Mike is right! Another good one that I've been using for years is Genuki. When I first started this lark, I probably referred to it 5 or 6 times a day! For someone who wasn't born in England it is a must see and completely free as well Mary Lou -----Original Message----- From: Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> To: Lynne <lklein@mindspring.com>; lancsgen <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, May 10, 2018 9:44 am Subject: [LAN] Re: National Registers Which is another reason people should subscribe to the Rootsweb lists. I must have save a small fortune and had free family tree lessons all from responses from our kind list members. Mike Morris Toronto Canada From: Lynne <lklein@mindspring.com> To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com; lancsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 10:37 AM No one has ever said that ours is an inexpensive hobby! Snip> _______________________________________________:-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-:GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com:-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-:_______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Which is another reason people should subscribe to the Rootsweb lists. I must have save a small fortune and had free family tree lessons all from responses from our kind list members. Mike Morris  Toronto Canada From: Lynne <lklein@mindspring.com> To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com; lancsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 10:37 AM No one has ever said that ours is an inexpensive hobby! Snip>

No one has ever said that ours is an inexpensive hobby! Lynne Ann Speakman [mailto:als296@gmail.com] wrote: <snip>I just feel for >other people studying family history who cannot access the information >without paying!

I agree with everyone's comments. When I started researching my family about the only thing available online was LDS's familysearch.org and it was much unreliable than now. You could buy the 1881 Census from the LDS on a CD. Otherwise you had to go to the PRO or a library in the area of interest. I used to go a few times year down to Bolton, Wales or Yorkshire to get access to various records or hire a researcher at the PRO (cheaper than my travel plus hotel). I paid about £200 to get all the fiches of the 1891 Census for Bolton area so I could continue work at home (also had to buy a fiche viewer). I joined the Aberdeen FHS because they had all the England & Wales BMD on fiche and used to go and stay over there for a few days to do some research. Martin Briscoe Fort William Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507) -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington [mailto:ovington.one@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 12:18 PM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] Re: National Registers To add to what others have already said What Findmypast and now Ancestry had, was paid for rights to bring them online If you go to most if not all libraries in the UK they have Ancestry and a great many have Findmypast to use for free All LDS FHS also have free access to both sites If you are lucky enough to be able to visit Kew it still costs for transport, time etc

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To add to what others have already said What Findmypast and now Ancestry had, was paid for rights to bring them online If you go to most if not all libraries in the UK they have Ancestry and a great many have Findmypast to use for free All LDS FHS also have free access to both sites If you are lucky enough to be able to visit Kew it still costs for transport, time etc Without the private companies investing in making various databases available online we would be back where we were twenty years ago where it took a 30+ mile round trip, plus parking to check one GRO index entry, then a trip home to send a cheque to order a certificate, at least half a day for one small piece of research that now can be done in a couple of minutes from the comfort of your own home Far more people now have access to records that were once the preserve of the very fortunate or rich Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10-May-18 10:23 AM, Ann Speakman wrote: > I am reading posts about the national registers with interest, but I am not > pleased that private companies like FMP and Ancestry can get sole rights to > them. I am an Ancestry Subscriber and Genes Reunited plus free site > subscriber. > > I now see that if I want access to the Registers in full I will have to > subscribe to FMP or go to the Natonal Archive to see them. Luckily, I live > in London and can make the journey to Kew to see them. I just feel for > other people studying family history who cannot access the information > without paying! > > Good luck everyone! > > Ann S

Ann If you were to go to the National Archives for anything that has been digitised and available online they will simply sit you down in front of a computer and point you at either Ancestry or FMP, whoever had the record in the first place. What do you think is missing? Regards John Hanson - researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names Researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk New family history conference in 2018 http://www.secretlives.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: Ann Speakman [mailto:als296@gmail.com] Sent: 10 May 2018 10:24 To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] National Registers I am reading posts about the national registers with interest, but I am not pleased that private companies like FMP and Ancestry can get sole rights to them. I am an Ancestry Subscriber and Genes Reunited plus free site subscriber. I now see that if I want access to the Registers in full I will have to subscribe to FMP or go to the Natonal Archive to see them. Luckily, I live in London and can make the journey to Kew to see them. I just feel for other people studying family history who cannot access the information without paying! Good luck everyone! Ann S _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

