Good Afternoon all, Or at least it is afternoon in Boise, Idaho, USA. :-) This is my family in Lancashire that I am researching. Always looking for new tidbits to add to the story. Olive Ann Browning below is my Great Grandmother and I am slowly getting the family genealogy together, low these many years. Please forgive any miss spellings or place name problems. Sometimes sources are wonky. Regards, Susan I. James Emmett was born on 15 Jul 1759 at Skipton, Yorkshire County, West Riding, England. He married Mary Bell (297), daughter of James Bell (300) and Martha ? Bell (301), on 21 Oct 1784. He died in 1827 at Barnoldswick, Yorkshire County, West Riding, England. A. John Emmott was born on 16 Apr 1790 at Kildwick-In-Crav, Skipton, Yorkshire County, West Riding, England. He was baptized on 16 Sep 1790 at Skipton, Yorkshire County, West Riding, England. He married Sarah Boothman (295), daughter of Thomas Boothman (302) and Mary Robinson (303), on 20 Oct 1821 at St. Peter, Downham, Lancashire County, England. He appeared on the census of 6 Jun 1841 at Parish of Whalley, Clitheroe, Lancashire County, England. He appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 at District 10b, Clitheroe, Lancashire County, England. He died on 2 May 1857 at Clitheroe, Lancashire County, England, at age 67. 1. Mary Ann Emmett was born on 3 Oct 1822 at Downham, Lancashire County, England. She appeared on the census of 6 Jun 1841 at Parish of Whalley, Clitheroe, Lancashire County, England. She married John Ellis (1222) on 4 Jun 1853 at St. She died on 28 Jul 1903 at Ogden, Weber County, Utah, USA, at age 80. 2. Harriet Emmett married James Riley (1223). She was born on 29 Jan 1824 at Downham, Lancashire County, England. She was baptized on 18 Apr 1824 at Downham, Lancashire County, England. She appeared on the census of 6 Jun 1841 at Parish of Whalley, Clitheroe, Lancashire County, England. She died on 20 Jun 1903 at Ogden, Weber County, Utah, USA, at age 79. 3. Martha Emmett was born on 29 Jun 1825 at Downham, Lancashire County, England. She was baptized on 24 Jul 1825 at Downham, Lancashire County, England. She appeared on the census of 6 Jun 1841 at Parish of Whalley, Clitheroe, Lancashire County, England. She died in 1880. 4. Thomas Emmett was born on 10 Sep 1827 at Downham, Lancashire County, England. He was born on 19 Sep 1827 at Downham, Lancashire County, England. He was christened on 3 Oct 1827 at Clitheroe, Downham, Whalley, Lancashire County, England. He appeared on the census of 6 Jun 1841 at Parish of Whalley, Clitheroe, Lancashire County, England. He married Nancy Hitchon (5954) on 24 Feb 1850 at Possibly, Dowhnam, Lancashire County, Lancashire, England. He immigrated on 1 Jan 1851 to Merseyside, Liverpool, Lancashire County, England. He emigrated on 25 Mar 1851 from New Orleans, Orleans County, Louisiana, USA. He died on 1 Feb 1894 at Ogden, Weber County, Utah Territory, North America, at age 66. Thomas Emmett (1218) was buried at an unknown person. 5. James Emmett was born circa 1830 at Whalley, Lancashire County, England. He died on 19 May 1886. 