Hi. I posted this exact request in the Bolton site - she was living in Bury as of 1841 so have widened the search!! Looking for a marriage, possibly a death...? Baptised to Joseph and Alice BARROW 20 Nov 1825 in Bolton. 1841 census has her living with Uncle Benjamin (42) and Aunt Esther (46), Mary, Samuel 2 and one of Betty's brothers James (15). No sign thereafter. Phil Thank you

As promised, here are the September message board subject lines, hot on the heels of the August posts. . . . . need help with latin names on catholic register . . . . Missing Death records . . . . John & Isobella Pettigrew from England . . . . Emily Swift, b. 1898, Garston (likely) . . . . Hallfold Evangelical church records, Lancashire . . . . Richard LITTLER and Ellen PENNINGTON, m. 1772 Winwick . . . . William Smythe (1832) Liverpool . . . . Royal Deaf and Dumb Institution, Old Trafford, Lancs - Harold Hughes b. 14/08/1901 . . . . 1825 Liverpool Street Directory with Residents, right here, in Full, Baines . . . . Phillip FINNAN of Wigan d1854 . . . . maternity hospital at 42 High Street, chorlton upon medlock in 1919 . . . . Sarah Jones Singleton of Liverpool, England (1870-1905) . . . . Susan hardbach . . . . Arthur LEE. Burnley 1910-1995 ancestors . . . . James William Eastham and Kenneth Eastham . . . . Parents of James Barker (born around 1892), married to Rachel Halsall The messages can be viewed (and replies can be posted) at http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/mb.ashx or http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/mb.ashx Like the mailing lists, the message boards are completely free. You do need to register before using the message boards, but registration only requires a name and a working email address. Lynne

Hello all We went on holiday in September and I forgot to send you the August message board subject lines. I guess those really interested would have gone to the message board to see for themselves. Here they are though, in case you like to see a month's worth of subject lines at a time. Hope there's something of interest. . . . . COWAN . . . . Thomas reid and Thomas Reid Brierley please help . . . . John PEERS and Lucy nee HAMNETT, Manchester area. . . . . James & Charles Ludlow/Elizabeth & Joseph Pearson . . . . 126 Smithdown Road, Liverpool . . . . Charles Edward James Roughsedge born 1887 Manchester emigrated to Canada . . . . SACKVILLE & SWALLOW Calico Printers, Pendlebury . . . . Liverpool/Crewe search areas . . . . Adams in Liverpool from Aghacarnan area of Antrim . . . . Thomas and Elizabeth Grace . . . . MYATTs in Farnworth Lancashire 1865 to 1920 . . . . Getting more info from birth certificate - Liverpool 1930 . . . . Henry Green Chr. 1811 Billinge . . . . spouse of james daswon, sarah hopkins or atkins discrepancy . . . . Fairfield synagogue liverpool . . . . Mason/Walsh/Andrews Patricroft Eccles Barton . . . . Bennet Family Don't go any where. The September posts are coming up next. Lynne

Hi Sue, Can't help you with the names in the marriage register but with a surname of Kneill, FreeBMD throws up only one Albert E Kneill - Albert Edward Kneill birth registered in the June quarter 1888 in the Preston Registration District. LancashireOPC has the following baptism: Baptism: 17 Jun 1888 St Michael, Hoole, Lancashire, England Albert Edward Kneill - Son of Charles William Avent Kneill & Ann Holmes     Born: 7 May 1888     Abode: Much Hoole     Occupation: Station Master     Baptised by: E.N.Dunne Rector     Register: Baptisms 1836 - 1900, Page 168, Entry 1337     Source: LDS Film 1471151 Hoole is 6 or 7 miles south west of Preston and Hoole (Little and Much) fell within the Preston RD. It's a leap of faith to say this is the right person without further proof but it's worth buying the marriage certificate to confirm Albert's age and his father's name. Hope this helps. Cheers, Bob > If anybody has access to marriage records for St Matthews Preston, would > appreciate fathers names from marriage of Annie Buxton to Albert E Kneill > September qtr 1914 > > Thanks in advance > > Sue

New data has been added at www.lancashirebmd.org.uk as follows: Added 141,840 Births for Manchester RD comprising: Manchester (1969-1981) Thanks are due to Liz Williamson and Phil Wharram and their team for the above. Added 1,603 Deaths for St Helens RD comprising: Rainford (1936-1964) Thanks are due to Pauline Hurst and her team. John Marsden Webmaster: www.lancashirebmd.org.uk, www.cumbriabmd.org.uk www.1851-unfilmed.org.uk, www.mlfhs.org.uk

>From Bolton & District FHS branch of MLFHS: Basically we have had Bad News and then received Good News We are sorry to have to announce that our booked speaker Gail Newsham, who was coming to tell us about the “Dick, Kerr Ladies Football Team” contacted us a few days ago, apologising profusely, but informed us that she has had an invitation to a "gathering" at The House of Lords the same day, and was unable therefore to also fit in our talk. Naturally we couldn't argue with this wonderful opportunity for her, even though we know many had been particularly looking forward to her advertised talk. On the brighter side she has promised to try to fit in with our timetable ASAP, (although our programme is now fully booked for next year and will also be announced at this meeting) , to come and visit us again, and of course we also wish her well for such a rewarding experience, and the fact that her efforts in researching this story are being so well recognised. Even more good news though is that Julie Lamara the Collections Access Officer-Local Studies, Bolton History Centre, Bolton Museum and Archive has agreed to stand in at short notice, and she will give a talk about her project researching “Bolton War Memorials” . This will include bringing the “Bolton Remembers” http://boltonremembers.org/ database along to see if anyone has an ancestor, or can give information about a serving ancestor, so all welcome, and please bring your family story in to be verified. This is a talk that should have been on our list anyway, and we are very grateful that she has found the time to come and tell us about some of the experiences of the Bolton men who never returned from the WW1 battlefields. I would also like to announce that we have recently had a collection donated, collected by a Boltonian with apparently no descendants, but made available to members of our society. There will be lever arch files on display , full of research including BMD certs for local families with the following surnames: Booth, Brindle, Cowell, Groom, Oldham, Pamphilon, Pegg, Pomfret, Schofield, Skipper, Walsh, Welsby, Yates, Young. Some files are 3 inches thick. All the paperwork is in plastic sleeves. In addition to BMD's there is census and other information. The local northern villages, Egerton Edgworth, Quarlton etc, are regularly mentioned. The files will be sold to the first comers at the extremely cheap price of £5 per file As usual our meeting will be held at 7.30pm at the Old Links Golf Club , Chorley New Road, Bolton, BL1 5SU with coffee , tea, and a Help Desk available from 7pm , plus stationery and book stall. For further information please contact Barbara Owen on [email protected] or 01204309515. May I also remind you of our Open Day on October 21st. More news shortly in a separate message Thanks Jane Milne Newsletter Editor, Programme Coordinator and Publicity Officer

No one received a message from the GRO it was a question of being on the right newsletter One of the reasons that I sign up to all the major newsletters The best if you really want to keep up it Lost Cousins - https://www.lostcousins.com/ It comes out every two weeks and contains all the latest from ancestry, findmypast and all the rest and well as the latest free offers Free to sign up to Regards John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk New family history conference in 2018 http://www.secretlives.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: LANCSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of marg Sent: 01 October 2017 08:08 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAN] JOYCE family Manchester 1860s Thanks all for the Joyce help Is there a secret to signing up with the UK GRO?. They never sent me a code Cheer Marg -----Original Message----- From: LANCSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 1 October 2017 12:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAN] JOYCE family Manchester 1860s Hello all, Births 2Q Jun 1862. JOYCE Thomas, mmn MALLETT. Manchester 8d 306 (GROonline) Births 3Q Sep 1863. JOYCE Peter, mmn MELLETT. Manchester 8d 234 (GROonline) males 1851-1871 JOYCE MALLETT in Manchester (using 'similar sounding variations' on mother's maiden name) search at gro.gov.uk Hope this helps, Katrina On 27 September 2017 at 17:54, marg <[email protected]> wrote: > Apology, in 1871 census the Joyce sons are Peter and Thomas not Peter > and John > > Cheers > > Marg > > -----Original Message----- > From: LANCSGEN > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of marg > Sent: Thursday, 28 September 2017 9:25 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LAN] JOYCE family Manchester 1860s > > > Thanks John > > Very much for this. > > It is very helpful. Are there any variations of Mellett? Is it Irish? > > Cheers > > Marg > ----- > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Really Useful Sources: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.h > tm > > Contact the list administrator at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Really Useful Sources: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.h > tm > > Contact the list administrator at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No secret to signing up with UK GRO. One needs to register (free), then sign in. It's the same process for both doing searches and ordering certificates online. Cheers, Katrina. On 1 October 2017 at 01:07, marg <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks all for the Joyce help > > Is there a secret to signing up with the UK GRO?. > > They never sent me a code > > Cheer > > Marg > > -----Original Message----- > From: LANCSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, 1 October 2017 12:07 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LAN] JOYCE family Manchester 1860s > > Hello all, > > Births 2Q Jun 1862. JOYCE Thomas, mmn MALLETT. Manchester 8d 306 (GROonline) > > Births 3Q Sep 1863. JOYCE Peter, mmn MELLETT. Manchester 8d 234 (GROonline) > > males 1851-1871 JOYCE MALLETT in Manchester (using 'similar sounding > variations' on mother's maiden name) search at gro.gov.uk > > Hope this helps, > > Katrina > > On 27 September 2017 at 17:54, marg <[email protected]> wrote: >> Apology, in 1871 census the Joyce sons are Peter and Thomas not Peter >> and John >> >> Cheers >> >> Marg >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: LANCSGEN >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of marg >> Sent: Thursday, 28 September 2017 9:25 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [LAN] JOYCE family Manchester 1860s >> >> >> Thanks John >> >> Very much for this. >> >> It is very helpful. Are there any variations of Mellett? Is it Irish? >> >> Cheers >> >> Marg >> ----- >> >> >> >> >> >> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: >> >> Really Useful Sources: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.h >> tm >> >> Contact the list administrator at [email protected] >> >> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: >> >> Really Useful Sources: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.h >> tm >> >> Contact the list administrator at [email protected] >> >> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Really Useful Sources: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm > > Contact the list administrator at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm > > Contact the list administrator at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Also following the Irish families from Lancashire to Ireland, wondering how listers are able to follow that through And Wondering if a subscription to the Irish times newspaper would help? Cheers Marg -----Original Message----- From: LANCSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of marg Sent: Thursday, 28 September 2017 12:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAN] JOYCE family Manchester 1860s Thanks so much Christine, lots to think about! Cheers Marg -----Original Message----- From: LANCSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christine Benson Sent: Thursday, 28 September 2017 10:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAN] JOYCE family Manchester 1860s Hi Marg, I am somewhat confused. But Peter Joyce seems to be a pretty common name so that is probably part of the confusion. In 1871 the family at 3 Huddleston Court (that's how I read it) has a son Thomas but no John. Peter snr. is a tailor. In 1881 the family are at 55 Nicholas Street, with a John but no Thomas and Peter is a tailor. There is a record for 1891 marching Peter jnr.'s age but the parents are about 10 years too old. But Peter snr. is a tailor. So could it be right? There is a baptism on Lancs OPC Baptism: 5 Jul 1863 St Joseph, Ancoats, Lancashire, England Petrus Joice - filius Patricii Joice & Mariae (formerly Mallett) Born: 4 Jul 1863 Godparents: Gulielmus Welsh; Bridget Shaughnessy Notes: ejusdem [written in place of the month - in the same month (as the birth)] Baptised by: J. J. DeGryse M. C. Register: Baptisms 1858 - 1865, Page 328 Source: Original Register at LRO Preston But I can't find one for John/Thomas. There are 3 John Thomas' born in Manchester at the time with mother's maiden name WELSH, LAUGHFIELD and DYER. I have found a marriage in 1858 of a Peter JOYCE, 21, Tailor, father John to a Mary WELSH, 21 widow father John LAVAN. The age is wrong but it could be a lie if they were marring underage. But the occupation of Tailor is interesting. So conflicting data! Best of luck Christine -----Original Message----- From: marg Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 11:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LAN] JOYCE family Manchester 1860s Hi all, re-joining the list after a break I am researching a JOYCE family from Manchester Father Peter JOYCE, b abt 1842 Mayo, IRL, mother Mary Unknown. B Ireland Sons Peter Joyce 1864 b Manchester John Joyce 1868 ditto Last found in 1871 census. 3 Huddstone? Court St Michaels ward Manchester. I have the father's background: parents Patrick and Mary Joyce born Ireland and were living in Wolverhampton previously. There seemed to be a lot of Mayo Joyces in Wolverhampton and I have tried to see any connections there but cant find any matches so far. Would be interested in any useful resources, or insights, clues etc. Am happy to send for a cert, if that will help. Would like to learn what part of Ireland they came from, Questions to ask, Where did they go after 1871? who was Mary Joyce? Did the boys survive, marry etc,? When did they die? Marg O'Leary Hunter Valley NSW :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marg, Births 2Q Jun 1862. JOYCE Thomas, mmn MALLETT. Manchester 8d 306 (GROonline) Births 3Q Sep 1863. JOYCE Peter, mmn MELLETT. Manchester 8d 234 (GROonline) males 1851-1871 JOYCE MALLETT in Manchester (using 'similar sounding variations' on mother's maiden name) search at gro.gov.uk Hope this helps, Katrina On 27 September 2017 at 17:54, marg <[email protected]> wrote: > Apology, in 1871 census the Joyce sons are Peter and Thomas not Peter and > John > > Cheers > > Marg > >

Hello Marg, Nicholas street was the second street to the east of St Michaels church. It was a strong Irish area in the 1800 hundreds. Huddstone was probably in the same area. Maybe a small place. There were a number of areas that did not show a name. Do a Google search for 'Angel Meadows, Manchester history'. It will show lots of pictures of the area and include a map section showing Nicholas street. People lived in terrible conditions in this place. Regards, Mike Morris Toronto Canada PS: I use to work in this part of Manchester on Collyhurst road. ________________________________ From: marg <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 6:31 PM I am researching a JOYCE family from Manchester Father Peter JOYCE, b abt 1842 Mayo, IRL, mother Mary Unknown. B Ireland Sons Peter Joyce 1864 b Manchester John Joyce 1868 ditto Last found in 1871 census. 3 Huddstone? Court St Michaels ward Manchester.<snip>

Thanks so much Christine, lots to think about! Cheers Marg -----Original Message----- From: LANCSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christine Benson Sent: Thursday, 28 September 2017 10:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAN] JOYCE family Manchester 1860s Hi Marg, I am somewhat confused. But Peter Joyce seems to be a pretty common name so that is probably part of the confusion. In 1871 the family at 3 Huddleston Court (that's how I read it) has a son Thomas but no John. Peter snr. is a tailor. In 1881 the family are at 55 Nicholas Street, with a John but no Thomas and Peter is a tailor. There is a record for 1891 marching Peter jnr.'s age but the parents are about 10 years too old. But Peter snr. is a tailor. So could it be right? There is a baptism on Lancs OPC Baptism: 5 Jul 1863 St Joseph, Ancoats, Lancashire, England Petrus Joice - filius Patricii Joice & Mariae (formerly Mallett) Born: 4 Jul 1863 Godparents: Gulielmus Welsh; Bridget Shaughnessy Notes: ejusdem [written in place of the month - in the same month (as the birth)] Baptised by: J. J. DeGryse M. C. Register: Baptisms 1858 - 1865, Page 328 Source: Original Register at LRO Preston But I can't find one for John/Thomas. There are 3 John Thomas' born in Manchester at the time with mother's maiden name WELSH, LAUGHFIELD and DYER. I have found a marriage in 1858 of a Peter JOYCE, 21, Tailor, father John to a Mary WELSH, 21 widow father John LAVAN. The age is wrong but it could be a lie if they were marring underage. But the occupation of Tailor is interesting. So conflicting data! Best of luck Christine -----Original Message----- From: marg Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 11:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LAN] JOYCE family Manchester 1860s Hi all, re-joining the list after a break I am researching a JOYCE family from Manchester Father Peter JOYCE, b abt 1842 Mayo, IRL, mother Mary Unknown. B Ireland Sons Peter Joyce 1864 b Manchester John Joyce 1868 ditto Last found in 1871 census. 3 Huddstone? Court St Michaels ward Manchester. I have the father's background: parents Patrick and Mary Joyce born Ireland and were living in Wolverhampton previously. There seemed to be a lot of Mayo Joyces in Wolverhampton and I have tried to see any connections there but cant find any matches so far. Would be interested in any useful resources, or insights, clues etc. Am happy to send for a cert, if that will help. Would like to learn what part of Ireland they came from, Questions to ask, Where did they go after 1871? who was Mary Joyce? Did the boys survive, marry etc,? When did they die? Marg O'Leary Hunter Valley NSW :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Apology, in 1871 census the Joyce sons are Peter and Thomas not Peter and John Cheers Marg -----Original Message----- From: LANCSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of marg Sent: Thursday, 28 September 2017 9:25 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAN] JOYCE family Manchester 1860s Thanks John Very much for this. It is very helpful. Are there any variations of Mellett? Is it Irish? Cheers Marg ----- :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks John Very much for this. It is very helpful. Are there any variations of Mellett? Is it Irish? Cheers Marg -----

Hi all, re-joining the list after a break I am researching a JOYCE family from Manchester Father Peter JOYCE, b abt 1842 Mayo, IRL, mother Mary Unknown. B Ireland Sons Peter Joyce 1864 b Manchester John Joyce 1868 ditto Last found in 1871 census. 3 Huddstone? Court St Michaels ward Manchester. I have the father's background: parents Patrick and Mary Joyce born Ireland and were living in Wolverhampton previously. There seemed to be a lot of Mayo Joyces in Wolverhampton and I have tried to see any connections there but cant find any matches so far. Would be interested in any useful resources, or insights, clues etc. Am happy to send for a cert, if that will help. Would like to learn what part of Ireland they came from, Questions to ask, Where did they go after 1871? who was Mary Joyce? Did the boys survive, marry etc,? When did they die? Marg O'Leary Hunter Valley NSW

Hi Marg, I am somewhat confused. But Peter Joyce seems to be a pretty common name so that is probably part of the confusion. In 1871 the family at 3 Huddleston Court (that's how I read it) has a son Thomas but no John. Peter snr. is a tailor. In 1881 the family are at 55 Nicholas Street, with a John but no Thomas and Peter is a tailor. There is a record for 1891 marching Peter jnr.'s age but the parents are about 10 years too old. But Peter snr. is a tailor. So could it be right? There is a baptism on Lancs OPC Baptism: 5 Jul 1863 St Joseph, Ancoats, Lancashire, England Petrus Joice - filius Patricii Joice & Mariae (formerly Mallett) Born: 4 Jul 1863 Godparents: Gulielmus Welsh; Bridget Shaughnessy Notes: ejusdem [written in place of the month - in the same month (as the birth)] Baptised by: J. J. DeGryse M. C. Register: Baptisms 1858 - 1865, Page 328 Source: Original Register at LRO Preston But I can't find one for John/Thomas. There are 3 John Thomas' born in Manchester at the time with mother's maiden name WELSH, LAUGHFIELD and DYER. I have found a marriage in 1858 of a Peter JOYCE, 21, Tailor, father John to a Mary WELSH, 21 widow father John LAVAN. The age is wrong but it could be a lie if they were marring underage. But the occupation of Tailor is interesting. So conflicting data! Best of luck Christine -----Original Message----- From: marg Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 11:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LAN] JOYCE family Manchester 1860s Hi all, re-joining the list after a break I am researching a JOYCE family from Manchester Father Peter JOYCE, b abt 1842 Mayo, IRL, mother Mary Unknown. B Ireland Sons Peter Joyce 1864 b Manchester John Joyce 1868 ditto Last found in 1871 census. 3 Huddstone? Court St Michaels ward Manchester. I have the father's background: parents Patrick and Mary Joyce born Ireland and were living in Wolverhampton previously. There seemed to be a lot of Mayo Joyces in Wolverhampton and I have tried to see any connections there but cant find any matches so far. Would be interested in any useful resources, or insights, clues etc. Am happy to send for a cert, if that will help. Would like to learn what part of Ireland they came from, Questions to ask, Where did they go after 1871? who was Mary Joyce? Did the boys survive, marry etc,? When did they die? Marg O'Leary Hunter Valley NSW

Marg According to the new GRO birth indexes Peter JOYCE b Q3 1863 had a mothers maiden name of MELLETT There is a John JOYCE in Q1 1869 with no mothers maiden name who could be yours The question is did they marry in Ireland or the UK - I can't find one in the UK Your problem is not helped by the fact that it is 20 years after the 1871 census to wait until passenger lists from the UK exist So you will need to look at the other end Australia, USA, Canada all have passenger arrival lists to explore Hope this helps Regards John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk New family history conference in 2018 http://www.secretlives.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: LANCSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of marg Sent: 27 September 2017 23:31 To: [email protected] Subject: [LAN] JOYCE family Manchester 1860s Hi all, re-joining the list after a break I am researching a JOYCE family from Manchester Father Peter JOYCE, b abt 1842 Mayo, IRL, mother Mary Unknown. B Ireland Sons Peter Joyce 1864 b Manchester John Joyce 1868 ditto Last found in 1871 census. 3 Huddstone? Court St Michaels ward Manchester. I have the father's background: parents Patrick and Mary Joyce born Ireland and were living in Wolverhampton previously. There seemed to be a lot of Mayo Joyces in Wolverhampton and I have tried to see any connections there but cant find any matches so far. Would be interested in any useful resources, or insights, clues etc. Am happy to send for a cert, if that will help. Would like to learn what part of Ireland they came from, Questions to ask, Where did they go after 1871? who was Mary Joyce? Did the boys survive, marry etc,? When did they die? Marg O'Leary Hunter Valley NSW :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Family Search there is a death for Charles McQUEEN on 16th February 1900 at 1 Granville Street, Douglas, Isle of Man. Regards Kerry (Young)

Thank you Kerry - this certainly looks like my Charles ! I'm very pleased Regards Stuart From: LANCSGEN <[email protected]> on behalf of Family Historian <[email protected]> Sent: 27 September 2017 04:34 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAN] Charles McQueen   I was just about to suggest Douglas in the Isle of Mann. I believe Kerry has found your man. Eliena Sent from my iPad

I was just about to suggest Douglas in the Isle of Mann. I believe Kerry has found your man. Eliena Sent from my iPad > On 27 Sep 2017, at 09:08, Kerry Young <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Family Search there is a death for Charles McQUEEN on 16th February 1900 at 1 Granville Street, Douglas, Isle of Man. > > Regards > > Kerry (Young) > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm > > Contact the list administrator at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message