David Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

Your message does not mention what school.  Do you have this information, and the period he was a school master at Hindley" camerc

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: KathleenLouiseB Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/3261.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: 1901 England Census about James Knowles Name:James Knowles Age:38 Estimated birth year:abt 1863 Relation to Head:Head Gender:Male Spouse:Eliza Knowles Birth Place:Talk 'O the Hill, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish:Widnes Ecclesiastical parish:St Mary Town:Widnes County/Island:Lancashire Street address: Registration district:Prescot Sub-registration district:Widnes ED, institution, or vessel:21 Piece:3515 Folio:112 Page Number:35 Household schedule number:201 Household Members: James Knowles 38 Eliza Knowles 29 Thomas Knowles 15 Ethel Knowles 7 William Knowles 6 Edward Knowles 2 1891 England Census about James Knowles Name:James Knowles Age:28 Estimated birth year:abt 1863 Relation:Head Gender:Male Where born:N Civil Parish:Widnes Ecclesiastical parish:St Mary Town:Widnes County/Island:Lancashire Country:England Registration district:Prescot Sub-registration district:Farnworth ED, institution, or vessel:6 Piece:3010 Folio:124 Page Number:28 Household Members: James Knowles 28 wid'r, alkali labourer Thomas Knowles 5 Mary Knowles 33 servant, widow, b St Helens Alice Knowles 3 serv, daughter b St Helens James Knowles and Eliza SPROSON married in 1892 in Prescott district William ends up in Canada and later Massachusetts Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918 about William Knowles Name: William Knowles Residence: Richmond, Quebec Birth Date: 9 Mar 1895 Birth Location: Windnes, Lancashire, England Relative: Mrs Eliza Knowles Relationship: Mother Regiment Number: 3084085 Massachusetts, Mason Membership Cards, 1733-1990 about William Knowles Name:William Knowles Birth Date:2 Mar 1895 Birth Place:Lancashire Death Date:6 Feb 1972 Last Residence Place:Holyoke Lodge:William Whiting Occupation:Plant Manager ***************** Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918 about Edward Knowles Name:Edward Knowles Residence:St Felix De Kingsey Birth Date:3 Aug 1898 Birth Location:Lancashire, England Relative:Mrs Eliza Knowles Relationship:Mother Regiment Number:748766 registered in 1917 age 17 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: KathleenLouiseB Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52832.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: as their eldest boy is named Edward would tend to believe Edward is one of their parents at least. all census have James born in Wigan, although 1901 says born Standish this may be him Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Births Dec 1850 Grey James Wigan 21 840 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: KathleenLouiseB Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52804.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page Births Dec 1851 CRANAGE Albert Yarmouth 13 379 Deaths Jun 1861 Cranage Albert Yarmouth 4b 18 **************************** Births Mar 1844 Cranage Frances Lambeth 4 218 Marriages Dec 1879 maybe yours CRANAGE Frances Goole 9c 896 to Parkin Cowling or John William Gardham not Parkin he married Mary Agnes. don't find JW and Frances together, maybe emigrated no sign of Thomas, not in Yarmouth for sure PS no N in Yarmouth Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: KathleenLouiseB Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52804.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Henry Born in 1854 in Mutford district which spans Norfolk and Suffolk so presume the father is Thomas then in 1861 Georgiana , Fanny and Henry are living in Great Yarmouth ,were there were in 1851 so unless Thomas died while away on the trains, you would think he would have died in Yarmouth Eliza dies in Yarmouth in 1861 a Georgiana dies in Yarmouth in 1863 an Albert died in Yarmouth in 1861 ********* England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Henry Cranage Name: Henry Cranage Gender: Male Baptism Date: 4 Jun 1854 Baptism Place: Thorpe-next-Norwich, Norfolk, England Father: Thomas Mother: Eliza FHL Film Number: 1472781 Reference ID: item 162 p 21 Henry dies in Brisbane Australia in 1928 James Joseph died in Norfolk in 1916 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: WHITEHALL1212 Surnames: Massey-Pass- Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/51023.3.1.1.1.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Further investigation might reveal more details on these entries. Briefly Catherine Massey the widow of Richard Massey, Weaver of Blackley - mother of Peter Massey, seems to have married a Bradley Pass in June 1764, there was a son born - Bradley junior in September 1764, baptised at St Mary, Rostherne. Cheshire Catherine Pass appears to have died in March of 1803 at the age of 78, so born 1725. Which would suggest that her first husband Richard was also born around the same date. ---A decade earlier than suggested. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>