A quick scan of the historic newspapers for the 1890s/1900s shows many private schools teaching shorthand and typewriting, such as "The Williams school shorthand and typewriting, 15 Lord Street, young ladies and gentlemen taught shorthand and typewriting individually, no class tuition, electric light" (Liverpool Mercury, Thursday April 27 1899) A Williams

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Here are a few to look into From Gore's Directory of Liverpool and Suburbs 1911 Teachers of Shorthand Central College of shorthand and type writing (principal Geo BIRTWHISTLE F.Inc.S.T.) 10 South John st. W Thomas DILLON 12 Esher rd, New Ferry Alex J DIXON 31 Cunard rd Lthrland W Miss Annie FREEMAN 93 Park road East Birkenhead Joseph JAKEMAN 3 Don chambers Paradise st W S Beresford LUCAS 37 Moorfields W David MIDDLETON 59 Winslow st Waltn.N. E.B.MORREY 128 Rosslyn st S William PRYCE 49 Market st Birkenhead Yost School of Typewriting and Shorthand22 North John St W Teachers of Typewriting Central College of Shorthand and Typewriting (principal Geo BIRTWHISTLE F.Inc.S.T.) 10 South John st W Remington Typewriter Co. (William PRYCE principal) 62 Dale st W Yost School of Typewriting and Shorthand22 North John St W Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/09/2019 14:14, Ruth wrote: > I have had a major breakthrough due to dna:-) > Whilst talking on the 'phone to my newly found 2nd cousin I mentioned > that MY grandmother described herself as 'Lady Clerk' on the 1911 > census, adding that I'd always wondered where she learned typing and > shorthand in Liverpool. > To my surprise my cousin said HIS grandmother was very proud of being > one of the first typists in Liverpool. Both ladies were born around > 1888. > > Could anyone suggest where these lassies might have trained? Was > there a Pitman College or similar in the city in the early 1900's? > Best wishes, Ruth.

Absolutely:-) One was mine, and I knew her all my life in Birmingham until she died, t'other was Jim's and he knew her in Liverpool, so definitely two different ladies! The thing is, we suspected mine had a brother but she would never talk about family - at all... Now we learn that her half brother,( we think half not full), would never talk about family - at all.... so we would never have found each other if we hadn't done dna tests. Early days but just wonderful!! Now, we just need to find out where they did their training, please, to fill in that hole in the life stories. Ruth in Brum. (Birmingham, England.) On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 at 15:52, Linda <vze85t8t@myfairpoint.net> wrote: > > Are you sure the two grandmothers aren't the same person? > > > > On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 14:14:43 +0100, Ruth <ruthinbrum@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have had a major breakthrough due to dna:-) > Whilst talking on the 'phone to my newly found 2nd cousin I mentioned > that MY grandmother described herself as 'Lady Clerk' on the 1911 > census, adding that I'd always wondered where she learned typing and > shorthand in Liverpool. > To my surprise my cousin said HIS grandmother was very proud of being > one of the first typists in Liverpool. Both ladies were born around > 1888. > > Could anyone suggest where these lassies might have trained? Was > there a Pitman College or similar in the city in the early 1900's? > Best wishes, Ruth. > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE > in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Are you sure the two grandmothers aren't the same person? On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 14:14:43 +0100, Ruth <ruthinbrum@gmail.com> wrote: I have had a major breakthrough due to dna:-) Whilst talking on the 'phone to my newly found 2nd cousin I mentioned that MY grandmother described herself as 'Lady Clerk' on the 1911 census, adding that I'd always wondered where she learned typing and shorthand in Liverpool. To my surprise my cousin said HIS grandmother was very proud of being one of the first typists in Liverpool. Both ladies were born around 1888. Could anyone suggest where these lassies might have trained? Was there a Pitman College or similar in the city in the early 1900's? Best wishes, Ruth. _______________________________________________ Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Had a quick look, seeing adverts for shorthand training in the early 1880s (did not look earlier) and typing in 1890. Martin Briscoe Fort William Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507) -----Original Message----- From: Ruth [mailto:ruthinbrum@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 2:15 PM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] Liverpool secretarial training in early 1900's? I have had a major breakthrough due to dna:-) Whilst talking on the 'phone to my newly found 2nd cousin I mentioned that MY grandmother described herself as 'Lady Clerk' on the 1911 census, adding that I'd always wondered where she learned typing and shorthand in Liverpool. To my surprise my cousin said HIS grandmother was very proud of being one of the first typists in Liverpool. Both ladies were born around 1888. Could anyone suggest where these lassies might have trained? Was there a Pitman College or similar in the city in the early 1900's? Best wishes, Ruth.

