You are very welcome, Sheila. It's my pleasure. Kindest regards, Lynne Sheila Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >It was also Mother's Day in New Zealand too. > >As Robyn says though, thanks a lot Lynne, we do appreciate your work and >that goes for all the teams as well. > >Sheila (Fife)

Hello Robyn You are most welcome. Hope you and everyone had a very nice Mother's Day, including all who celebrated on March 26. Kindest regards, Lynne Robyn Clarke <[email protected]> wrote: > >Dear Lynne, >Thank you so much for keeping us up to date each month. It is very much >appreciated from all on the List, most of us being the silent majority at >present it seems. >I'm always browsing around though, in the hope of finding some likeminded >ARMITAGE, BARNES, CLARK, TRISTRAM researchers. >It is Mothers' Day here in Australia, so to all the Mothers out there, have >a Happy Day. >Best wishes, >Robyn

It was also Mother's Day in New Zealand too. As Robyn says though, thanks a lot Lynne, we do appreciate your work and that goes for all the teams as well. Sheila (Fife)

Mother's Day is today, Sunday, in the US. Thank you for all your hard work to admins and transcribers for lancsbmd and lan-opc. On Sun, 14 May 2017 17:43:21 +0100, Sheila Smith wrote: It was also Mother's Day in New Zealand too. As Robyn says though, thanks a lot Lynne, we do appreciate your work and that goes for all the teams as well. Sheila (Fife) :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Lynne, Thank you so much for keeping us up to date each month. It is very much appreciated from all on the List, most of us being the silent majority at present it seems. I'm always browsing around though, in the hope of finding some likeminded ARMITAGE, BARNES, CLARK, TRISTRAM researchers. It is Mothers' Day here in Australia, so to all the Mothers out there, have a Happy Day. Best wishes, Robyn --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Message from John Marsden, Lancashire: New data has been added at www.lancashirebmd.org.uk as follows: Amended 35,390 Births for Hulme RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Hulme (1847-1861) Amended 5,079 Births for Bolton RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Farnworth (1869-1875) Thanks are due to my MMN team at Manchester and to Bob Winder and his team at Bolton for the above. Amended 117,141 Births for Manchester RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Manchester (1950-1965) Amended 85,798 Births for Manchester RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Ardwick (1837-1881) Added 2,979 Deaths for West Lancashire RD comprising: Ormskirk (1950-1956) Added 6,346 Deaths for St Helens RD comprising: St Helens Second (1957-1968) Thanks are due to Liz Williamson and Phil Wharram, Graham Robinson, Paula Hurst and to my own Manchester MMN indexing team for the above.

Hi listers, A few more records have been added to the Lancs OPC database. The search engine has been updated to include these records in results returned. http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 11 May 2017 Baptisms 1891 to 1898 from the Roman Catholic Church of St Alban, in the District of Ancoats, Manchester Burials 1901 to 1999 from the Church of St Margaret of Antioch, Hollinwood Marriages 1909 to 1928 from the Church of St Anne, Shevington Regards, Sally

Hello everyone For your reading pleasure, here are the subjects of posts made on the Lancashire message board in April. Perhaps a thread or two will be of interest. . . . . McAvoy family from Barrow . . . . Bank Holiday Closures . . . . Crook/Melling approx late 1800-early1900s warrington . . . . Finding Businesses from Mid 1800's . . . . Childrens home or unmarried mothers home Skelmersdale 1960's . . . . Irene Jones ( Nee Kelly) . . . . McHugh/Brown . . . . Sarah Ann Baldwin from Clitheroe, dob abt 1840 . . . . Salvation Army maternity home Elmswood Liverpool . . . . LFHHS Pendle & Burnley Branch - meeting Wednesday 19 April 2017 . . . . Pilkington Glass Archives . . . . About Richard Holmes and Thomas Holme . . . . Tontine street . . . . dates and parents of Robert Whitaker . . . . James Austin Matthews in 1901 Census . . . . ELLISON of Wigan and Ince . . . . Bruce . . . . maternity hospital at 42 High Street, chorlton upon medlock in 1919 . . . . MLFHS Bolton & District FHS Wednesday April 5th 2017 . . . . LancashireBMD - New Data . . . . Ernest & Alice CLARK Rochdale,Lancs The messages can be viewed (and replies can be posted) at http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/mb.ashx or http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/mb.ashx Like the mailing lists, the message boards are completely free. You do need to register before using the message boards, but registration only requires a name and a working email address. Many thanks to Sally for keeping us up to date on progress of the Lancashire OPC. Kind regards, Lynne

