Hi Stuart For starters, are you sure you have found burials? or are they from a monumental inscription? Monuments often carry names for people buried elsewhere The only Douglas I came across is in Eccleston, and comes under Prescot for civil registration, however as has been said, the "Douglas" may be a usual residence rather than the place of death If the rest of the family survived Charles have you found them in the 1901 & 1911 census ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27-Sep-17 12:20 AM, Stuart Adam wrote: > I hope this is the right list for this query - I am researching descendants of John McQueen [MacQueen] who migrated from Renfrewshire in the 1860s and son Charles McQueen is troubling me. > John McQueen (1846-1900) and Mary Rudd (1843-1919) > Four Children: > Charles McQueen b 10 Nov 1869 Burnage > Jessie Blake nee McQueen (1872-1948) > John Rudd McQueen (1875-1937) > James McQueen (1882-1913) > > I found a marriage for Charles in 1892 in New Bedford, Massachussetts, USA (to Elizabeth Hill age 19 b Eng) and after that no trace. Then I discovered four McQueens including father John, mother Mary, son James in the Sale Cemetery Burial Register. The first McQueen was son Charles McQueen with a burial date 21-Feb-1900 - it must be our Charles as he is in the same plot as dad, mum, and brother. The residence is given as "Douglas" age 30. > > However, I am unable to find a record for Charles in the death indexes ... My geography of Lancashire isn't great but I've worked out Douglas is near Ormskirk. I'm looking for suggestions why this death record isn't in the indexes. In 1900 I didn't think it was possible to bury someone without registering the death? > > Thanks for any advice the list may be able to offer > Stuart

