In 1771 Abraham Heywood is christened; child of Abraham and Ann Heywood at Manchester Cathedral. In the 1841 census for Crumpsall Abraham (age 70)is found living with his wife, Ann (age 70) and a boy named Thomas (age 8) In the 1851 census Abraham is found living with his wife Ann in Crumpsall Abraham is 82 and Ann is 80 In 1852 a death certificate for an Abraham, living in Cheetham (age 83) is buried in St. Marks Chapelry In 1860 An Abraham Heywood, of Cheetham, is buried at St. Luke's. I would appreciate any help with this family. I do not believe they are related to the Middleton family. In the 1861 census an Abraham is listed again with his wife Ann. Kathy CANADA

Hi Katherine......do you have any idea if Abraham & Ann had a daughter called Margaret who married a Samuel Ogden/ Thanks.....mary lou -----Original Message----- From: Katherine Mubareka <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Nov 20, 2017 5:51 pm Subject: [LAN] Abraham Heywood of Crumpsall/Cheetham In 1771 Abraham Heywood is christened; child of Abraham and Ann Heywood at Manchester Cathedral. In the 1841 census for Crumpsall Abraham (age 70)is found living with his wife, Ann (age 70) and a boy named Thomas (age 8) In the 1851 census Abraham is found living with his wife Ann in Crumpsall Abraham is 82 and Ann is 80 In 1852 a death certificate for an Abraham, living in Cheetham (age 83) is buried in St. Marks Chapelry In 1860 An Abraham Heywood, of Cheetham, is buried at St. Luke's. I would appreciate any help with this family. I do not believe they are related to the Middleton family. In the 1861 census an Abraham is listed again with his wife Ann. Kathy CANADA :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is that the correct one ? as there is another John born 1847 living in the Hartshead area in 1851.

Hi. Many thanks. Is this the 1851 census or 1861 census? Regards john On 20 Nov 2017 16:50, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > He is with his grandparents on Brook Street, in St Peters parish in the > West > End of Ashton; > Piece 2233 Folio 240 Page 19 > > > > George Constenline 45 > Sarah Constenline 47 > Jane Constenline 18 > Ann Constenline 13 > Alice Constenline 11 > John Constenline 4 > Jane Aldred 27 > Mary Alice Aldred 0 > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > > Contact the list administrator at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

He is with his grandparents on Brook Street, in St Peters parish in the West End of Ashton; Piece 2233 Folio 240 Page 19 George Constenline 45 Sarah Constenline 47 Jane Constenline 18 Ann Constenline 13 Alice Constenline 11 John Constenline 4 Jane Aldred 27 Mary Alice Aldred 0

In the Guardian - "Historic England has launched a campaign to save the country’s historic textile mills after finding that nearly half of Greater Manchester’s once-bustling factories had been demolished. "About 45% of the region’s 971 mills have been destroyed since the 1980s, a study by the University of Salford found, while hundreds more stand empty and neglected. "Historic England condemned the destruction of the buildings and called for the surviving mills to be restored and turned into housing, offices or public amenities. "The heritage body said it had identified space for 25,000 new homes among the more than 500 former mills still standing in Greater Manchester and Lancashire. "Catherine Dewar, Historic England’s planning director in the north-west, said: 'With their ability to accommodate wonderful homes, workplaces and cultural spaces, our historic mill buildings deserve a future and should not be destroyed. “'They helped make us who we are in the north of England and have a profound impact on the physical and cultural landscape.' "While Greater Manchester’s skyline has changed beyond recognition in the past century, the destruction of mills has had the biggest impact on Salford, where 66% of its 47 factories have been torn down...." Read the article at https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2017/nov/20/historic-england-launches-campaign-save-former-textile-mills "They helped make us who we are . . . ." Ain't that the truth! Lynne

Hi list. I am tryin to find a john constantine on the 1861 census  for ashton u Lynne.  He was born in 1847. I have tried find my past but no luck it just comes up with initials not names. Could you please help.  Rwgards  John Lindley Sent from my Samsung device

