Hello Bill, With John's suggestion in hand, GRO - I have found a THOMAS BOOT born 1867 Mother's maiden name JOHNSON District Manchester and as well, ELIZA ANN BOOT 1869 Manchester Mother's maiden name JOHNSON. As well, AGNES 1871 (Boote) and SUZANNAH (Boot) 1874 with Mother's Maiden name JOHNSON. However, I have not found a Marriage for your couple Thomas and Agnes, or for a BOOT and JOHNSON. Is it possible they were not married, with one or other previously married. Hope this helps a little. The family is found in 1871 and 1881 census in Salford. Thomas Samuel Boot is a Chimney Sweep. Cheers, Robyn --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Born Ashton under Lyne: Thomas Boot born 1840 mothers maiden name Johnson. Also a daughter Hannah born 1838 with mother's maiden name of Johnson Source: http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/ Born Manchester: Eliza Boot born 1843 Ardwick William Boot born 1846 Ardwick Thomas Boot born 186 7 Ancoats All have Johnson as Mothers maiden name Source: http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/ jeff

Bill With the GRO it doesn't matter what the religion as it is possible that they married in a registry office if they were Catholic. There is nothing on any of the commercial sites (a much better option than FreeBMD) for Thomas BOOT and Agnes JOHNSON or Thomas BOOT and just Agnes. So what makes you think that they are the names of GG Grandparents. One of the biggest problems pre 1911 is that the mothers maiden name is not quoted in GRO birth indexes. This problem was partly solved last year with the release by the GRO themselves of their own indexes to births (1837-1915) and deaths (1837-1959) both of these have the missing information from indexes on places like FreeBMD. And before you ask FreeBMD and the others will not be able to get it. So if you have a child you can check the mothers maiden name using https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp You will need to register but that is free. Let us know what else you know about them and your G Grandparents (there children) so that we can hopefully be of more help. Regards John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk New family history conference in 2018 http://www.secretlives.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: LANCSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of William Dunbar Sent: 26 August 2017 03:35 To: [email protected] Subject: [LAN] Boot- Johnson Marriage Hello: Trying to find a marriage record for my GG Grandparents- Thomas Boot and Agnes Johnson ca 1861-62 probably in Ashton Under Lyne or Ancoats. No record at Free BMD. Are there other places to search? Possibly they were Catholic but not certain. Any help or suggestions appreciated. Regards- Bill in Montana :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello: Trying to find a marriage record for my GG Grandparents- Thomas Boot and Agnes Johnson ca 1861-62 probably in Ashton Under Lyne or Ancoats. No record at Free BMD. Are there other places to search? Possibly they were Catholic but not certain. Any help or suggestions appreciated. Regards- Bill in Montana

Hi Bill, Re: "Hello: Trying to find a marriage record for my GG Grandparents- Thomas Boot and Agnes Johnson ca 1861-62 probably in Ashton Under Lyne or Ancoats. No record at Free BMD. Are there other places to search? Possibly they were Catholic but not certain. Any help or suggestions appreciated. Regards- Bill in Montana" I can't help you with the marriage, but this may be the applicable 1871 census page (RG10/4034 f72 p9) below: First name(s) Last name - Relationship - Marital status - Gender - Age - Birth year - Occupation - Birth place Thomas Boot - Head - M - Male - 30 - 1841 - Chimney Sweep - Ashton Agnes Boot - Wife - M - Female - 30 - 1841 - - - Manchester Harriet Boot - Daughter - - - Female - 10 - 1861 - Scholar - Manchester Thomas Boot - Son - - - Male - 4 - 1867 - - - Manchester Eliza Boot - Daughter - - - Female - 2 - 1869 - - - Manchester Agnes Boot - Daughter - - - Female - 0 - 1871 - - - Manchester and if the above is correct, this 1881 page (RG11/3941 f93 p6) should be correct as well. First name(s) Last name - Relationship - Marital status - Gender - Age - Birth year - Occupation - Birth place Thomas Boot - Head - Married - Male - 41 - 1840 - Chimney Sweep - Manchester, Lancashire Agnes Boot - Wife - Married - Female - 39 - 1842 - - - Manchester, Lancashire Thomas Boot - Son - Single - Male - 13 - 1868 - Scholar - Manchester, Lancashire Agnes Boot - Daughter - Single - Female - 8 - 1873 - Scholar - Manchester, Lancashire Susannah Boot - Daughter - Single - Female - 6 - 1875 - Scholar - Manchester, Lancashire This may be the 1861 (RG9/2979 f64 p22) First name(s) Last name - Relationship - Marital status - Gender - Age - Birth year - Occupation - Birth place John Mathew - Head - Married - Male - 49 - 1812 - Pork Butcher - Manchester, Lancashire Eliza Mathew - Wife - Married - Female - 54 - 1807 - Pork Butcher wife - Manchester, Lancashire, Thomas Boot - Stepson - Unmarried - Male - 21 - 1840 - Chimney Sweeper - Ashton Lancashire Eliza Boot - Stepdaughter - Unmarried - Female - 19 - 1842 - Charwoman - Manchester, Lancashire If, in fact, the 1871 page is correct, these birth certificates would be essential to your search Births Sep 1840 Boot Thomas Ashton &c 20 6 (will give Eliza's maiden, and name father to hopefully open the 1851 and '41) and Births Mar 1867 BOOT Thomas Manchester 8d 147 (will verify Agnes's maiden name) Let me know if anything works... ttys David Wightmore - Edmonton, Canada