Stuart It always helps with these to quote your sources. I assume that you are talking about "Sale Cemetery" in the greater Manchester collection on Deceased online? I also assume that you have looked at the full records to ensure that they are in fact all buried in the same plot. Also your original email has Charles's age in 1900 as 30 but the one in the indexes in 1902 is 58. Distance at that time was not really an option. A lot of people in London are buried in Brookwood cemetery in Woking Surrey and there was a special train service that ran to take the mourners and coffin there. Also remember that burial registers are only as good as the person giving the information and what goes in there is often their normal place of residence not where they died. Had you thought that Douglas might refer to the Isle of Man? Check out https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Isle_of_Man_Civil_Registration if it is the Isle of Man then it would not be in the England/Wales records As you say you could not bury someone without a death certificate There is an alternative to GRO indexes in the UKBMD projects and specifically LancashireBMD but it is far from complete being up to the individual registrar as to whether they participate. Have a look at http://lancashirebmd.org.uk Regards John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk New family history conference in 2018 http://www.secretlives.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: LANCSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stuart Adam Sent: 27 September 2017 00:21 To: [email protected] Subject: [LAN] Charles McQueen I hope this is the right list for this query - I am researching descendants of John McQueen [MacQueen] who migrated from Renfrewshire in the 1860s and son Charles McQueen is troubling me. John McQueen (1846-1900) and Mary Rudd (1843-1919) Four Children: Charles McQueen b 10 Nov 1869 Burnage Jessie Blake nee McQueen (1872-1948) John Rudd McQueen (1875-1937) James McQueen (1882-1913) I found a marriage for Charles in 1892 in New Bedford, Massachussetts, USA (to Elizabeth Hill age 19 b Eng) and after that no trace. Then I discovered four McQueens including father John, mother Mary, son James in the Sale Cemetery Burial Register. The first McQueen was son Charles McQueen with a burial date 21-Feb-1900 - it must be our Charles as he is in the same plot as dad, mum, and brother. The residence is given as "Douglas" age 30. However, I am unable to find a record for Charles in the death indexes ... My geography of Lancashire isn't great but I've worked out Douglas is near Ormskirk. I'm looking for suggestions why this death record isn't in the indexes. In 1900 I didn't think it was possible to bury someone without registering the death? Thanks for any advice the list may be able to offer Stuart :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator at [email protected]web.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Allegedly On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:30 AM, Penny Trueman <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Stuart - probably this isn't what you are looking for but there Is > death registered in Preston in the June 1/4 of 1902 for a Charles McQueen, > Volume 08E Page 432, aged 58. > > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:20 AM, Stuart Adam <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I hope this is the right list for this query - I am researching >> descendants of John McQueen [MacQueen] who migrated from Renfrewshire in >> the 1860s and son Charles McQueen is troubling me. >> John McQueen (1846-1900) and Mary Rudd (1843-1919) >> Four Children: >> Charles McQueen b 10 Nov 1869 Burnage >> Jessie Blake nee McQueen (1872-1948) >> John Rudd McQueen (1875-1937) >> James McQueen (1882-1913) >> >> I found a marriage for Charles in 1892 in New Bedford, Massachussetts, >> USA (to Elizabeth Hill age 19 b Eng) and after that no trace. Then I >> discovered four McQueens including father John, mother Mary, son James in >> the Sale Cemetery Burial Register. The first McQueen was son Charles >> McQueen with a burial date 21-Feb-1900 - it must be our Charles as he is in >> the same plot as dad, mum, and brother. The residence is given as >> "Douglas" age 30. >> >> However, I am unable to find a record for Charles in the death indexes >> ... My geography of Lancashire isn't great but I've worked out Douglas is >> near Ormskirk. I'm looking for suggestions why this death record isn't in >> the indexes. In 1900 I didn't think it was possible to bury someone without >> registering the death? >> >> Thanks for any advice the list may be able to offer >> Stuart >> >> >> >> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: >> >> Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.roo >> tsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm >> >> Contact the list administrator at [email protected] >> >> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Hi Stuart - probably this isn't what you are looking for but there Is death registered in Preston in the June 1/4 of 1902 for a Charles McQueen, Volume 08E Page 432, aged 58. On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:20 AM, Stuart Adam <[email protected]> wrote: > I hope this is the right list for this query - I am researching > descendants of John McQueen [MacQueen] who migrated from Renfrewshire in > the 1860s and son Charles McQueen is troubling me. > John McQueen (1846-1900) and Mary Rudd (1843-1919) > Four Children: > Charles McQueen b 10 Nov 1869 Burnage > Jessie Blake nee McQueen (1872-1948) > John Rudd McQueen (1875-1937) > James McQueen (1882-1913) > > I found a marriage for Charles in 1892 in New Bedford, Massachussetts, USA > (to Elizabeth Hill age 19 b Eng) and after that no trace. Then I > discovered four McQueens including father John, mother Mary, son James in > the Sale Cemetery Burial Register. The first McQueen was son Charles > McQueen with a burial date 21-Feb-1900 - it must be our Charles as he is in > the same plot as dad, mum, and brother. The residence is given as > "Douglas" age 30. > > However, I am unable to find a record for Charles in the death indexes ... > My geography of Lancashire isn't great but I've worked out Douglas is near > Ormskirk. I'm looking for suggestions why this death record isn't in the > indexes. In 1900 I didn't think it was possible to bury someone without > registering the death? > > Thanks for any advice the list may be able to offer > Stuart > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ > lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm > > Contact the list administrator at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Penny - thanks for trying I discounted that Charles 2 years out, Wrong quarter, 30 miles away, wrong age I have checked the index image pages and there is no good candidate in the image Are there any alternative indexes of the registrars books at the local registrar? Am I correct in assuming that a Douglas death would be registered in Ormskirk, even if burial is in Sale? Regards Stuart From: LANCSGEN <[email protected]> on behalf of Penny Trueman <[email protected]> Sent: 26 September 2017 19:41 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAN] Charles McQueen   Allegedly On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:30 AM, Penny Trueman <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Stuart - probably this isn't what you are looking for but there Is > death registered in Preston in the June 1/4 of 1902 for a Charles McQueen, > Volume 08E  Page 432, aged 58. > > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:20 AM, Stuart Adam <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I hope this is the right list for this query - I am researching >> descendants of John McQueen [MacQueen] who migrated from Renfrewshire in >> the 1860s and son Charles McQueen is troubling me. >> John McQueen (1846-1900) and Mary Rudd (1843-1919) >> Four Children: >> Charles McQueen b 10 Nov 1869 Burnage >> Jessie Blake nee McQueen (1872-1948) >> John Rudd McQueen (1875-1937) >> James McQueen (1882-1913) >> >> I found a marriage for Charles in 1892 in New Bedford, Massachussetts, >> USA (to Elizabeth Hill age 19 b Eng) and after that no trace.  Then I >> discovered four McQueens including father John, mother Mary, son James in >> the Sale Cemetery Burial Register. The first McQueen was son Charles >> McQueen with a burial date 21-Feb-1900 - it must be our Charles as he is in >> the same plot as dad, mum, and brother.  The residence is given as >> "Douglas" age 30. >> >> However, I am unable to find a record for Charles in the death indexes >> ... My geography of Lancashire isn't great but I've worked out Douglas is >> near Ormskirk.  I'm looking for suggestions why this death record isn't in >> the indexes. In 1900 I didn't think it was possible to bury someone without >> registering the death? >> >> Thanks for any advice the list may be able to offer >> Stuart >> >> >> >> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: >> >> Really Useful Sources:  http://freepages.genealogy.roo >> tsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm >> >> Contact the list administrator  at [email protected] >> >> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources:  http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/images/unionjack.jpg Really Useful Sources - Ancestry.com freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com Message from the creator of Really Useful Sources' creator, John Gough: This list of genealogy sources was originally prepared for the benefit of newcomers to ... Contact the list administrator  at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hello all, Here are the latest records to be added to the Lancs OPC website. The search engine has been updated to include them in any returns. http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 20 Sep 2017 We are looking for a few more volunteers to help with register photography, mainly at Preston and Manchester. See details of what this involves. Baptisms 1899 to 1906 from the Church of All Saints, Nova Scotia, Blackburn Banns 1927 to 1941 from the Church of St James in the Parish of Burnley Admissions 1916 to 1919 from Burnley Workhouse Baptisms 1823 to 1856 from the Roman Catholic Church of St Mary, in the Parish of Chipping Burials 1826 to 1914 from the Church of St Barnabas, Heapey Marriages 1837 to 1844 and Burials 1902 to 2013 from the Church of Emmanuel, Holcombe, in the Parish of Bury Baptisms 1960 to 1976 from the Church of St Chad in the Parish of Poulton-le-Fylde Baptisms 1905 to 1916 from the Roman Catholic Church of St John the Baptist, Rochdale Regards, Sally