This might be him, 1861 census, Ashton under Lyne Sarah Constantine wid 58, Alice Constantine un 20, John Constantine 13 (all boarders, Alice & John b Ashton under Lyne), in household of David Clarkson & wife Ann hs 171, Water Street, Ashton under Lyne Hope this helps, Katrina On 20 November 2017 at 03:23, jlindley41 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi list. I am tryin to find a john constantine on the 1861 census for ashton u Lynne. He was born in 1847. I have tried find my past but no luck it just comes up with initials not names. Could you please help. Rwgards John Lindley > > > Sent from my Samsung device > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > > Contact the list administrator at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Message from John Marsden, Lancashire. New data has been added at www.lancashirebmd.org.uk as follows: Added 33,117 Births for Manchester RD comprising: Manchester (1976-1983) Added 60,570 Births for Bolton RD comprising: Bolton A (1968-1974) Bolton B (1968-1974) Bolton North (1964-1967) Bolton E (1974-1975) Farnworth (1946-1951) Horwich (1968-1974) Townleys (1963-1968) Townleys A (1968-1974) Townleys B (1968-1974) Amended 144,062 Births for Manchester RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Manchester (1954-1965) Hulme (1865-1869) Failsworth (1837-1914) Added 14,958 Deaths for Bury RD comprising: Radcliffe (1888-1934) Added 18,649 Marriages for Salford RD comprising: Pendleton, St David Welsh Methodist (1954-1960) Salford, St. John, Methodist (1954-1960) Boothstown Methodist (1954-1960) Salford, Hope Congregational (1954-1954) Salford, Central United Reformed Church (1954-1960) Salford, Chapel Street & Hope United Reformed Church (1954-1958) Salford, Wesleyan Methodist, Regent Road (1954-1960) Salford, Brunswick, Methodist (1954-1960) Broughton Park URC (1954-1960) Pendleton, Broad Street Congregational (1954-1960) Salford, Weaste Congregational/United Reformed Church (1954-1960) Salford, Gravel Lane Methodist (1954-1960) Broughton, Broughton Union, Great Clowes Street (1954-1960) Salford, Great Clowes Street Methodist (1954-1960) Salford, Dock Mission Hall, New Park Road (1954-1960) Salford, Lancaster Road Methodist Church, Heathfield (1954-1958) Higher Broughton, Presbyterian (1954-1960) Irlams O'Th'Height, Congregational Church, Claremont Road (1956-1960) Pendleton, Enys Street Methodist (1954-1960) Swinton, Worsley Road URC (1954-1960) Swinton, Methodist Free Church, Worsley Rd (1954-1960) Salford, St. Paul, Methodist (1954-1960) Salford, Trinity Congregational (1954-1960) Worsley, Trinity Methodist (1954-1959) Walkden, Whittlebrook (formerly Primitive) Methodist Church (1954-1958) Salford, Bolton Road Methodist (1954-1960) Worsley, Barton Road Methodist (1956-1960) Eccles, Wesleyan Methodist (1954-1959) Patricroft, Trinity Methodist (1954-1960) Eccles, Barton Road Methodist (1954-1959) Salford, Zion Methodist (1955-1955) Eccles, Immanuel Methodist Church (1954-1960) Irlam, St. Paul, Methodist (1954-1960) Cadishead, Wesleyan Methodist (1954-1960) Walkden, Congregational Church (1954-1960) Pendlebury, Methodist Church (1956-1959) Broughton, Salem, Wellington St East (1954-1960) Swinton, Chorley Road (formerly Primitive) Methodist Church (1955-1960) Salford, Memorial