I have had a major breakthrough due to dna:-) Whilst talking on the 'phone to my newly found 2nd cousin I mentioned that MY grandmother described herself as 'Lady Clerk' on the 1911 census, adding that I'd always wondered where she learned typing and shorthand in Liverpool. To my surprise my cousin said HIS grandmother was very proud of being one of the first typists in Liverpool. Both ladies were born around 1888. Could anyone suggest where these lassies might have trained? Was there a Pitman College or similar in the city in the early 1900's? Best wishes, Ruth.

Hello all, I thought that readers may be interested in the following. I've recently been plotting the 'travels' of my great-grandmother Mary Jane Cann on Google Earth: quite enlightening. She had 3 illegitimate children as follows: Florence Cann Born 1897 at 9 Tunstill Square, Brierfield - mother's address 28 Union Street, Brierfield Charles Robert Cann Born 1898 at West View, Nob End, Little Lever - my grandfather William Edward Lancaster jnr Born 1902 at Parsonage Row, Prestolee - he was baptized with parents William Edward and Mary Jane In 1901 a Will Lancaster is recorded with the Cann family at 16 Mill Street, Turton In 1904 Mary Jane married William Edward Lancaster with their address given on the marriage certificate as Cheesdon Barn, Ashworth Moor, Norden: which I eventually found using the National Library of Scotland's excellent side-by-side map facility. On 24 Mar 1909 William Edward Lancaster snr dies at Toll Bar House, Simister Lane, Prestwich. The informant was Charles Brown whose address was also Toll Bar House, Simister Lane, Prestwich. On 2 Aug 1909 Mary Jane marries Charles Brown, both of Toll Bar House, Simister Lane, Prestwich. Mary Jane and Charles Brown are still at Toll Bar House in the 1911 Census. Mary Jane died at 9 Bury Old Road, Prestwich on 7 Feb 1930. I've not yet found a death for Charles Brown. And so to my question, can anyone tell me more about 9 Tunstill Square, Brierfield? Was it a facility for unmarried mothers or something similar? Good hunting, Howard Lancashire names - Cann (Devon origins), Dakin (Castleton, Derbyshire origins), Jones (Flintshire origins), Osborne (Irish origins)

Thanks, Linda. Margaret Holt married Abraham Broadley 12 aug 1722, Church, Lancs. There is an Anglican baptism for a son Abraham but I think this is a mistake for a burial as the family were Catholic and no other baptisms exist. Other records have to be used as proof of their existence, mainly wills and the 1767 Returns of Papists. There are burials of some of the other children in the Anglican registers. John Broadley married Alice Grimshaw 1690 at Accrington (Altham). All the children were baptized Anglican except two; the eldest, Abraham and the youngest son, John. Abraham was a Catholic as an adult and John was Presbyterian or Baptist. Still wondering if John Broadley was covering all his bases. > 400 > From: Linda <vze85t8t@myfairpoint.net> > Subject: [LAN] Re: Lancs families - Grimshaw - Holt > To: Lancsgen <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> > Cc: > Message-ID: <1569434783.xforuaynwg0ww448@webmail.myfairpoint.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I have a Sandra Holt who married Philip Grimshaw in my tree. Are they yours? > Also have Hargreaves but not the same family.  Mine were from Bolton, Whittle le Woods & Chorley. > > Good luck searching. > > > > On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 18:57:57 +0100, Marie Ball <marieballtov@gmail.com> wrote: > > Broadley, Whittaker, Smith, Foulds, Stansfield, Eatough, Cunliffe, > Grimshaw, Holt, Entwistle (Accrington and nearby, Great Harwood, Colne, > Burnley). Those are mine, and my husband's are Whittaker, Hargreaves > (Oswaldtwistle). Marie Ball > >

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Hi All The surnames I am researching are: France from Leigh and West Leigh area Carney from Leigh and West Leigh area Grady from Leigh and West Leigh area Tickle from Leigh and West Leigh area Nicholson from Yealand Conyer and Lancaster areas Jan in Australia

I have a Sandra Holt who married Philip Grimshaw in my tree. Are they yours?  Also have Hargreaves but not the same family.  Mine were from Bolton, Whittle le Woods & Chorley. Good luck searching. On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 18:57:57 +0100, Marie Ball <marieballtov@gmail.com> wrote: Broadley, Whittaker, Smith, Foulds, Stansfield, Eatough, Cunliffe, Grimshaw, Holt, Entwistle (Accrington and nearby, Great Harwood, Colne, Burnley). Those are mine, and my husband's are Whittaker, Hargreaves (Oswaldtwistle). Marie Ball _______________________________________________ Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community  

Broadley, Whittaker, Smith, Foulds, Stansfield, Eatough, Cunliffe, Grimshaw, Holt, Entwistle (Accrington and nearby, Great Harwood, Colne, Burnley). Those are mine, and my husband's are Whittaker, Hargreaves (Oswaldtwistle). Marie Ball