Hello all, Here are the latests records to be added to the Lancs OPC website. The search engine has been updated to include these in any returns. http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 15 Sep 2017 Baptisms 1833 to 1834 from the Church of St Michael and All Angels in the Parish of Ashton under Lyne Baptisms 1871 to 1881 from St James Free Church, in the Parish of Atherton This Register has been reworked from a new source and contains additional entries Baptisms 1868 to 1989 and Marriages 1870 to 1985 from the New Jerusalem Church, Clayton le Moors A new source extends the years covered and presents many new entries Confirmations 1899 to 1924 and 1950 to 1979 from the Church of the Holy Trinity, Habergham Eaves, in the Parish of Burnley Reworked to correct some problems Baptisms 1878 to 1887 from the Roman Catholic Church of Our Lady of Mount Carmel and St Patrick, Oldham Baptisms 1883 to 1897 from the Roman Catholic Church of the Mother of God & St James, Pendleton Marriages 1907 to 1933 from the Church of St Chad in the Parish of Poulton-le-Fylde Marriages 1942 to 1948 from the Church of St Michael in the Parish of St Michael's on Wyre Baptisms 1728 to 1812 from the Church of St Anne, Copp in the Parish of St Michael's on Wyre These Registers have been reworked with corrections and new entries Baptisms 1868 to 1875 from the Church of St Elphin in the Parish of Warrington Baptisms 1867 to 1870 and Marriages 1870 from Christ Church, in the District of Waterloo, Liverpool Marriages 1943 to 1950 from the Church of St Mark, Worsley The OPC are looking for a few more volunteers to help with register photography, mainly at Preston and Manchester. See details of what this involves by clicking on the link on the website page. Regards, Sally

