Phil Have you checked the holdings of the Society of Genealogists in London - www.sog.org.uk The link below should give you the 19 entries that they list of Chipping in Lancashire http://s10312uk.eos-intl.eu/S10312UK/OPAC/Search/Browse.aspx?txtSearch=chipp ing&IndexCode=3&SearchMethod=1 Regards John Hanson - researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names Researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk New family history conference in 2018 http://www.secretlives.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: Phil Marsden via LANCSGEN [mailto:lancsgen@rootsweb.com] Sent: 05 June 2018 09:34 To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: Phil Marsden Subject: [LAN] Chipping Register Can anyone provide info on the following publication 'Chipping register : or an extract from the 3 ancient registers of ABC being a catalogue of the births, marriages and burials of memorable persons and ancestors to the inhabitants of this parish from 1559 to 1694.' Other than a very basic outline from Worldcat and Google I can't seem to find a copy. I have tried all the major on-line book depositories with no luck. I have Smith's History of Chipping and the LPRS transcript, this is something different. Any help would be much appreciated. _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Can anyone provide info on the following publication 'Chipping register : or an extract from the 3 ancient registers of ABC being a catalogue of the births, marriages and burials of memorable persons and ancestors to the inhabitants of this parish from 1559 to 1694.' Other than a very basic outline from Worldcat and Google I can't seem to find a copy. I have tried all the major on-line book depositories with no luck. I have Smith's History of Chipping and the LPRS transcript, this is something different. Any help would be much appreciated.

Hi Marg, Re: "So not the same George?" No, almost definitely not. From the Lancashire OPC: Marriage: 4 Nov 1855 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England George TOOLE - (X), full, Iron Moulder, Bachelor, Williamson St. Eliza Henrietta CONN - (X), full, Spinster, Williamson St. Groom's Father: Edward TOOLE, Iron Moulder Bride's Father: John CONN, Mariner Witness: Lewis Davies; Margaret Clansey Married by Banns by: W. R. Duncan, Curate Register: Marriages 1855 - 1856, Page 103, Entry 206 Source: LDS Film 1656679 This George is deceased according to the 1861 census, but I can't find anything registered... I suspect he ran off, and she declared him dead. George WOODS married Elizabeth (CONN) TOOLE at St. Peter's, Liverpool in the Sept qtr. 1872 according to information from Mike (CONN was transcribed as COW). This is the FreeBMD listing of the above marriage. Marriages Sep 1872 Surname First name(s) TOOLE - Elizabeth WOODS - George William District - Vol Page Liverpool - 8b 246 This may be Elizabeth in 1851. 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Socastle Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England HO107 / 2180 Folio 500 Page 21 First name(s) Last name - Relationship - Marital status - Sex - Age - Birth year - Occupation - Birth place Elisa Conn - Servant - Unmarried - Female - 17 - 1834 - Domestic Servent - Liverpool, Lancashire, England This showed up in 1851 as well. Who knows? 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Bedford Street, Toxteth Park Extra Parochial, West Derby, Lancashire, England HO107 / 2187 Folio 64 Page 28 First name(s) Last name - Relationship - Marital status - Sex - Age - Birth year - Occupation - Birth place James Johnston - Head - Married - Male - 43 - 1808 - Iron Founder - Scotland Euphemia Johnston - Wife - Married - Female - 44 - 1807 - - - Scotland George Toole - Step Son - Unmarried - Male - 22 - 1829 - Iron Founder - Scotland (Note: transcribed as TOOLEY, but there is no Y on the census page) hth David