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Hello Listers, Here are the latest records to be added to the Lancs OPC website. The search engine has been updated to include returns from these databases. http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 14 Aug 2017 Banns 1896 to 1900 from the Church of St James, Accrington Burials 1834 to 1837 from the Church of St Michael and All Angels in the Parish of Ashton under Lyne Baptisms 1778 to 1812 and Marriages 1941 to 1949 from the Church of St John the Baptist, in the Parish of Atherton Baptiams have been reworked from a new source and new entries have been added Burials 1794 to 1837 from Mount Pleasant Wesleyan, Bacup Baptisms 1872 to 1892 from the Church of All Saints, Nova Scotia, Blackburn Baptisms 1869 to 1922 from the Church of St Peter, Blackburn Reworked to replace BTs with PRs Baptisms 1785 to 1791 from the Lower Chapel, in the Parish of Darwen Baptisms for 1785-1791 have been reworked using additional material from another source. They are now part of the register for 1785-1794. Baptisms 1741 to 1764 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Eccles Burials 1813 to 1833 from the Church of St Luke (formerly St Wilfrid), Farnworth, Widnes Baptisms 1895 to 1902 from the Church of St Aidan, in the district of Kirkdale, Liverpool Banns 1883 to 1930 from the Church of the Holy Trinity, Prestolee Baptisms 1861 to 1868 from the Church of St Elphin in the Parish of Warrington Burials 1924 to 1944 from Whitworth Cemetery, Whitworth Regards, Sally

The next meeting of Pendle and Burnley Branch of Lancashire Family History & Heraldry Society will be on Wednesday 16th August when the subject will be “The History of Lancaster Castle” given by Dr Graham Kemp in the meeting room at Colne Library, starting at 7.30pm - doors open at 7pm. Dr Graham is the Assistant Manager at the castle, and also a castle guide. The talk will include why the castle sits at the heart of the history of Lancashire. All welcome. The meeting room is upstairs but there is a lift available. The address is Market Street, Colne, Lancashire, BB8 0AP Please note: Colne Library closes at 6pm. The meeting room is accessed via the rear entrance by the car park which is free in the evenings. See the website http://www.lfhhs-pendleandburnley.org.uk for further information. -- Colin Spiller [email protected]

Hi John, I did get it mixed up, I thought you were asking about the marriage. Regards, Mike Morris Toronto Canada From: John Hanson <[email protected]> To: 'Mike Morris' <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 12:23 AM   If you check my message you will notice that I did not mention FreeBMD. I was not questioning where the marriage came from - just the name of the church <snip>

John I have sent you a personal email I found which church the marriage took place at via the Lancashire BMD site Sue

Mike If you check my message you will notice that I did not mention FreeBMD. I was not questioning where the marriage came from - just the name of the church FreeBMD does not give that information but the others would. Regards John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk New family history conference in 2018 http://www.secretlives.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: LANCSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Morris Sent: 10 August 2017 00:39 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAN] request St Matthews Preston ________________________________ From: Mike Morris <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [LAN] request St Matthews Preston Hello John, The record appears in the English BMD ______________________________ Marriages Sep 1914 (>99%) ________________________________ BUXTON Annie Kneill Preston 8e 1323 KNEILL Albert E Buxton Preston 8e 1323 Regards, Mike Morris Toronto Canada ________________________________ From: John Hanson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 6:37 PM The marriage does not appear in Lancashire BMD, Lancashire OPC or on Ancestry. Where did you get that it was St Matthews from? If anybody has access to marriage records for St Matthews Preston, would appreciate fathers names from marriage of Annie Buxton to Albert E Kneill September qtr 1914 <snip> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