Still hoping to find LIVING connections to the family of Robert Reid and Isabella Edmond. Moved from Scotland to Burnley early 1900's Robert Arthur 1876 - Peter Edmond 1878 -1971 Andrew Graham 1880 - 1920 Helen McFarlane 1882 - 1956 Catherine Cust 1887 - 1920 Isabella Edmond 1890 - 1946 James Edmond 1891 - 1951 Also Henry 1884 - 1949 who came to Australia. I've traced and tracked as much as I can without finding a LIVING descendant. Denise

Hi Linda, Thank you for replying. William Calderbank born c1771 Alice Born c1816 Chorley Thomas born c1816 Chorley Margaret born c1818 Chorley she married Thomas Carter 10 Feb 1844 St Gregory Chapel, Chorley, Lancaster Coppull is not far away so they could well be connected. Marion Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

Hello I had posted quite a while ago about my ancestor Patrick LAWLER b1818 Wexford Ire, taking a trip from Rockford IL to Liverpool as he was the executor of his Brother in law’s estate who passed away in Liverpool. Patrick’s wife Jane nee JONES was born in Liverpool in 1818, probably baptized in St Peters father Peter Jones, a Roper/Rope Maker, and Elizabeth (maiden name unknown) Patrick Lawler and Jane Jones married in St Nicholas 1843, he son of Thomas, laborer, she dau of Peter, Roper. 1851 census shows, in West Derby, Patrick Lawler 30 b ire, Jane 31 b Liverpool, 3 children, Thomas, Hannah and Mary, and “mother” Elizabeth Lawler b Colebrookdale, Shropshire, who I suspect is Elizabeth JONES, mother in law (as Patrick’s mother is most likely Hannorah Lawler) Can’t find any of them in 1841 census. They moved to the US between 1851 and 1855 Patrick is shown travelling back to the US from England 19 July, 1892 after taking care of his brother in law, John Jones estate, which his wife received $91.80 from, and he was the executor I can’t find the wonderful emails I received regarding that estate settlement. Wonder if those who had sent me info might still be on here and read this….. Thank you in advance for any help!! Brad Behrens Sent from Mail for Windows 10 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

I have two Calderbanks who married into my lines. Do they fit yours? Edward Calderbank  b 1835 Coppull then Chorley Helen Astley Calderbank b 1891 birthplace unknown but maybe Bolton area. On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:28:15 +0000, Marion Giles <mariong62@live.co.uk> wrote: Our Lancashire family are on my husband’s side and include, Buerdsell, Blackley before 1887 Carter, Chorley before c1850, Preston from c1851 Kitchen, Preston 1997, prior to that they moved around Haighton, Myerscough, Ashton HulL, Preston Waring, Preston Calderbank, Chorley Thomas Waring married Agnes Parker in 1864 Mary Waring mother’s maiden name Parker was born in 1862 and there were 2 children prior to that Richard c1852 & Ellen c1857 I wonder if they are both Agnes’s children too? Regards, Marion Giles Sent from Mail for Windows 10 _______________________________________________ Be sure mail to the list is in PLAIN TEXT. GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Don't forget to check the Lancashire message board for new queries, links, and information. To UNSUBSCRIBE via email, send a Plain Text email with the single word UNSUBSCRIBE in both the subject and body of the message to lancsgen-leave@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community  

Larry, did you have anything to share about your THORNBER families? Cheers Mike Morris   Toronto Canada On ‎Sunday‎, ‎September‎ ‎15‎, ‎2019‎ ‎07‎:‎44‎:‎00‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT, Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> wrote: Hello Larry,I have THORNBERS on my mothers side of the family. They were from the Preston area. My records go back as far as the late 1700's. They start around 1750 with George THORNBER and his wife Ann Ward. Birth years around 1750. Two names I am following are Richard and George THORNBER Regards. Mike Morris   Toronto Canada     On ‎Sunday‎, ‎September‎ ‎15‎, ‎2019‎ ‎06‎:‎29‎:‎00‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT, Larry Couch <Larry.Couch@efca.org> wrote:  MY name is Larry Couch -- I have been on the list for several years, but have not been "in active pursuit" on genealogical research for the last several years.  Although not in active pursuit, I do watch what is posted and follow along. My Lancashire connections are on my mother's side and include:     Ellison ,Wilson , Bolton, Thornber, Leatham (snip)

Still hoping to find LIVING connections to the family of Robert Reid and Isabella Edmond. Moved from Scotland to Burnley early 1900's Denise -----Original Message----- From: lancsgen-request@rootsweb.com <lancsgen-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2019 4:13 AM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: LANCSGEN Digest, Vol 14, Issue 177 Send LANCSGEN mailing list ******************