6. Sarah Ann Emmett was born on 23 Apr 1830 at Clitheroe, Downham, Lancashire County, England. She was christened on 7 Jul 1830 at Clitheroe, Downham, Lancashire County, England. She appeared on the census of 6 Jun 1841 at Parish of Whalley, Clitheroe, Lancashire County, England. She was baptized on 1 Dec 1847. She appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 at District 10b, Clitheroe, Lancashire County, England. She married Jonathan Browning (79), son of Edmund Lloyd Browning (279) and Sarah Allen (280), on 29 Mar 1858 at Endowment House, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake County, Utah, USA. She married Jonathan Browning (79), son of Edmund Lloyd Browning (279) and Sarah Allen (280), on 29 Mar 1859. She appeared on the census of 3 Jul 1860 at Ogden, Weber County, Utah Territory, North America. She appeared on the census of 8 Jun 1880 at 17 E. 7th, Ogden, Weber County, Utah Territory, North America. She died on 1 Apr 1918 at 573 27th, St. Ward 2, Ogden, Weber County, Utah, USA, at age 87. She was buried on 4 Apr 1918 at Ogden City Cemetery, Ogden, Weber County, Utah, USA. a) Jonathan Edmund Browning b) Thomas Samuel c) William Wallace d) Olive Ann Browning was born on 17 Mar 1863 at Ogden, Weber County, Utah Territory, North America. She was baptized on 5 Sep 1872. She appeared on the census of 8 Jun 1880 at 17 E. 7th, Ogden, Weber County, Utah Territory, North America. She married Joseph Bates Wallace (64), son of George Benjamin Wallace (78) and Lydia Davis (77), on 27 Dec 1883 at Ogden, Weber County, Utah, USA. She appeared on the census of 5 Jun 1900 at 27th St., Ogden, Weber County, Utah, USA. She appeared on the census of 15 Apr 1910 at Hyrum, Cache County, Utah, USA. She and Joseph Bates Wallace (64) appeared on the census of 10 Jan 1920 at Ogden City, Weber County, Utah, USA. She died on 22 Dec 1933 at 523 27th St, Ogden, Weber County, Utah, USA, at age 70. She was buried on 24 Dec 1933 at Ogden City Cemetery, Ogden, Weber County, Utah, USA. e) George Emmett Browning f) Benjamin Franklin Browning g) Susan Oetta Browning 7. Olive Emmett was born on 15 Dec 1832 at Parish of Whalley, Clitheroe, Downham, Lancashire County, England. She was christened on 8 Feb 1837 at Parish of Whalley, Clitheroe, Downham, Lancashire County, England. She appeared on the census of 6 Jun 1841 at Parish of Whalley, Clitheroe, Lancashire County, England. She appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 at District 10b, Clitheroe, Lancashire County, England. She married Henry Fielding (1219) circa 1852. She appeared on the census of 7 Apr 1861 at Old Hall, Clitheroe, Lancashire County, England. She died on 7 Jul 1861 at age 28. a) James Fielding was born circa 1854 at Clitheroe, Lancashire County, England. He appeared on the census of 7 Apr 1861 at Old Hall, Clitheroe, Lancashire County, England. b) Thomas Fielding was born circa 1856 at Hayfield, Derbyshire County, England. He appeared on the census of 7 Apr 1861 at Old Hall, Clitheroe, Lancashire County, England. c) John Almond Fielding was born circa 1858 at Hayfield, Derbyshire County, England. He appeared on the census of 7 Apr 1861 at Old Hall, Clitheroe, Lancashire County, England. 8. Andrew Emmett was born circa 1834 at Whalley, Lancashire County, England.