________________________________ From: Mike Morris <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [LAN] request St Matthews Preston Hello John, The record appears in the English BMD ______________________________ Marriages Sep 1914 (>99%) ________________________________ BUXTON Annie Kneill Preston 8e 1323 KNEILL Albert E Buxton Preston 8e 1323 Regards, Mike Morris Toronto Canada ________________________________ From: John Hanson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 6:37 PM The marriage does not appear in Lancashire BMD, Lancashire OPC or on Ancestry. Where did you get that it was St Matthews from? If anybody has access to marriage records for St Matthews Preston, would appreciate fathers names from marriage of Annie Buxton to Albert E Kneill September qtr 1914 <snip>

Sue The marriage does not appear in Lancashire BMD, Lancashire OPC or on Ancestry. Where did you get that it was St Matthews from? Regards John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk New family history conference in 2018 http://www.secretlives.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: LANCSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Chapman Sent: 09 August 2017 18:47 To: [email protected] Subject: [LAN] request St Matthews Preston Hello If anybody has access to marriage records for St Matthews Preston, would appreciate fathers names from marriage of Annie Buxton to Albert E Kneill September qtr 1914 Thanks in advance Sue <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai gn=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai gn=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm very sorry -- that was the wrong marriage, wasn't it? -- John Lynch > -----Original Message----- > From: LANCSGEN [mailto:lancsgen- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of > John The Genes > Sent: 09 August 2017 19:29 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LAN] request St Matthews Preston > > I've just [posted the marriage cert. If you don't see it, give me your own email > address. > -- > John Lynch > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: LANCSGEN [mailto:lancsgen- > > [email protected]] On Behalf > Of > > Susan Chapman > > Sent: 09 August 2017 18:47 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [LAN] request St Matthews Preston > > > > Hello > > > > If anybody has access to marriage records for St Matthews Preston, > > would appreciate fathers names from marriage of Annie Buxton to Albert > > E Kneill September qtr 1914 > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Sue > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig- > > email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig- > > email&utm_content=webmail> > > Virus-free. > > www.avast.com > > <https://www.avast.com/sig- > > email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig- > > email&utm_content=webmail> > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > Really Useful Sources: > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.h > > t > > m > > > > Contact the list administrator at [email protected] > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANCSGEN- > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Really Useful Sources: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.ht > m > > Contact the list administrator at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANCSGEN- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

I've just [posted the marriage cert. If you don't see it, give me your own email address. -- John Lynch > -----Original Message----- > From: LANCSGEN [mailto:lancsgen- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of > Susan Chapman > Sent: 09 August 2017 18:47 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [LAN] request St Matthews Preston > > Hello > > If anybody has access to marriage records for St Matthews Preston, would > appreciate fathers names from marriage of Annie Buxton to Albert E Kneill > September qtr 1914 > > Thanks in advance > > Sue > > <https://www.avast.com/sig- > email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig- > email&utm_content=webmail> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig- > email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig- > email&utm_content=webmail> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Really Useful Sources: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.ht > m > > Contact the list administrator at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANCSGEN- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