From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> If you post the name and details of the man in WW1 we can look further but keep in mind that roughly two thirds of WW1 service records were lost in WW2 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) HI Nivard, I have a gr uncle who was very dear to my grandmother (her favourite uncle). I think he may have died in WW1 or perhaps even been executed? (I know it sounds strange, and a story of why this may have happened going through my mind is ever stranger, but it would be only guesswork by putting togeter different stories). She never spoke of him at all other than to suggest I name one of my children after him. She mentioned she had uncles in WW1 and they used to read out over assembly when she was I primary school all the names of the dead, and that was how they usually found out about their relatives!..and how she hated those assemblies with hours of names being read out sometimes. She lived in Manchester. Hugh Scott Henry Birth - Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958 - Ancestry.co.uk Date of Registration:Jan-Feb-Mar 1885 Registration district:Belfast Birth Country:Ireland Volume:1 Page:243 FHL Film Number:101060 his WW1 military service as far as I can find so far. 26 Nov 1914- 18 Jan 1915 • 21 Carlton Avenue, Moss Side, occ. fireman? (should have been Wireman), unmarried, pension record Annie Henry down as mother Enlistment -army wrote age down as 25yrs 8mths, should have been 29yrs 8 mths (probably heard a 9 instead of a 5, as sound similar-not in Hugh's handwriting, he only signed enlistment paper) 23rd Service Battalion Manchester Reg 21799 or 21499 (i can't make it out)1914-1915 • 21 Carlton Ave, Moss Side, Manchester 23rd Battalion, Manchester regiment . 21799 (or 21499) . Bantam (for men 5ft to 5'3") = 23rd battalion. http://www.wartimememoriesproject.com/greatwar/allied/battalion.php?pid=1087 18 Jan 1915 • 21 Carlton Avenue, Mosside Manchester "not being likely to become an efficient soldier" (likely too small), height 5ft 2in, chest on expansion 36 in, expansion 2.5in. https://www.pinterest.com/martynstanley/manchester-regiment-ww1/ . https://www.pinterest.com/pin/478155685417529293/ then IF the same person , I get from the British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 on ancestry Hugh Scott Henry - Military 1915-1920 • France IF SAME PERSON : Kings Liverpool Reg 108002, then Connaught Rangers 32425...France 22 Dec 1915, Medals Victory British star , 3 entries I found a Roll of honour Board near where he lived, maybe where he worked? Hugh Scott Henry -Military 1916 • 12 Harter St, Manchester roll of Honour Board 1914-1916 has a H.S. Henry Would of been a possible place of work as Harter St is close enough to 21 Carlton St Manchester (both places still exist 2016) then I found this (again, maybe not the same person) 7 Jun 1920 or 1921 or 1928 • Deserted 7/6/20, DISC Para 378 (18) K.R (1928). treated as "desertion". Possibly making a stand to support the Irish (timing earlier than 'mutiny'). (protesting British army treatment in Ireland) . http://irishmedals.org/connaught-rangers-mutiny.html . http://www.1916rising.com/pic_indianmutiny.html or possibly if he was in the desert in Nth Africa, maybe he just deserted. I heard from my grandmother that the men got sand underneath a certain part of their body and the pain was so constant and intense they could barely cope. She didn't mention who but it had to be someone she knew or that a friend knew. The thing is, My grandmother is very dear to me, and she wouldn't like this person if he was not a really nice person. I do not know if this is the same person or not. I cannot find any records after this of Hugh Scott Henry. Any help appreciated, Jan Noack

Hi David The previous husband George Toole was an engine fitter and George Woods is a basket weaver. So not the same George? Cheers Marg -----Original Message----- From: David <dvdwmore@telus.net> Sent: Tuesday, 5 June 2018 5:25 AM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com; marg <margrick@iinet.net.au> Cc: Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> Subject: Re: [LAN] Re: TOOLE family Liverpool. 1871 census missing Greetings, Re: "marg wrote: I have George and Elizabeth Toole (nee Conn) who have 3 sons, George, John and David..." and "I wonder if she remarried?... WOODS George W TOOLE Elizabeth Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/60/62... Mike Morris Toronto Canada" I believe that the marriage Mike mentioned happens after the 1871 census which has been (correctly) transcribed 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription RG10 / 3781 Folio 131 Page 9 Ainsworth Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England First name(s) Last name - Relationship - Marital status - Sex - Age - Birth year - Occupation - Birth place Georges Woods - Head - Mar - Male - 40 - 1831 - Basketmaker - Liverpool, Lancashire Elizabeth Woods - Wife - Mar - Female - 37 - 1834 - - - Liverpool, Lancashire Georges Woods - Son - - - Male - 15 - 1856 - - - Liverpool, Lancashire John Woods - Son - - - Male - 13 - 1858 - - Liverpool, Lancashire David Woods- Son - - - Male - 11 - 1860 - - Liverpool, Lancashire Now, the question is, did John and David keep the WOODS surname or go back to TOOLE when they married? hth David

Wow! Thanks Mike, Really scored a great one there. Thanks everybody Cheers Marg -----Original Message----- From: Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> Sent: Tuesday, 5 June 2018 5:48 AM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com; marg <margrick@iinet.net.au> Subject: Re: [LAN] Re: TOOLE family Liverpool. 1871 census missing Hi David, I think they were making their relationship legal :)) Regards. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ________________________________ From: David <dvdwmore@telus.net> To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com; marg <margrick@iinet.net.au> Cc: Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> Sent: Monday, June 4, 2018 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [LAN] Re: TOOLE family Liverpool. 1871 census missing Re: "marg wrote: I have George and Elizabeth Toole (nee Conn) who have 3 sons, George, John and David..." and "I wonder if she remarried?... WOODS George W TOOLE Elizabeth Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/60/62... Mike Morris Toronto Canada" I believe that the marriage Mike mentioned happens after the 1871 census which has been (correctly) transcribed 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription RG10 / 3781 Folio 131 Page 9 Ainsworth Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England First name(s) Last name - Relationship - Marital status - Sex - Age - Birth year - Occupation - Birth place Georges Woods - Head - Mar - Male - 40 - 1831 - Basketmaker - Liverpool, Lancashire Elizabeth Woods - Wife - Mar - Female - 37 - 1834 - - - Liverpool, Lancashire Georges Woods - Son - - - Male - 15 - 1856 - - - Liverpool, Lancashire John Woods - Son - - - Male - 13 - 1858 - - Liverpool, Lancashire David Woods- Son - - - Male - 11 - 1860 - - Liverpool, Lancashire