Many thanks Sally to you and all the Parish Clerks. Pauline

  Hello Colin , wonder if anyone in your group are researching JOHNSON and SANDERSON from Burnley/Nelson ,      My ancestor William JOHNSON had a sibling Eli who married Ellen DUGDALE in Burnley , i know there are living descendants there somewhere !Kind regards from Down Under         Brian Johnson      ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] [email protected] To: Cc: Sent:Fri, 15 Sep 2017 15:48:57 +0100 Subject:[LAN] LFHHS Pendle & Burnley Branch - meeting Wednesday 20 September in Colne The next meeting of Pendle and Burnley Branch of Lancashire Family History & Heraldry Society will be on Wednesday 20th September when Dave Joy will tell us all about "Liverpool Cow-keepers" in the meeting room at Colne Library, starting at 7.30pm - doors open at 7pm. All welcome. Dave's talk uses material from his own family history to tell the story of the Yorkshire farmers who relocated to Liverpool during the mid-1800s to keep cows in their backyards to sell fresh milk to the city's growing population. He will be bringing books to sell/ sign.  Two titles:  "Liverpool Cowkeepers" and "My Family and Other Scousers" He has a website: www.davejoy-author.com The address of the venue is Market Street, Colne, Lancashire, BB8 0AP. The meeting room is upstairs but there is a lift. Please note: Colne Library closes at 6pm. The meeting room is accessed via the rear entrance by the car park which is free in the evenings. See the website http://www.lfhhs-pendleandburnley.org.uk for further information -- Colin Spiller [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Brian Thanks for asking.  I don't know but I will get someone to ask at the meeting for you. Colin  Sent from my Samsung device -------- Original message -------- From: [email protected] Date: 16/09/2017 17:33 (GMT+00:00) To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LAN] LFHHS Pendle & Burnley Branch - meeting Wednesday 20 September in Colne   Hello Colin , wonder if anyone in your group are researching JOHNSON and SANDERSON from Burnley/Nelson ,      My ancestor William JOHNSON had a sibling Eli who married Ellen DUGDALE in Burnley , i know there are living descendants there somewhere !Kind regards from Down Under         Brian Johnson      ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] [email protected] To: Cc: Sent:Fri, 15 Sep 2017 15:48:57 +0100 Subject:[LAN] LFHHS Pendle & Burnley Branch - meeting Wednesday 20 September in Colne The next meeting of Pendle and Burnley Branch of Lancashire Family History & Heraldry Society will be on Wednesday 20th September when Dave Joy will tell us all about "Liverpool Cow-keepers" in the meeting room at Colne Library, starting at 7.30pm - doors open at 7pm. All welcome. Dave's talk uses material from his own family history to tell the story of the Yorkshire farmers who relocated to Liverpool during the mid-1800s to keep cows in their backyards to sell fresh milk to the city's growing population. He will be bringing books to sell/ sign.  Two titles:  "Liverpool Cowkeepers" and "My Family and Other Scousers" He has a website: www.davejoy-author.com The address of the venue is Market Street, Colne, Lancashire, BB8 0AP. The meeting room is upstairs but there is a lift. Please note: Colne Library closes at 6pm. The meeting room is accessed via the rear entrance by the car park which is free in the evenings. See the website http://www.lfhhs-pendleandburnley.org.uk for further information -- Colin Spiller [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources:  http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator  at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The next meeting of Pendle and Burnley Branch of Lancashire Family History & Heraldry Society will be on Wednesday 20th September when Dave Joy will tell us all about "Liverpool Cow-keepers" in the meeting room at Colne Library, starting at 7.30pm - doors open at 7pm. All welcome. Dave's talk uses material from his own family history to tell the story of the Yorkshire farmers who relocated to Liverpool during the mid-1800s to keep cows in their backyards to sell fresh milk to the city's growing population. He will be bringing books to sell/ sign.  Two titles:  "Liverpool Cowkeepers" and "My Family and Other Scousers" He has a website: www.davejoy-author.com <http://www.davejoy-author.com> The address of the venue is Market Street, Colne, Lancashire, BB8 0AP. The meeting room is upstairs but there is a lift. Please note: Colne Library closes at 6pm. The meeting room is accessed via the rear entrance by the car park which is free in the evenings. See the website http://www.lfhhs-pendleandburnley.org.uk for further information. -- Colin Spiller [email protected]