Hello all, Here are the latest records to be added to the database. The search engine has been updated to return them in search results. http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html 9 May 2017 Baptisms 1896 to 1908 from the Roman Catholic Church of the Sacred Heart, Accrington Baptisms 1813 to 1843 from Christ Church in the Parish of Ainsworth Baptisms 1813 to 1815 from the Church of St Peter, Bolton Baptisms 1910 to 1916 from the Roman Catholic Church of St Gabriel and all the Angels, Castleton, Rochdale Baptisms 1780 to 1823 from the Roman Catholic Church of St Mary, in the Parish of Chipping Marriages 1899 to 1913 from the Church of St Cuthbert, in the Parish of Darwen Marriages 1876 to 1885 from the Church of St Thomas, Eccleston, in the Parish of St Helens Baptisms 1683 to 1744, Marriages 1683 to 1734 and Burials 1683 to 1796 from the Church of St James, Haslingden Reworked from the PRs and in places using both PRs and BTs where there is damage to the Registers Baptisms 1877 to 2016 from the Church of St Mary, Hawkshaw, in the Parish of Bury Banns 1990 to 2016 and Marriages 1992 to 2016 from the Church of Emmanuel, Holcombe, in the Parish of Bury Baptisms 1874 to 1878 from the Roman Catholic Church of Our Lady of Mount Carmel and St Patrick, Oldham MIs from the Society of Friends Burial Ground, Penketh and Sankey Baptisms 1989 to 1999 from the Church of St Chad in the Parish of Poulton-le-Fylde Marriages 1900 to 1908 from the Church of St Wilfrid, in the Parish of Standish Marriages 1955 to 1961 from the Church of All Saints, in the District of Toxteth, Liverpool Marriages 1842 to 1845 from the Church of St Bride, in the District of Toxteth, Liverpool Baptisms 1947 to 1966 from the Church of St Mark, Worsley Regards, Sally

Hello Lynn, Thanks for the message, it is always interesting to know what is being talked about "up north." I hope the health problems have been resolved and that the patient is on the mend. I purchased a secondhand book this afternoon from the Oxfam book shop in Salisbury for £1.50. It is a history of Lancashire published by Phillimores of Chichester. As you know it is rare that those publishers produce anything other than good material. Regards, Rod in a cool and damp Hampshire. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Extremely late forwarding this message to you, all down to me and some family health issues which have kept me from the computer. Lynne ~ ~ ~ ~ Just a reminder that our next meeting will be on Wednesday 3rd May at 7.30pm. There is a speaker change from the one advertised on our current brochure. We have Anita Forth coming to give a talk "Edgworth to Crowthorn - the story of a Lancashire Children's Home". Some may recall Gayle McBain ran an article about Anita's findings in the BN http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/…/10984753._Hidden__items_t…/ and it was this article that intrigued us enough to get in touch with her and ask her to come and tell more. We are promised a good selection of photos and are anticipating some interesting stories. The talk will be preceded by our 10-minute Annual General Meeting where our committee for next year will be announced and David Muil, the new Manchester Chairman, is coming to meet us all. Terry Walsh from The Family History Partnership will also be bringing a selection of his genealogy based books which will be available at competitive prices. Meetings are held in the Montserrat Room, 1st Floor, Old Links Golf Club, Chorley Old Road, Bolton, BL1 5SU. (There is parking for 70 cars). Guests and potential members are sure of a warm welcome. From 7.00pm tea & coffee are available in the room, and drinks are available from the bar. Unwanted genealogy magazines and CDs can be swapped/collected at the meetings. At the end of every meeting there is a Help Desk, manned by experienced researchers, available to assist you with your genealogy problems. The meeting are free for members of the MLFHS, £2 for non-members. There is no need to book.