>>> I am reading posts about the national registers with interest, but I am not pleased that private companies like FMP and Ancestry can get sole rights to them. I am an Ancestry Subscriber and Genes Reunited plus free site subscriber. I now see that if I want access to the Registers in full I will have to subscribe to FMP or go to the Natonal Archive to see them. Luckily, I live in London and can make the journey to Kew to see them. I just feel for other people studying family history who cannot access the information without paying! >> I don't think FMP have any more information from the Register than Ancestry can give Fiona

Bear in mind please Ann, that before these private companies came in, access to the 1939 Register for England and Wales was entirely by post and incurred a not inconsiderable handling fee. Without these companies, that situation would not have changed - the National Archives certainly doesn't have the resources in time, money, expertise or labour, to put these things on the internet for free. Nor, frankly, do I see why the State (ie the taxpayers) should subsidise my hobby. If things were ever being taken out of free access and being put exclusively behind a paywall, then I'd be the first to complain, but it's not happened yet - though the ScotlandsPeople *Centre* at Edinburgh comes close. Even FamilySearch, ostensibly for free, comes with the caveat that the LDS church does it for religious reasons.

I am reading posts about the national registers with interest, but I am not pleased that private companies like FMP and Ancestry can get sole rights to them. I am an Ancestry Subscriber and Genes Reunited plus free site subscriber. I now see that if I want access to the Registers in full I will have to subscribe to FMP or go to the Natonal Archive to see them. Luckily, I live in London and can make the journey to Kew to see them. I just feel for other people studying family history who cannot access the information without paying! Good luck everyone! Ann S

I believe that FMP have a programme for updating the redacted records based on an ongoing comparison with GRO records. I have revisited records on several occasions and found further people revealed. Howard -----Original Message----- From: lawrencelowegeneral [mailto:lawrencelowegeneral@gmail.com] Sent: 09 May 2018 20:57 To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: John The Genes Subject: [LAN] Re: 1937 National Register If you are able it is worth checking searches on the 1939 Register on FMP and Ancestry not necessarily for transcription errors but to spot entries that were blacked out but are now opened up. Entries are opened up if a subscriber sends proof that the blacked out person has died. Of course the subscriber needs to know who the blacked out person is and that can be a bit of a guess but I have had an entry opened on FMP. However that entry is still blacked out on Ancestry. Lawrrnce Sent from Samsung tablet. -------- Original message --------From: John The Genes via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Date: 09/05/2018 19:04 (GMT+00:00) To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: John The Genes <john_the_genes@btinternet.com> Subject: [LAN] Re: 1937 National Register Yes, I've had the same experience with Ancestry -- I don't know that I've seen the same assiduity in FMP. -- John Lynch > From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> > The simple answer is yes > > The corrections or variations added to Ancestry once indexed, usually a > couple of weeks, will be searchable as normal > > On 09-May-18 6:51 PM, John The Genes via LANCSGEN wrote: > > Do they add the comment to the record for others to see? That's the > > action that matters. _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information.� http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator� at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY� Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

If you are able it is worth checking searches on the 1939 Register on FMP and Ancestry not necessarily for transcription errors but to spot entries that were blacked out but are now opened up. Entries are opened up if a subscriber sends proof that the blacked out person has died. Of course the subscriber needs to know who the blacked out person is and that can be a bit of a guess but I have had an entry opened on FMP. However that entry is still blacked out on Ancestry. Lawrrnce Sent from Samsung tablet. -------- Original message --------From: John The Genes via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Date: 09/05/2018 19:04 (GMT+00:00) To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: John The Genes <john_the_genes@btinternet.com> Subject: [LAN] Re: 1937 National Register Yes, I've had the same experience with Ancestry -- I don't know that I've seen the same assiduity in FMP. -- John Lynch > From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> > The simple answer is yes > > The corrections or variations added to Ancestry once indexed, usually a > couple of weeks, will be searchable as normal > > On 09-May-18 6:51 PM, John The Genes via LANCSGEN wrote: > > Do they add the comment to the record for others to see? That's the > > action that matters. _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information.  http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator  at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Yes, I've had the same experience with Ancestry -- I don't know that I've seen the same assiduity in FMP. -- John Lynch > From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> > The simple answer is yes > > The corrections or variations added to Ancestry once indexed, usually a > couple of weeks, will be searchable as normal > > On 09-May-18 6:51 PM, John The Genes via LANCSGEN wrote: > > Do they add the comment to the record for others to see? That's the > > action that matters.