Road Methodist (1954-1960) Patricroft, Patricroft (formerly Ebenezer) Methodist Church (1954-1960) Salford, Westwood Methodist (1954-1960) Pendlebury, Bethel Methodist (1954-1960) Pendlebury, United Methodist Free Church, Dumbell St (1954-1960) Monton, Monton Methodist Church (1954-1960) Swinton, Manchester Road Methodist Church (1954-1960) Pendleton, Charlestown Congregational (1954-1960) Walkden Moor Methodist (1954-1960) Salford, St. Andrew, Methodist (1954-1960) Walkden or Little Hulton, Worsley Road North, Methodist (1954-1960) Little Hulton, Wesleyan Church, Cleggs Lane (1954-1958) Little Hulton, Wharton Untied Reformed Church (1954-1960) Eccles, Particroft United Reformed Church (1954-1960) Eccles, Central Hall Methodist (1957-1960) Monton Green, Monton Church (1954-1960) Little Hulton, St. Edmund (1954-1960) Higher Broughton, Leicester Road Methodist (1954-1956) Eccles, New Congregational Church (1954-1960) Irlam, Boundary Road Methodist Church (1954-1960) Walkden, Christ the King (1954-1960) Irlam, Fairhills Road Methodist Church (1956-1956) Winton, Winton Methodist Church (1954-1959) Walkden, Wesley Hall Methodist (1960-1960) Salford, Whit Lane Methodist (1954-1960) Walkden, Walkden Evangelical Church (1955-1959) Eccles Parish St Mary's (1954-1960) Swinton St Peter (1954-1960) Worsley St Mark (1954-1960) Winton, St Mary Magdalene (1954-1960) Pendlebury Christ Church (1954-1960) Salford St Augustine (1954-1960) Pendlebury St John (1954-1960) St Mary's, Cadishead (1954-1960) Peel St Paul (1954-1960) Patricroft, St Michael and All Angels (1954-1960) Pendlebury, Clifton, St Thomas (1960-1960) Eccles St Andrew (1954-1960) Salford Christ Church (1954-1956) Pendleton, St. Ambrose (1956-1960) Salford St Cyprian (1954-1960) Salford Sacred Trinity (1954-1960) Holy Angels Claremont, Pendleton (1954-1960) Stowell Memorial (1954-1960) Salford St Ignatius (1954-1960) Salford Ascension (1954-1956) Patricroft Christ Church (1954-1960) Pendleton St Paul (1954-1960) Kersal St Paul (1954-1960) Salford St Stephen (1954-1956) Salford St Luke (1954-1960) Salford St Matthias (1954-1960) Salford St Philip (1954-1960) Salford St George (1954-1960) Pendleton St Thomas (1954-1960) Broughton St Clements (1954-1960) Monton St Paul (1954-1960) Salford St Barnabas (1954-1960) Broughton St John (1954-1960) Salford St Ambrose (1956-1960) Salford St Bartholomew (1954-1960) Brindle Heath, St. Anne (1954-1960) Hope St James (1954-1960) Higher Broughton St James (1954-1960) Salford St Clements (1954-1960) Irlam St John (1954-1960) Clifton St Ann (1954-1960) Little Hulton St John (1954-1960) Walkden St Paul (1954-1960) Salford Holy Rood (1954-1960) Manchester, Great & New & Beth Hamedrash Synagogue (1954-1960) Higher Broughton Synagogue (1954-1960) Higher Crumpsall & Higher Broughton Synagogue (1954-1960) Salford, Kahal Chassidim Synagogue (1958-1958) Manchester, Central and North Manchester Synagogue (1955-1960) Kersal, North Salford & Beth Hamedrash (prev. Romanian) Synagogue (1955-1960) Salford Register Office or Registrar Attended (1954-1960) Barton-on-Irwell Register Office or Registrar Attended (1954-1960) Thanks are due to Liz Williamson and Phil Wharram, Bob Winder, Sheila Lowe, and Tony Foster and their teams, and to my own Manchester team for the above.