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My surnames in and around Adlington, Horwich, Haigh, Chorley, & Copppull are MAYOR GENT WHALLEY BECK WHITFIELD WOODCOCK

My goodness Lynne -- your hard nudge certainly worked! Well done and see what power you have over us. June

Thank you Bob - that is very helpful. These also became known as Filiation or Affiliation Orders and are sometimes shown under that name in local Archives. I am not sure when the name changed -- possibly after 1834 - but I really don't know. If anyone else knows I would be pleased to hear out of interest. There is some info on Genguide - but doesn't say when the change came about. https://www.genguide.co.uk/source/bastardy-documents-parish-poor-law/140/ Regards June On Tuesday, 17 September 2019, 17:31:07 BST, familyhistory <familyhistory@bccy.org.uk> wrote:

I haven’t done the dna route yet...perhaps I should. I may try going back in to that line...but so many Willian’s, James and John I have been inside Ivy cottage in Leck where my great gran lived with her parents...kind current owner invited me in when I was outside staring Sent from my iPad > On 17 Sep 2019, at 15:27, Beth Leach via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Gwynne wrote, > "My WILLAN > My great gran was Alice WILLAN born Overtown 1859-1909 christened Leck Church on 27 Feb 1859 to John Willan and Ann Wilkinson ( glasson docks) She married Lawrence Hewitt > > She had 2 brothers James and John, older than her. > > Unsure of his ancestors. But they could be > James Willan son of John and Mary in 1811 > John and Mary Dobson 1807 tunstall > James b 1787 and Ann Wharton" > > I too have Willan connections in the Burrow/Leck/Tunstall/Whittington area. The family seem to have originated from Dentdale. My 3 x great-grandmother was Jane Willan who married James > Brennan(d). She was born on March 10th 1780 and baptised in Tunstall, the daughter of James Willan and Agnes (née Redmayne) of Lower Burrow. > > I think the James who married Ann Wharton was her brother, so if John were their son he would have been my first cousin 4 x removed. There are a lot of Willans in the area. > > I have had 5 DNA matches with descendants of Jane Willan. > > Best wishes, > Beth. > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Adrian, You amy already be familiar with this but others may not and as this all started off as a call for some activity I'll post it here. From some digging I did a few months back I realised there were two different Bastardy documents with slightly different nuances. Bastardy Bonds and Bastardy Orders. A Bastardy Order is the result (normally) of court proceedings where the putative father hasn't acknowledged his parentage and the order is taken out to make him responsible for paying for the child.   Failure to pay would be a criminal matter. The Bastardy Bond, can occur when the putative father recognises his responsibility and enters into a Civil agreement to pay maintenance to the mother.   The Bond is typically entered into between the father and the Poor Law Guardians and is an agreement to pay them a lump sum in default of payment to the mother.   The significance of this would be if the mother died and the child became a charge on the Guardians.   In the case I was researching the Bond was not with the father but with (IIRC) his brother as it appeared that the father had insufficient assets to guarantee the bond and the brother effectively stood surety for him..  So if the father failed to pay the mother and the Guardians called in the bond they could sue the brother if he didn't cough up. So Orders would be found in Pretty Sessions (or possibly Magistrates Court) records whereas Bonds would be in in the Poor Law Guardians records. This is my simplification of what I found, if anyone has a fuller and more authoritative explanation do feel free to share it. BobC On 17/09/2019 14:24, Adrian Bruce wrote: > On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 at 10:17, familyhistory <familyhistory@bccy.org.uk> wrote: >> It is possible that the records for Oldham are now in the Manchester >> Archives. I had a look at their on-line catalogue at >> http://www.gmlives.org.uk/ > Rant warning: Goodness I detest that GMLIVES catalogue. Why on earth > anyone would pay someone to write a system when CALMVIEW already > exists? It's very difficult to understand what it's showing you, and > thus difficult to navigate. Rant off. > > That's an interesting suggestion Bob - Manchester had not occurred to > me, given that the Quarter Sessions records are at Preston - there are > bastardy orders for Oldham St Mary's in GB127.L185 at Manchester but > only up to 1831 (microfilm MFPR 2171, apparently). What happened then, > I wonder? Poor Law changes, I guess? Though strictly speaking that's > not for a year or two. > > Then there's Oldham Local Studies & Archives though nothing is > actually in any catalogue that I've found (YET) that suggests they > have any bastardy orders. > > Gives me something else to look at, thanks > > Adrian > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > -- Bob C http://www.bccy.org.uk and http://extra.bccy.org.uk

My surnames KING in Accrington (from Salterforth - then in West Riding but Lancs from 1974) SMITH also Accrington (Descendants of Henry Smith born Walton Chesterfield Derbyshire in 1849 - migrated about 1880) JOHNSON Farnworth (Descendants of William Samuel Altoft Johnson born York 1889) Remember spending many hours in Lancs Archives in Preston when we even had access to original PR's Took hours and hours to do the work but still have the tingle from handling those old documents. Robin