Mike, 1939 register has William E. ROWLANDS born 1902, and a Margaret A. ROWLANDS together in Wallasey, Cheshire. Search again for Margaret A. ROWLANDS - she was born in 1900. >From the GRO website https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp Birth Registrations: William Earnest ROWLANDS, mother HARRIS1902 June qtr, Wrexham 11b 226 Margaret Ann FLEMING, mother USHER1900 Dec.Qtr. Liverpool 8b 35 For William's parents look for a ROWLANDS - HARRIS marriage. Regards,John Hardy __________________________________ [LAN] Rowlands/FlemingFrom:mike smith [[email protected]] Date:May 1, 2017 11:43 To:<[email protected]> Hello List,I'm looking for the parents of (William) Ernest Rowlands who married Margaret Ann Fleming in June Qtr 1927 West Derby.The entry in FreeBMD only gives his name as Ernest no William mentioned. They had two children Margaret Rosalie and William Ernest.Any information on Ernest would be much appreciated.regardsMike (Very wet Porthcawl)

Hello List, I'm looking for the parents of (William) Ernest Rowlands who married Margaret Ann Fleming in June Qtr 1927 West Derby. The entry in FreeBMD only gives his name as Ernest no William mentioned. They had two children Margaret Rosalie and William Ernest.Any information on Ernest would be much appreciated. regards Mike (Very wet Porthcawl) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Mike Further to my last note, FreeBMD has the following marriage. This certificate would have both Fathers names on it, hopefully... Marriages Jun 1898 HARRIS Rosalie ROWLANDS William Corwen 11b 622a hth David -----Original Message----- From: mike smith Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 4:43 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [LAN] Rowlands/Fleming Hello List, I'm looking for the parents of (William) Ernest Rowlands who married Margaret Ann Fleming in June Qtr 1927 West Derby. The entry in FreeBMD only gives his name as Ernest no William mentioned. They had two children Margaret Rosalie and William Ernest.Any information on Ernest would be much appreciated. regards Mike (Very wet Porthcawl) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi there, The 1911 census has William Ernest ROWLANDS, age 9 living with his parents, William, 43 and Rosalie, 37. There is a sister, Violet May, 12, brother Idrus, 4 and sister Gertrude, 2. This is from the transcription page: Llwbr Y Gath Vroncysyllte Llangollen, Llangollen Rural, Merionethshire, Wales Birth place Denbigh Llangollen Address Llwbr Y Gath Vroncysyllte Llangollen Parish Llangollen Rural County Merionethshire Country Wales Archive reference RG14 Registration district Corwen Registration district number 625 Enumeration district 17 District number - Sub district Llangollen Sub district number 2 Census reference RG14PN34245 RG78PN1978 RD625 SD2 ED17 SN143 Piece number 34245 hth David -----Original Message----- From: mike smith Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 4:43 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [LAN] Rowlands/Fleming Hello List, I'm looking for the parents of (William) Ernest Rowlands who married Margaret Ann Fleming in June Qtr 1927 West Derby. The entry in FreeBMD only gives his name as Ernest no William mentioned. They had two children Margaret Rosalie and William Ernest.Any information on Ernest would be much appreciated. regards Mike (Very wet Porthcawl) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If they were down on the 1901 as married, its because they or whoever filled in the schedule stated they were The enumerator only copied what was on the schedule Its far from unusual to find such entries only to find they married years later (or never at all) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27-Apr-17 2:08 PM, Andrew Mason wrote: > Thank you to everyone that has replied to my query about my missing > females on the 1911 census. My Great-Grandmother Elizabeth Ann Dodd > did indeed marry Frederick William McDermott in October 1911 and she > was listed as Dodd and a spinster which tells us she and William > Henry Bednal were not married as is stated on the 1901 census, > whether this was because they had said they were, or the enumerator > has just surmised they were is of no consequence really, it just has