Hello all, Here are the latest records to be added to the Lancashire Online Parish Clerks database. The search engine has been updated to include these in any returns. http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 15 Nov 2017 Marriages 1871 to 1873 from the Roman Catholic Church of St John in the Parish of Padiham Confirmations 1844 from the Roman Catholic Church of St Chad, in the District of Cheetham, Manchester Marriages 1960 to 1982 from the Church of St Mark, Worsley Regards, Sally

As my grandfather was illegitimate and born at Nob End, Little Lever in 1898, I am very interested in the Illegitimacy Records talk on 21 Nov. Unfortunately I currently work and live in Spain, so will not be able to make it. If anyone attends this presentation I'd be grateful if they could appraise me of the edited highlights. Thanks in advance, Howard -----Original Message----- From: LANCSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: 14 November 2017 15:37 To: Undisclosed recipients: Subject: [LAN] Explore Your Bolton Archive - Opening the Box.... >From Bolton Council: Join us in the Bolton History Centre between Saturday 18 November and Saturday 25 November (except Sunday 19 November) and delve into Bolton�s past through a selection of our archive and local studies collections. Each day we will either open up a story box on a variety of different subjects or showcase specific collections which are useful resources for family, local or social historians. The collections on display will illustrate Bolton�s heritage through photographs, diaries, letters, minute books, newspapers, posters and architectural drawings. See below for more details: Saturday 18 November 2pm to 3pm: A history of Bolton Library & Museum Monday 20 November 2pm to 3pm: Vehicle Licensing Records Tuesday 21 November 2pm to 3pm: Family History Hack- Illegitimacy Records Wednesday 22 November 2pm to 3pm: A History of Bolton�s Theatres Thursday 23 November 2pm to 3pm: The Power and the Glory: 500 years of religion in Bolton Libraries Special Collections Friday 24 November 2pm to 3pm: Family History Hack - Workhouse Creed Registers Saturday 25 November 2pm to 3pm: Records of Crime & Punishment Bolton's Central Library History Centre Le Mans Crescent Bolton BL1 1SE Phone: 01204 332853 Email: [email protected] www.mylifeinbolton.org.uk :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That one sounds very good... well done Marg -----Original Message----- From: LANCSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christine Benson Sent: Tuesday, 14 November 2017 1:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAN] Edward Thomas HOLLAND (Houlihan) b 1826 Hi again Marg, This is a bit more promising but needs proof. According to the GRO index John was born Q1 1892 in Birkenhead. John Holland in the 1911 England Census Name: John Holland Age in 1911: 19 Estimated birth year: abt 1892 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Male Birth Place: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Bolton Search Photos: Search for 'Bolton' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 210 St Grorgis Road Bolton Marital Status: Single Occupation: Vencuhpantor Elmentary School Teacher Registration district: Bolton Registration District Number: 461 Sub-registration district: Little Bolton ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Piece: 23393 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Ignatius Mucer 39 Jane Mucer 33 Mary Jane Monica Mucer 1 John Holland 19 There is a marriage for a John HOLLAND Q3 1920 in Birkenhead to Margaret McKeown. I cannot find the certificate online. Whether one or both of these is your John I cannot be sure. Christine -----Original Message----- From: marg Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 11:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LAN] Edward Thomas HOLLAND (Houlihan) b 1826 Hi all This family seemed to move between Birkenhead and Liverpool. Edward Thomas Holland b abt 1856 Birkenhead, his wife Mary Jane Heywood was born in Lancaster abt 1858 The family name obviously originated from "Houlihan" as there are entries with that spelling. (hoolan Houlan, and others) The family seems to continue to use the Irish variations or HOLLAND, so very hard to follow them. their son Thomas HOLLAND b 1884, went to Australia and died at Fromelles in WW1 and his name has Houlan in brackets in his army file . I have all Tom's Aussie records. I am trying to track down what happened to the siblings of Thomas (to help identify the soldier by eventually finding some relatives with DNA matches) Tom's siblings. George James b 1880. Margaret 1882 Edward 1886 John 1894 I think George James married Millicent Callister and had a family. But would be very interested in finding out what happened to the other three. Most grateful for your help/advice. Kind regards Marg O'Leary :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for that, that's one gone Cheers M -----Original Message----- From: LANCSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christine Benson Sent: Tuesday, 14 November 2017 11:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAN] Edward Thomas HOLLAND (Houlihan) b 1826 Hi Marg, There is a death for an Edward HOLLAND, Q4 1888, Birkenhead, b c 1886. Christine -----Original Message----- From: marg Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 11:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LAN] Edward Thomas HOLLAND (Houlihan) b 1826 Hi all This family seemed to move between Birkenhead and Liverpool. Edward Thomas Holland b abt 1856 Birkenhead, his wife Mary Jane Heywood was born in Lancaster abt 1858 The family name obviously originated from "Houlihan" as there are entries with that spelling. (hoolan Houlan, and others) The family seems to continue to use the Irish variations or HOLLAND, so very hard to follow them. their son Thomas HOLLAND b 1884, went to Australia and died at Fromelles in WW1 and his name has Houlan in brackets in his army file . I have all Tom's Aussie records. I am trying to track down what happened to the siblings of Thomas (to help identify the soldier by eventually finding some relatives with DNA matches) Tom's siblings. George James b 1880. Margaret 1882 Edward 1886 John 1894 I think George James married Millicent Callister and had a family. But would be very interested in finding out what happened to the other three. Most grateful for your help/advice. Kind regards Marg O'Leary :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All One of my wife's forbears is a Martha LAW (- 1820s - 1901) She was born in Todmorden Lancs (or WRY, if you prefer) and died in nearby Bacup Lancs When she died she was living with her son Fielden LAW - the address on her death certificate is 1A Esther Place Bacup, as it is also on his death certificate in 1921 The Letters of Administration for the son Fielden give the address as "1A Hill Street Esther Place Bacup" A couple of websites do recognise Esther Place and show it as being off Todmorden Road at the eastern approach to Bacup I was fortunate to visit there in October 2017 but I could find no trace of it at all..! SO - my query is - does anyone have knowledge of that area, and can say where Esther Place is/was located, or whether in fact it had changed its name in the intervening years Is/was it in fact a street? - OR was it perhaps a group of terrace houses OR...? Suggestions welcome Many thanks for any assistance Regards Stephen Thwaite New Zealand