My gr gr grandfather was William Critchley born in Liverpool on 3 Nov 1816.  All I know about his parents is that his father was a John Critchley who was a mariner.  There is a Y-DNA link between my first cousin and a Critchley family who can be traced back to Penwortham. William was a carpenter and moved to London in about 1840. Bob McVicar

Gwynne wrote, "My WILLAN My great gran was Alice WILLAN born Overtown 1859-1909 christened Leck Church on 27 Feb 1859 to John Willan and Ann Wilkinson ( glasson docks) She married Lawrence Hewitt She had 2 brothers James and John, older than her. Unsure of his ancestors. But they could be James Willan son of John and Mary in 1811 John and Mary Dobson 1807 tunstall James b 1787 and Ann Wharton" I too have Willan connections in the Burrow/Leck/Tunstall/Whittington area. The family seem to have originated from Dentdale. My 3 x great-grandmother was Jane Willan who married James Brennan(d). She was born on March 10th 1780 and baptised in Tunstall, the daughter of James Willan and Agnes (née Redmayne) of Lower Burrow. I think the James who married Ann Wharton was her brother, so if John were their son he would have been my first cousin 4 x removed. There are a lot of Willans in the area. I have had 5 DNA matches with descendants of Jane Willan. Best wishes, Beth.

My Grandmother was a POUNDER, they were originally from North Yorkshire and ended up in Bolton around 1870. I know most of the one related to me but when searching censuses etc. I used see a cluster of Pounders around Burnley. I wonder if there is anyone on here related to Pounders in the Burnley area. I would like to see if there is any link to mine, it is a not uncommon name in the North East of England so probably no connection but it would be interesting to compare names, areas and perhaps even DNA. Martin Briscoe Fort William Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507)

On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 at 10:17, familyhistory <familyhistory@bccy.org.uk> wrote: > > It is possible that the records for Oldham are now in the Manchester > Archives. I had a look at their on-line catalogue at > http://www.gmlives.org.uk/ Rant warning: Goodness I detest that GMLIVES catalogue. Why on earth anyone would pay someone to write a system when CALMVIEW already exists? It's very difficult to understand what it's showing you, and thus difficult to navigate. Rant off. That's an interesting suggestion Bob - Manchester had not occurred to me, given that the Quarter Sessions records are at Preston - there are bastardy orders for Oldham St Mary's in GB127.L185 at Manchester but only up to 1831 (microfilm MFPR 2171, apparently). What happened then, I wonder? Poor Law changes, I guess? Though strictly speaking that's not for a year or two. Then there's Oldham Local Studies & Archives though nothing is actually in any catalogue that I've found (YET) that suggests they have any bastardy orders. Gives me something else to look at, thanks Adrian

Middleton, Lancashire PILLING, KENT, LIGHTFOOT, TAYLOR, TRAVIS Regards, Mary McCanney Finley ___ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

My surnames that I am researching are Bradbury and Deplich. John Deplich Bradbury 1832-1923 son of Peter Bradbury 1803-1863 and Martha Deplich 1789-1875. Peter was the son of Thomas Bradbury and Nanny (unknown). Thomas and Nanny had 10 children: Betty b. 1783; Ann b. 1785; Thomas b.1787; Amy 1788; Thomas II b. 1790; Samuel  b.1797; John b.1799; James b.1803; Peter 1803; Sally b.1806 -Chamaine Campany

My primary family names for Lancs, mostly Liverpool. Rickarby, McCartney, Hartley (Heartley), Hislop, Redmond cheers Marg Marg O’Leary Fromelles Association of Australia Hunter Valley NSW