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Hi Lynne, Thanks as always for downloading the message board lists for us. At present I'm on hold, licking my wounds, just over BC again and now broken shoulder....so I'm not on holidays, just sitting quietly for a while, can read but one handed typing and everything else is so frustrating!! Cheers, Robyn -----Original Message----- From: LANCSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:54 PM To: Undisclosed recipients: Subject: [LAN] Lancashire message board posts July 2017 Hello everyone Extremely quiet on the lists. Is everyone on holiday? If not, perhaps some of these posts from the Lancashire message board will arouse your interest and stimulate some conversation. . . . Anderson or Graveson Eccles / Barton . . . Edward Gerard Hughes (born 1833, Salford - died 1901 Whitehaven) . . . Mason/Walsh/McCann Eccles Barton . . . Potter family from Preston and surrounding areas . . . SINGLETON and HARRISON marriage 1939 Aintree Liverpool . . . norris . . . 126 Smithdown Road, Liverpool . . . Robert Ibbotson and family, Blackburn . . . Frances GRISEDALE nee HOLLAND, Bolton and Manchester . . . Joseph Burgess and Mary Ellen Unknown . . . TOPPS (cotton manufaturers) Farnworth, Lancs . . . Joseph Burgess and Mary Ellen Unknown . . . RUFFLER 1883 Bootle . . . Lambert and Birchall (Ashton in Makerfield) . . . spouse of james daswon, sarah hopkins or atkins discrepancy . . . Speak and Bracewell families (Colne, Lancashire) . . . Childrens home or unmarried mothers home Skelmersdale 1960's . . . Surnames > Large, Larkin, Wright . . . William Hartington of Fairfield, Bury (M: Jane Edmundson) . . . Thomas WHITEHEAD of Manchester, England 28 Feb 1844-? . . . WARING & GILLOW in Liverpool . . . St Mary's Cemetery Kirkdale Liverpool The messages can be viewed (and replies can be posted) at http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/mb.ashx or http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/mb.ash x Like the mailing lists, the message boards are completely free. You do need to register before using the message boards, but registration only requires a name and a working email address. If you use the boards, you may have noticed lately that attachments cannot be viewed. As of this morning, that glitch appears to have been fixed (but don't hold me to that!) Kind regards, Lynne :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hello everyone Extremely quiet on the lists. Is everyone on holiday? If not, perhaps some of these posts from the Lancashire message board will arouse your interest and stimulate some conversation. . . . Anderson or Graveson Eccles / Barton . . . Edward Gerard Hughes (born 1833, Salford - died 1901 Whitehaven) . . . Mason/Walsh/McCann Eccles Barton . . . Potter family from Preston and surrounding areas . . . SINGLETON and HARRISON marriage 1939 Aintree Liverpool . . . norris . . . 126 Smithdown Road, Liverpool . . . Robert Ibbotson and family, Blackburn . . . Frances GRISEDALE nee HOLLAND, Bolton and Manchester . . . Joseph Burgess and Mary Ellen Unknown . . . TOPPS (cotton manufaturers) Farnworth, Lancs . . . Joseph Burgess and Mary Ellen Unknown . . . RUFFLER 1883 Bootle . . . Lambert and Birchall (Ashton in Makerfield) . . . spouse of james daswon, sarah hopkins or atkins discrepancy . . . Speak and Bracewell families (Colne, Lancashire) . . . Childrens home or unmarried mothers home Skelmersdale 1960's . . . Surnames > Large, Larkin, Wright . . . William Hartington of Fairfield, Bury (M: Jane Edmundson) . . . Thomas WHITEHEAD of Manchester, England 28 Feb 1844-? . . . WARING & GILLOW in Liverpool . . . St Mary's Cemetery Kirkdale Liverpool The messages can be viewed (and replies can be posted) at http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/mb.ashx or http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/mb.ashx Like the mailing lists, the message boards are completely free. You do need to register before using the message boards, but registration only requires a name and a working email address. If you use the boards, you may have noticed lately that attachments cannot be viewed. As of this morning, that glitch appears to have been fixed (but don't hold me to that!) Kind regards, Lynne

Meg The reply now exists on both lists as I posted it to the Lancs list as well Regards John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk New family history conference in 2018 http://www.secretlives.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: LANCSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 31 July 2017 08:40 To: 'Lynne'; [email protected] Subject: [Norton AntiSpam]Re: [LAN] Walton I tried that and didn't seem to be able to find it so I will have to have another look. Meg -----Original Message----- From: LANCSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: 30 July 2017 20:53 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAN] Walton Hi Meg and all You need not be a member of the Preston list to read the response. Just have a look at that list's archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ENG-LANCS-PRESTON/2017-07 Lyn, cross-posting can cause problems. Best to post a query to a single list and then, if you don't get a response, post to another list. Kind regards, Lynne list admin. [email protected] wrote: > >As a non-member of the Preston list I would love to see the 'considered >response' as I tried a few look-ups on this one and didn't get far at >all, including finding different information regarding a John Walton >living as a boarder in the 1901 census. As a learning experience is it >possible to post the response here for us all to see? > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A useful reminder for all of us: "Before You Post that Query", a genealogy tip of the day at http://genealogytipoftheday.com/index.php/2017/07/20/before-you-post-that-query/ There are links there to some other useful postings, although most are regarding American family research. Lynne