Explore Your Archive - Who Did They Think They Were? Help Index Bolton’s Criminal Past Join us in the Bolton History Centre for a hands-on archive experience. During the mornings between 10 am and 12 noon (except Sunday) there will be an opportunity to help index Bolton's criminal past. http://www.boltonlams.co.uk/whats-on/1874/explore-your-archive-help-index-boltons-criminal-past-boltons-history-centre Take on the role of archivist for the morning by helping us create a name index to our early court records. Join us to record the key information contained in these important records to help preserve and make the collection more accessible. Bolton Central Library's History Centre Le Mans Crescent Bolton BL1 1SE Phone: 01204 332853 Email: [email protected] www.mylifeinbolton.org.uk

Hi all This family seemed to move between Birkenhead and Liverpool. Edward Thomas Holland b abt 1856 Birkenhead, his wife Mary Jane Heywood was born in Lancaster abt 1858 The family name obviously originated from "Houlihan" as there are entries with that spelling. (hoolan Houlan, and others) The family seems to continue to use the Irish variations or HOLLAND, so very hard to follow them. their son Thomas HOLLAND b 1884, went to Australia and died at Fromelles in WW1 and his name has Houlan in brackets in his army file . I have all Tom's Aussie records. I am trying to track down what happened to the siblings of Thomas (to help identify the soldier by eventually finding some relatives with DNA matches) Tom's siblings. George James b 1880. Margaret 1882 Edward 1886 John 1894 I think George James married Millicent Callister and had a family. But would be very interested in finding out what happened to the other three. Most grateful for your help/advice. Kind regards Marg O'Leary