Hi Have a lot of Lancashire interests: Me: HAWORTH – Oswaldtwistle and Haslingden BURY: Blackburn and Turton Not to mention in those areas : HACKING, BIRTWISTLE, THOMMASSON, KNOWLES, ORRELL, My husband: HALL – Middleton and Moston PILKINGTON – Moston (and Selby, YKS) MORRIS – Moston (and YKS) BOSS – Manchester (and Germany) STEWART – Ashton-under-Lyne Also BARBER, VOLP, BERRY, POLLIT For those of you who have not encountered my HAWORTH of Church and Oswaldtwistle obsession before , I have a website www.oswaldtwistle.bathgatehall.co.uk which documents the HAWORTH families of the area through the census and parish records. I also have a new project (arising from that one) which aims to plot the connections between all the families of Church and Ossy – they all seem to be linked – and that can be found as ‘Church and Oswaldtwistle’ under Ancestry public trees. It is very much a work in progress!! Fiona

Whillance is one of our connections in Gateshead ...and have contact with Frank who doe the One-name study of related names .. so will ask him Will let you know as soon as I hear Regards Robin On 17/09/2019, 09:59, "Gwynne wilson-brown via LANCSGEN" <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: My WILLAN My great gran was Alice WILLAN born Overtown 1859-1909 christened Leck Church on 27 Feb 1859 to John Willan and Ann Wilkinson ( glasson docks) She married Lawrence Hewitt She had 2 brothers James and John, older than her. Unsure of his ancestors. But they could be James Willan son of John and Mary in 1811 John and Mary Dobson 1807 tunstall James b 1787 and Ann Wharton Ring any bells? Gwynne

It is possible that the records for Oldham are now in the Manchester Archives.   I had a look at their on-line catalogue at http://www.gmlives.org.uk/ and entered "bastardy, scott" in the "any text" field - it returned two hits, one for Oldham, St Mary, though these appear to be Diocesan records)   The other is the register for Trafford Magistrates Court (and there doesn't seem to be a Scott in there). Another search for Bastardy Orders brings up Records of Oldham Magistrates Court but the Bastardy Orders referenced there seem to date from the early 1900s Their search system is not as easy to use as calmview as used by Lancashire and other County Archives so you may need to dig into this further.  Sometimes results will take a long time with no indication that anything is happening.   Bastardy Orders can often be found under a classification of Poor Law Guardians as that is who would initiate proceedings as the child could become a charge on them. HTH BobC On 16/09/2019 20:52, Adrian Bruce wrote: > OK - not a surname but a request for inspiration. > > Does anyone know where I can find details about bastardy orders issued > in the Oldham area in the 1840s? I've searched the online catalogue > for Lancashire Record Office on the two possible names of the parties, > but without success. > > -- Bob C http://www.bccy.org.uk and http://extra.bccy.org.uk

My WILLAN My great gran was Alice WILLAN born Overtown 1859-1909 christened Leck Church on 27 Feb 1859 to John Willan and Ann Wilkinson ( glasson docks) She married Lawrence Hewitt She had 2 brothers James and John, older than her. Unsure of his ancestors. But they could be James Willan son of John and Mary in 1811 John and Mary Dobson 1807 tunstall James b 1787 and Ann Wharton Ring any bells? Gwynne Sent from my iPad > On 17 Sep 2019, at 09:39, "robin@scottishwool.com" <robin@scottishwool.com> wrote: > > Hello Gwynne > What is you WILLAN connection? > Regards > > Robin > > > On 16/09/2019, 12:05, "Gwynne wilson-brown via LANCSGEN" <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > My names are for Burnley, Barnoldswick, Bacup, Blackburn, Osbastion, > > BROWN > HOYLE > ORMEROD > SIMPSON > LORD > SMITH > HEWITT > WILLAN > LITHGOW > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hello Gwynne What is you WILLAN connection? Regards Robin On 16/09/2019, 12:05, "Gwynne wilson-brown via LANCSGEN" <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: My names are for Burnley, Barnoldswick, Bacup, Blackburn, Osbastion, BROWN HOYLE ORMEROD SIMPSON LORD SMITH HEWITT WILLAN LITHGOW Sent from my iPad