The simple answer is yes The corrections or variations added to Ancestry once indexed, usually a couple of weeks, will be searchable as normal So anyone searching for the original or corrected entry will find it, they are signified by the correction in brackets under the original name The benefit of adding corrections is that the submitter is linked to it Often those entering corrections are also researching the same person which can be a useful link I have added many corrections & variations over the years (in the thousands) and am often contacted by those who find them I often find errors whilst searching for others and try to add the corrections as I go, so in my case I am not always connected but can sometimes put the enquirer in touch with the original researcher Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09-May-18 6:51 PM, John The Genes via LANCSGEN wrote: > Do they add the comment to the record for others to see? That's the action > that matters. > -- > John Lynch

Do they add the comment to the record for others to see? That's the action that matters. -- John Lynch > John > I have reported thousands of errors on both ancestry and findmypast and > neither send notifications these days of corrections. > > FMP used to in the early days but that was a long time ago Regards John

Hi Noreen You must have missed Fiona's other posts to the list. It IS a fascinating story! If you can't find Fiona's original messages in your InBox you can read the beginning post in the list's archives at https://tinyurl.com/yceqyv87 . Lynne N NASH <nnash@shaw.ca> wrote: > >It feels like we have come in the middle of a story. Could you please give some detail about who you are referring to and some background. Sounds like a very fascinating story. > >Noreen > >> On May 9, 2018, at 7:33 AM, Fiona Hall via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> There was an inheritance... <snip>

One of the advantages to Ancestry is that users can add variations and corrections which will also show up in the search when added (after a couple of weeks or so) Whereas with Findmypast you can only submit corrections and hope they agree with you, if the error is in the enumerators transcription you cannot change it I too have found lots of errors in the Findmypast version, so its good to have two transcriptions to check out Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09-May-18 4:02 PM, John The Genes via LANCSGEN wrote: > Howard, I have found the Find My Past version of the 1939 Register also to be riddled with errors. I've notified FMP as each one has turned up but received no notification of any changes.

John I have reported thousands of errors on both ancestry and findmypast and neither send notifications these days of corrections. FMP used to in the early days but that was a long time ago Regards John Hanson - researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names Researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk New family history conference in 2018 http://www.secretlives.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: John The Genes via LANCSGEN [mailto:lancsgen@rootsweb.com] Sent: 09 May 2018 16:02 To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: John The Genes Subject: [LAN] Re: 1937 National Register Howard, I have found the Find My Past version of the 1939 Register also to be riddled with errors. I've notified FMP as each one has turned up but received no notification of any changes. > -----Original Message----- > From: Howard Jones <howard.o.jones@gmail.com> > > Having now had a chance to try the Ancestry offering I found that I couldn't > find the first 2 people that I looked up because of transcription errors. No > such problems on Find My Past. _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

It feels like we have come in the middle of a story. Could you please give some detail about who you are referring to and some background. Sounds like a very fascinating story. Noreen > On May 9, 2018, at 7:33 AM, Fiona Hall via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > There was an inheritance... > > In his father’s Will he was left an allowance (with punitive sanctions should he become bankrupt or anticipate it in some way) so my Nana was brought up in genteel poverty. The boys went to private schools apparently. > But in the 1920’s his nephew – a solicitor's clerk – who was the sole executor by this time, embezzled the funds . Cue court cases and strikings off etc. leaving them in pretty dire straits. > They died within months of each other in separate geriatric wards just after the War. > > There was a large disparity of status between the great-grandparents. He came from a solid Victorian middle class doctor’s family and was destined for medicine himself when he dropped out as did his older brother. They never took part in the family life after that – no invites to sisters weddings etc. Sad really. She was the daughter of a labourer in an iron works who died in the workhouse. > > If this was a TV family saga you would say it was all too dramatic, but it’s all real. One day I will write that novel! > > Fiona > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Howard, I have found the Find My Past version of the 1939 Register also to be riddled with errors. I've notified FMP as each one has turned up but received no notification of any changes. > -----Original Message----- > From: Howard Jones <howard.o.jones@gmail.com> > > Having now had a chance to try the Ancestry offering I found that I couldn't > find the first 2 people that I looked up because of transcription errors. No > such problems on Find My Past.