>From Bolton Council: Join us in the Bolton History Centre between Saturday 18 November and Saturday 25 November (except Sunday 19 November) and delve into Bolton’s past through a selection of our archive and local studies collections. Each day we will either open up a story box on a variety of different subjects or showcase specific collections which are useful resources for family, local or social historians. The collections on display will illustrate Bolton’s heritage through photographs, diaries, letters, minute books, newspapers, posters and architectural drawings. See below for more details: Saturday 18 November 2pm to 3pm: A history of Bolton Library & Museum Monday 20 November 2pm to 3pm: Vehicle Licensing Records Tuesday 21 November 2pm to 3pm: Family History Hack- Illegitimacy Records Wednesday 22 November 2pm to 3pm: A History of Bolton’s Theatres Thursday 23 November 2pm to 3pm: The Power and the Glory: 500 years of religion in Bolton Libraries Special Collections Friday 24 November 2pm to 3pm: Family History Hack - Workhouse Creed Registers Saturday 25 November 2pm to 3pm: Records of Crime & Punishment Bolton's Central Library History Centre Le Mans Crescent Bolton BL1 1SE Phone: 01204 332853 Email: [email protected] www.mylifeinbolton.org.uk

>From Bolton Council: Radical Bolton archive session and walking tour Friday 17 November Time: 12:00pm - 2:30pm Cost: free Booking required This tour will involve looking at material from Bolton Museum’s archive collection followed by a walking tour. Bolton has a fascinating history linked to anti-slavery, workers’ rights, LGBT history, Spanish Civil War, suffragettes and activism etc. So pull on your hat of liberty and dig out your radical raincoat as we explore these stories with Suzanne Hindle Tour Guide. Please book your free place on Eventbrite or call 01204 332853. https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/o/bolton-library-and-museum-services-7822730464 Bolton Central Library's History Centre Le Mans Crescent Bolton BL1 1SE Phone: 01204 332853 Email: [email protected] www.mylifeinbolton.org.uk

I am looking for my PIERCE family in Haslingden . Found a marriage which fits James PEERS mar Betty GUYE 8/1803 The church record how ever has James PEERS mar Betty GUYE but James has signed as James PEARS , Betty with an X . at Goodshaw Chapel , Haslingden . The OPC records for Goodshaw have 3 churches listed , the C of E which shows records the Baptist New Church and the Baptist Old Church have no records . All the children b Haslingden and Chorley were baptised C of E possibly the wife's choice of church . Are there any records for this Baptist Church ?? I am aware that often marriages were performed at the nearest church or even hall !!! . I have spent hrs checking OPC records in Lancs . with no luck . Pleased to hear from anyone who knows anything about this chapel . The fact James could write his name I feel is another step forward in my search . I have found over 30 spellings for this surname . Shirley in NZ

Hi again Marg, This is a bit more promising but needs proof. According to the GRO index John was born Q1 1892 in Birkenhead. John Holland in the 1911 England Census Name: John Holland Age in 1911: 19 Estimated birth year: abt 1892 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Male Birth Place: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Bolton Search Photos: Search for 'Bolton' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 210 St Grorgis Road Bolton Marital Status: Single Occupation: Vencuhpantor Elmentary School Teacher Registration district: Bolton Registration District Number: 461 Sub-registration district: Little Bolton ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Piece: 23393 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Ignatius Mucer 39 Jane Mucer 33 Mary Jane Monica Mucer 1 John Holland 19 There is a marriage for a John HOLLAND Q3 1920 in Birkenhead to Margaret McKeown. I cannot find the certificate online. Whether one or both of these is your John I cannot be sure. Christine -----Original Message----- From: marg Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 11:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LAN] Edward Thomas HOLLAND (Houlihan) b 1826 Hi all This family seemed to move between Birkenhead and Liverpool. Edward Thomas Holland b abt 1856 Birkenhead, his wife Mary Jane Heywood was born in Lancaster abt 1858 The family name obviously originated from "Houlihan" as there are entries with that spelling. (hoolan Houlan, and others) The family seems to continue to use the Irish variations or HOLLAND, so very hard to follow them. their son Thomas HOLLAND b 1884, went to Australia and died at Fromelles in WW1 and his name has Houlan in brackets in his army file . I have all Tom's Aussie records. I am trying to track down what happened to the siblings of Thomas (to help identify the soldier by eventually finding some relatives with DNA matches) Tom's siblings. George James b 1880. Margaret 1882 Edward 1886 John 1894 I think George James married Millicent Callister and had a family. But would be very interested in finding out what happened to the other three. Most grateful for your help/advice. Kind regards Marg O'Leary