Correct Adrian, only if the enumerator had reason to believe there was false information given on the schedule would he question it But in general he would take what was on the schedule as fact As you say they simply would not have had the time to check all the details, plus the census is not compiled as a 100% accurate record of every person and their details, but rather it was known that a certain number would give inaccurate information for a number of reasons, but was largely correct for the purposes of a census Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27-Apr-17 11:54 AM, Adrian Bruce wrote: > On 27 April 2017 at 10:22, J PEPPERDINE <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ... I do not know to what extent census takers were supposed to question >> people but unless advised otherwise they seem very ready to assume that if >> a man and woman are living together they are married and any children must >> be theirs. ... >> > > My understanding is that there were no assumptions - the enumerators simply > transcribed what the house-holder had written. So yes, any claim made by > the householder that a couple were married, was simply transcribed over > into the enumerator's copy (or kept untouched in the case of the English & > Welsh 1911). > > This doesn't preclude the possibility of queries being made by the > enumerator if the answers broke the validation rules, but experiments have > demonstrated that there simply wasn't enough time to do more than put the > completed form into the bag in the vast majority of the cases. > > Adrian

Hi Sally Not quite, *all* census in England, Scotland and Wales were filled in by the head of household or whoever he/she coerced into doing it with a very small number being filled in by the enumerator as they hadn't been done The 1911 was the first not to be transcribed by the enumerator, the schedules in 1911 are in the householders own handwriting, all previous schedules 1841 to 1901 were collected in the day or so after the census, and taken home by the enumerator and transcribed onto the pages we see online today, sadly the schedules were then destroyed Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27-Apr-17 1:09 PM, sally roberts wrote: > Hi Mary. > > The 1911 census was the first one that was to be filled in by the head of the household, or at least a member of it who could read and write if I remember rightly. So whether there is an Enumerator's mistranscription going on or not, is difficult to tell. > > It is possible that the family could indeed be in a workhouse, as sometimes, names weren't recorded, just initials. They could well be hiding under those, but whether at this stage you are looking for Dodd or Bednal(l) is up for discussion. > > There was 5% of the census lost due to water damage, so you could be one of the really unlucky ones, or the returned paperwork was illegible or something was highly contestable. > > There could be many reasons why Josephine changed her name from Bedal(l) to Dodd. Maybe there was local stigma if William's mental health issues were causing problems. Maybe she found out that he wasn't her birth father and reverted to the name on her birth certificate. Maybe she was forced to for legal reasons, although I can't really see that as there wasn't such a strict need in those days to have the 'right' sort of paperwork. > > Strangely there is a marriage for an Elizabeth Ann Dodd in Albert Memorial, but it is 1911 not around 1895 and she marries a Frederick William McDermott. Her father is noted as Charles, and she is shown as 29 years of age but this will more than likely be just a coincidence of name and possible age. > > Name: Elizabeth Ann Dodd > Gender: Female > Marriage Age: 29 > Event Type:Marriage > Birth Year:abt 1882 > Marriage Date: 23 Oct 1911 > Marriage Place: Collyhurst, Albert Memorial Church, Manchester > > Regards, > Sally

Thank you to everyone that has replied to my query about my missing females on the 1911 census. My Great-Grandmother Elizabeth Ann Dodd did indeed marry Frederick William McDermott in October 1911 and she was listed as Dodd and a spinster which tells us she and William Henry Bednal were not married as is stated on the 1901 census, whether this was because they had said they were, or the enumerator has just surmised they were is of no consequence really, it just has you searching for people, marriages and other things when there’s no need to. These little things are sent to annoy all the lovely people that have genealogy as their hobby. For now I will keep looking for these Bednal/Dodd ladies in the 1911, and for now just to let everyone know, later in life Lily Bednal married a Frederick Keefe in Salford, Elizabeth Ann Bednal married Alfred Leach in Bury. My Grandmother Josephine Dodd married Albert Duckworth in Bury. Josephine and Albert Duckworth had at one time the largest family in the north west and appeared on Granada TV because of it. To film about our large family we had to go to Seedfield Secondary School in Bury, nowhere else could accommodate us all. Happy times. Thank you everyone. Mary Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

Hi Nirvard, Ah, okay, I see, thanks for the clarification on this. Regards, Sally   Hi Sally Not quite, *all* census in England, Scotland and Wales were filled in by the head of household or whoever he/she coerced into doing it with a very small number being filled in by the enumerator as they hadn't been done The 1911 was the first not to be transcribed by the enumerator, the schedules in 1911 are in the householders own handwriting, all previous schedules 1841 to 1901 were collected in the day or so after the census, and taken home by the enumerator and transcribed onto the pages we see online today, sadly the schedules were then destroyed Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)