Hello Listers, Here are the latest records to be added to the Lancs OPC database. The Search Engine has been updated to include them in any returns. http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 31 Aug 2017 Marriages 1899 to 1900 from the Church of St Peter, Accrington Benefactors 1904 to 1938 from the Roman Catholic Church of St Aloysius, in the District of Ardwick, Manchester Baptisms 1829 to 1831 from the Church of St Michael and All Angels in the Parish of Ashton under Lyne Baptisms 1788 to 1849 and Burials 1788 to 1927 from the Church of St John the Evangelist, Bacup This set, originally from the Bishop's Transcripts, is reworked from the Parish Registers Baptisms 1833 to 1836 from the Parish Church of St Peter, Bolton Confirmations 1899 to 1920 from the Roman Catholic Church of St Boniface, in the District of Broughton, Salford Admissions J to Z 1913 to 1915 from Burnley Workhouse Baptisms 1853 to 1867 from the Roman Catholic Church of St Joseph, Heywood Marriages 1921 to 1930 from the Church of St John, in the Parish of Radcliffe Marriages 1908 to 1923 from the Church of St Wilfrid, in the Parish of Standish Marriages 1845 to 1848 from the Church of St Bride, in the District of Toxteth, Liverpool Marriages 1934 to 1943 from the Church of St Mark, Worsley Regards, Sally

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Manchester/Blackley/stpeter/index.html On Sep 1, 2017 6:27 PM, "jlindley41" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi list. Can anyone please tell me if Blackley parish records are on line. > Thanks Regards John Lindley > > > Sent from my Samsung device > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ > lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm > > Contact the list administrator at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi list. Can anyone please tell me if Blackley parish records are on line. Thanks Regards John  Lindley  Sent from my Samsung device

Hi, LOPC (Lancashire online parish clerk) has a baptism at St Peters Church Blackley for Robert son of Joseph COSTERDINE 28 July 1697,abode Blakley, might be worth looking at. HTH Anne On Monday, 28 August 2017, 16:53, jlindley41 <[email protected]> wrote:     Hi list. Can you please help. I am trying to find the bapt/birth of a Robert Consterdine who married a Hester Polit at manchester cathederal in jaunary 1717. He may have come from Blackley. Any help would be apreciated. Regards. John Lindley Sent from my Samsung device :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources:  http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator  at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

New data has been added at www.lancashirebmd.org.uk as follows: Added 2,189 Marriages for Bury RD comprising: Bury Register Office or Registrar Attended (1937-1945) Bury, Holy Trinity (1955-2008) Bury, St.John (1958-1993) Bury, St.Mark (1950-1981) Bury, St.Mary (1968-1973) Many thanks to the LancashireBMD volunteers responsible. http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/ http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/register

Hi Bill, Further to my thoughts on the JOHNSON/BOOT connection; I found a marriage at St Mary the Virgin, Eccles on Oct 26, 1836 between William JOHNSON and Margaret FOGG which may or may not be significant. I’m going to bed now... ttys David

Thanks all for the thoughts and suggestions. Quite sure of the names as I have birth records for their children- Harriet 1862 (my G grandmother), Thomas 1866, Eliza 1869, Agnes 1871 and Susannah 1874. The Eliza Boot born in 1843 in Thomas's younger sister. Her and his parents are Reuben Boot and Elizabeth "Johnson" just o add to the confusion. Always a chance they just started to live together and didn't bother to get married?? Thanks- Bill in Montana

Hi there, The other interesting piece of possible evidence found in GRO, shows eldest daughter HARRIET BOOT registered M Quarter, 1862 Manchester as BOOTH Mother's Maiden name JOHNSON. Then Harriet is found with her parents in 1871 census aged 10 yrs. She marries 21st February, 1881 after Banns a CHARLES CAMPBELL at St. Thomas C of E Parish Church Red Bank, Manchester, which does not reflect an RC connection, her Father is named as Thomas Boot, Sweeper. I cannot find any earlier children to Thomas and Agnes than 1862. Cheers Robyn --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus