The next meeting of Pendle and Burnley Branch of Lancashire Family History & Heraldry Society will be on Wednesday 15th November when the subject will be  "Why Did The French Mutiny In 1917?", given by Richard Wimpenny, in the meeting room at Colne Library, starting at 7.30pm - doors open at 7pm. All welcome. The meeting room is upstairs but there is a lift. The address is Market Street, Colne, Lancashire, BB8 0AP General Robert Nivelle, the new French "whizz-kid," promised total victory in a matter of days.  Why was Lloyd George so taken with him that, off his own bat, he promised to second the British Army under direct French control for the rest of the war? Nivelle's failure resulted in a mutiny in his own army.  Where did this leave the British War effort, and where did it leave the relationship between the generals running the war, and the country's political leaders? All will be revealed on Wednesday! Please note: Colne Library closes at 6pm. The meeting room is accessed via the rear entrance by the car park which is free in the evenings. See the website http://www.lfhhs-pendleandburnley.org.uk for further information. -- Colin Spiller [email protected]

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Thanks to Anne, Mary Lou & Martin for your kind responses and suggestions, it seems that between you my little problem has been solved. I can now focus my attention much better, especially as it appears Popithorne and Thatch Leach were, as hoped, quite close to each other. Thanks again folk, much appreciated. Barrie Sharples North Yorkshire <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Do a search on a mapping site like Google Maps and you find a Poppythorne Lane in present day Prestwich. Go to the NLS maps. Their earliest 25" map is 1890s, that shows the road but seems built over. But go to the 6" maps and you can get a 1842 6" map, that shows a building called Poppy Thorn. It looks quite a large house rather than just a farm. http://maps.nls.uk/view/102344057#zoom=6&lat=4882&lon=3358&layers=BT Perhaps later a nursery? Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser - Saturday 26 October 1844 Image © THE BRITISH LIBRARY BOARD. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. At the New Bailey Court, on Tuesday last, John Scholes, an extensive florist, of longe-lane, near Middleton. was charged with having on the Tuesday evening previous trespassed in the garden of Mr. J. Middleton, florist, Poppy Thorn, Prestwich, and taken plants to the value'of from to £20.—Sergeant White, of the county police stationed at Middleton, found upwards of sixty of the plants under the beds in the prisoner's house.—Scholes pleaded guilty, and was convicted in the penalty of £5 and costs; and the plants were restored to Mr. Middleton. Martin Briscoe Fort William -----Original Message----- From: LANCSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barrie Sharples Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 2:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LAN] Where was POPITHORNE Lancashire Does this house, farm, hamlet name ring any bells folks? It has arisen in some of my 17 Cent research of SHARPLES/WILSON spelt variously including Popeethorne, Poppyth, Popith etc. I believe it was within Prestwich parish, but having looked at some old maps, searched British History and other documents I have failed to pin it down. At least six of my collateral baptism's of WILSON's plus a couple of SMITH & a marriage were listed as from this location between 1607 - 1638. Perhaps a clue may be in noting that a widow, former resident of Popithorne died in "Thatch Leach" which I understand was in the Chatburn area, or was this a red herring? Any ideas? Cheers Barrie Sharples North Yorkshire <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai gn=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai gn=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barrie, Poppythorn Lane and Thatch Leach Lane (near Besses o' th' Barn) are still very much alive and living either side of the M62 not far from Heaton Park, the old Poppythorn  is nearer to the Parish church of St. Mary so maybe worth looking at the history around there. HTH a bit !   Anne

Does this house, farm, hamlet name ring any bells folks? It has arisen in some of my 17 Cent research of SHARPLES/WILSON spelt variously including Popeethorne, Poppyth, Popith etc. I believe it was within Prestwich parish, but having looked at some old maps, searched British History and other documents I have failed to pin it down. At least six of my collateral baptism's of WILSON's plus a couple of SMITH & a marriage were listed as from this location between 1607 - 1638. Perhaps a clue may be in noting that a widow, former resident of Popithorne died in "Thatch Leach" which I understand was in the Chatburn area, or was this a red herring? Any ideas? Cheers Barrie Sharples North Yorkshire <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Hi Barrie.....I googled, POPITHORNE, LANCASHIRE and a reference popped up having to do with Chetham Library referring to the rental of a house called Popithorne. Give it a try! mary lou sun valley, idaho -----Original Message----- From: Barrie Sharples <[email protected]> To: lancsgen <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Oct 31, 2017 8:03 am Subject: [LAN] Where was POPITHORNE Lancashire Does this house, farm, hamlet name ring any bells folks? It has arisen in some of my 17 Cent research of SHARPLES/WILSON spelt variously including Popeethorne, Poppyth, Popith etc. I believe it was within Prestwich parish, but having looked at some old maps, searched British History and other documents I have failed to pin it down. At least six of my collateral baptism's of WILSON's plus a couple of SMITH & a marriage were listed as from this location between 1607 - 1638. Perhaps a clue may be in noting that a widow, former resident of Popithorne died in "Thatch Leach" which I understand was in the Chatburn area, or was this a red herring? Any ideas? Cheers Barrie Sharples North Yorkshire <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello again Everyone, I have been off line for a while but now I am looking for information on the above person who was a nurse and I think she may have been in the Queen Alexanders Nursing Corp. She was born in Ireland circa 1925/27 and came from the area of Moate, Westmeath, Eire. She worked in the Cheshire area and also in Liverpool area. I have an address of Oakhill Nurses Association which may give someone a clue. I have a photo of her in her nurses uniform. She was a very good friend of my mums Thanks for reading this and I would love to pass a copy of the photo onto her family if I can locate them. Ginny

MLFHS Bolton & District FHS meeting calendar for 2018: 10th January Dr. Alan Crosby Local historian with an international reputation and a very popular speaker My father’s Crosby Family 7th February Mark Campbell Senior member of the MLFHS’s Anglo-Scottish FHS Scottish Research 7th March Peter B. Park, MA Fellow of the Society of Genealogists Between the Lines - What Records don’t say but can tell us 4th April Jackie Depelle Chairwoman, Yorkshire Group of Family History Societies, 17 years a lecturer DNA & Me - Tentative Steps + Terry’s Book Stall 2nd May Gillian Lonergan Librarian, Co-operative Heritage Trust National Co-operative Archive Researching the Co-op 6th June Dr Michael Nevell, MCIfA, FSA University of Salford Worsley New Hall & Gardens The families who lived and worked there and the renovation of the gardens to RHS status 4th July David Tilsley Archivist, Lancashire Archives Using manorial records for family history research 1st August David P Hearn Author and historian War Memorials WW1 grave markers, and the Pilgrimage trips 5th September Dave Burnham Social historian and author Dark Days, Dark Nights: Bolton’s Home Front, 1938 – 1945 3rd October John Smith Nat. Association of Memorial Masons Headstones and how to get the most information out of them 7th November Tony Foster, MA Projects co-ordinator of LFHHS Protestation Oaths - What were they and what can they tell us now? + Terry’s Bookstall 28th November Christmas Party – by ticket only Meetings are held at Montserrat Room, 1st Floor, Old Links Golf Club, Chorley Old Road, Bolton, BL1 5SU unless otherwise noted. For more information, see http://www.bolton.mlfhs.org.uk/

Wednesday 1st November 7.30pm Tony Foster, experienced family historian, will talk about “A Trip to Switzerland in 1916: A little known aspect of WW1”. “This talk details a scheme organised by the British Red Cross Society and the Order of St John of Jerusalem in England to allow wives and mothers to visit British Prisoners of War who were interned in Switzerland. Between September 1916 and November 1917 nearly 600 women visited Switzerland. Tony will mention four women from North East Lancashire who were included in the scheme. The talk will also mention the sources available for researching POW records.” Coffee , tea, and a Help Desk available from 7pm , plus stationery and book stall. Montserrat Room, 1st Floor, Old Links Golf Club, Chorley Old Road, Bolton, BL1 5SU For more information contact Barbara Owen on 01204 309515 or email [email protected]

The Cape Breton Post, Sydney, Nova Scotia, October 26, 2017 Rita Dyson Finney It is with great sadness and sorrow we announce the death of my dear mother, Rita Dyson-Finney, at the age of 92, after a lengthy illness on Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at the Northside Guest Community Guest Home where she resided for the past four years. Born in Leigh, Lancashire, England on July 11, 1925, Rita was the only child of the late Thomas and Rita (Walker) Dyson. Rita’s mom died at a very young age and many years later her dad Thomas remarried Rose (Causing) Dyson. Rita came to Canada in 1945, as a young war bride of George Edward Finney of Sydney Mines. Rita kept in touch with many other war brides over the years and they met on a regular basis until many were too old or had passed away themselves. Over the years mom kept herself busy working at Harbourview Hospital as a practical nurse for 18 ½ years and then did some volunteer work at both the Northside General Hospital and the Northside Community Guest Home. Mom also taught many older people who could not read, using the program Each One, Teach One. She was a member of the Royal Canadian Legion, Branch 8, in Sydney Mines until her illness took over. She also loved and belonged to the Children’s Wish Foundation in the very beginning and the Canadian Cancer Society. Mom was a member of St. John the Baptist Anglican Church, North Sydney. Leaving to grieve her loss is her only child, Moya Finney-Marsh and son-in-law, Ted Marsh, her two grandsons, Paul Marsh, living in London, England and Adam Marsh, living in Red Deer, Alberta. Mom cherished her two grandsons deeply. Also dear to her was Adam’s wife, Maria Bayona-Marsh and their two children, Vincent and Ty Nathaniel. Meeting her great-grandchildren was so surreal for Mom. Besides her parents, Rita was predeceased by her husband, George Edward Finney. There will be no visitation, cremation has taken place. A funeral service and celebration of Rita’s life will be held at 11 a.m. on Saturday, November 4, 2017 at St. John the Baptist Anglican Church with Rev. Julio Martin officiating. A reception will follow in the church hall. Burial will take place a later date. Memorial donations may be made to St. John Anglican Church Fund, the Children’s Wish Foundation, the S.PC.A. or the Canadian Cancer Society. Online condolences may be sent to www.wjdooley.com.

Part of the Salford Food & Drink Fortnight, this sounds like fun and you get to learn a bit of history as well. Free, but advance booking is necessary. "Beer, Ballads and Boats Sunday 22 October, 1pm to 4pm, Worsley Village "Join local historian Mark Charnley and Broadside Balladress Jennifer Reid on this exploration of the history and hospitality of the watering places of Worsley. Visiting several establishments along the way Jennifer will perform the ballads of the labourers and canal folk that worked along our waterway. Mark will tell the story of the origins and colourful past of the pubs and there will be a chance to purchase refreshments on the way. Free but places are limited and booking is essential." https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/o/est1761-the-bridgewater-canal-in-salford-7933050335

Have Jewish ancestry? You might be interested in this conference. >From Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter: JGSGB 24th Annual Jewish Genealogy Conference 22nd October 2017 The Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain (JGSGB) is holding its 24th Annual Conference on Sunday, 22nd October 2017 at the Jewish Museum in London. The conference programme and registration form are now available to download by clicking on this link to the Conference Programme http://www.jgsgb.org.uk/sites/jgsgb.org.uk/files/LondonConferenceNewsletter2017.pdf Tickets can be booked online following the link on the conference newsletter. This is a full-day programme with five great speakers covering a wide range of interesting topics. Registration is now open and JGSGB looks forward to welcoming you, your family and interested friends to another enjoyable day. Ticket price for non-members is £40 per person and includes refreshments during the day, and a kosher buffet lunch. Vegetarian and gluten free options are also available. For more information, the conference programme and ticket information, see: http://www.jgsgb.org.uk/

Hello all, Here are the lastest records to be added to the Lancashire Online Parish Clerk website. The search engine has yet been updated to be included in any returns, so they will have to be searched manually for the moment. http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 12 Oct 2017 Marriages 1950 to 1960 from the Church of St Mark, Worsley Marriages 1848 to 1852 from the Church of St Bride, in the District of Toxteth, Liverpool Baptisms 1889 to 1890 from the Church of St Peter, Liverpool Baptisms and Burials 1797 to 1813 from the Church of St Helen, in the Parish of Overton Marriages 1960 to 1966 from Smithills Chapel, Halliwell, Bolton Baptisms 1845 to 1847 from the Parish Church of St Peter, Bolton MIs from Belmont Congregational Church, Bolton MIs from the Church of St James, Birch in Rusholme, in the District of Rusholme, Manchester MIs from Waterbarn Baptist Church, Stacksteads Register for Graves (Family Books) from Whitworth Cemetery, Whitworth This register has been extended to include many more grave records Graves Book A and Book B from the Church of St Mary, Hawkshaw, in the Parish of Bury MIs from West Street Baptist (formerly Town Meadows Baptist), Wardleworth, Rochdale Regards, Sally

The register containing this record is awaiting transcription.It was a Chrstmas day wedding, image sent in a private email. Regards, Paul Dixon Aliso Viejo, California Coordinator, Lancashire Online Parish Clerks From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 3:33 AM Subject: [LAN] Marriage Lookup - Holy Trinity Morecambe - December Qtr 1901 Could SKS please lookup the marriage of HENRY SIDDLE and LILY BRADSHAW at Holy Trinity Morecambe (ex Lancashire BMD) in December Qtr 1901 (ex FreeBMD). Unfortunately none of Ancestry, Lancashire Clerks, Findmypast or Family Search have the marriage transcriptions for this church and I am unable to get up to the archives at Preston. TIA Prunella Bradshaw. :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Really Useful Sources:  http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lancsopc/RUS/guide.htm Contact the list administrator  at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could SKS please lookup the marriage of HENRY SIDDLE and LILY BRADSHAW at Holy Trinity Morecambe (ex Lancashire BMD) in December Qtr 1901 (ex FreeBMD). Unfortunately none of Ancestry, Lancashire Clerks, Findmypast or Family Search have the marriage transcriptions for this church and I am unable to get up to the archives at Preston. TIA Prunella Bradshaw.

I haven't used the PDF format yet this time, but the last trial they had about a year ago, I got many of them. If you want to frame a certificate, they aren't the same, but if you mainly want the information, they are just as good as the full certificate. It is basically the same certificate with the top cut off. It has all the information in the boxes in those same boxes. It was well worth it to me to get the cheaper price. I plan to order more as soon as I can make up my list. Linda in USA On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:29:50 -0400 (GMT-04:00), Lynne wrote: Hi Valerie If anyone on the list uses this new service, I hope you'll write to the list and tell us about the experience and whether or not you're satisfied with the PDF format.

The General Register Office (GRO) for England and Wales is piloting a service beginning 12 October 2017 to provide portable document format (PDF) copies of digitised historical birth and death records. The pilot will run for a minimum of 3 months to enable GRO to assess the demand for this service over a prolonged period. The PDF scheme provides a cheaper alternative to ordering print certificates, which cost £9.25 each or £23.40 for priority certificates. Applications for each PDF cost £6, must be made online, and include a GRO index reference. England and Wales records which are available as PDFs in this extended pilot include: Births: 1837 –1916 Deaths: 1837 –1957 https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

The next meeting of Pendle and Burnley Branch of Lancashire Family History & Heraldry Society will be on Wednesday 18th October when the subject will be “And in Flew Enza” given by Tony Foster in the meeting room at Colne Library, starting at 7.30pm - doors open at 7pm. All welcome. The meeting room is upstairs but there is a lift. The talk describes one of the deadliest natural disasters in human history. The address is Market Street, Colne, Lancashire, BB8 0AP Please note: Colne Library closes at 6pm. The meeting room is accessed via the rear entrance by the car park which is free in the evenings. See the website http://www.lfhhs-pendleandburnley.org.uk for further information. -- Colin Spiller [email protected]

Chorley Branch - Lancashire Family History and Heraldry Society, October Meeting Tuesday 17 October 2017, 7.30 pm. Speaker is Brooke Wescott - Every Book tells a Story Join us for a wander around an interesting book shelf. If you are interested in family history, come and meet branch members, and find out what membership of the LFHHS offers. 7:30pm, Free admission but donations are very much appreciated Chorley Library, Union St., Chorley, Lancashire PR7 1EB www.lfhhschorleybranch.com. The LFHHS Chorley Family History Research Centre at Astley Hall Farmhouse is open Monday, Wednesday and Friday from 10am till 4pm, and the 2nd and 3rd Saturday from 12 noon till 4pm. For details of the Centre and information about all our other activities see: www.cfhrc.com