On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 at 22:37, Martin Briscoe (W10 laptop) <list@mbriscoe.me.uk> wrote: > > Going to be difficult, if it is an unusual name then they might be able to > find without a service number. > Shouldn't be a problem (he said optimistically and / or naively!) - the Army forms on the site are clear, SERVICE NUMBER AND/OR DATE OF BIRTH MUST BE INCLUDED So if you have no Service Number, a date of birth should work. Adrian

Going to be difficult, if it is an unusual name then they might be able to find without a service number. You could try local papers, there were sometimes mentions at the end of the war of local servicemen returning home. Any mention in the paper during the war will be unlikely to give any detail though there could be clues. If he married whilst still serving then the certificate might give rank and regiment. He should have got the standard service medals, are they listed anywhere? Was he a member of the RBL after the war, do they have any records? Martin Briscoe Fort William Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507) -----Original Message----- From: Samuel McNally [mailto:kathandsam@eircom.net] Sent: Monday, June 4, 2018 9:49 PM To: LANCSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] War Records Hi. I am trying to find the war records for my father and uncle in WW2 and as I have no Regiment or Service Number cannot get anywhere.T have tried Forces War Records site but to no avail as there are so many. Does anyone know of a site which gives next of kin on enlistment. Also I have a gt uncle who could have been in WW1 and the same thing happens no next of kin on either enlistment or even death if he was ever in the war. Many thanks. Kath McNally

Hi Kath WW1 & WW2 need to be considered completely differently WW2 service records are still with the MOD and will be until 2030 You can apply for them using the relevant forms Its a £30 non returnable fee https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records If you post the name and details of the man in WW1 we can look further but keep in mind that roughly two thirds of WW1 service records were lost in WW2 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 04/06/2018 21:48, Samuel McNally wrote: > Hi. I am trying to find the war records for my father and uncle in WW2 and as I have no Regiment or Service Number cannot get anywhere.T have tried Forces War Records site but to no avail as there are so many. Does anyone know of a site which gives next of kin on enlistment. Also I have a gt uncle who could have been in WW1 and the same thing happens no next of kin on either enlistment or even death if he was ever in the war. Many thanks. Kath McNally

Hi, The government hold the records of WW2 service men - but you can apply for them if you are next of kin. See: https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records/apply-for-someone-elses-records However, one of the pieces of information which they need to process your request is a service number - which you have not got. I'm not sure how far they can go if you don't have that information, but it might be worth contacting them. Be prepared for a long wait - it's a slow process. Regards, Dave Swarbrick On 4 June 2018 at 21:48, Samuel McNally <kathandsam@eircom.net> wrote: > Hi. I am trying to find the war records for my father and uncle in WW2 and > as I have no Regiment or Service Number cannot get anywhere.T have tried > Forces War Records site but to no avail as there are so many. Does anyone > know of a site which gives next of kin on enlistment. Also I have a gt > uncle who could have been in WW1 and the same thing happens no next of kin > on either enlistment or even death if he was ever in the war. Many thanks. > Kath McNally > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hi. I am trying to find the war records for my father and uncle in WW2 and as I have no Regiment or Service Number cannot get anywhere.T have tried Forces War Records site but to no avail as there are so many. Does anyone know of a site which gives next of kin on enlistment. Also I have a gt uncle who could have been in WW1 and the same thing happens no next of kin on either enlistment or even death if he was ever in the war. Many thanks. Kath McNally

Hi David, I think they were making their relationship legal :)) Regards. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ________________________________ From: David <dvdwmore@telus.net> To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com; marg <margrick@iinet.net.au> Cc: Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> Sent: Monday, June 4, 2018 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [LAN] Re: TOOLE family Liverpool. 1871 census missing Re: "marg wrote: I have George and Elizabeth Toole (nee Conn) who have 3 sons, George, John and David..." and "I wonder if she remarried?... WOODS George W TOOLE Elizabeth Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/60/62... Mike Morris Toronto Canada" I believe that the marriage Mike mentioned happens after the 1871 census which has been (correctly) transcribed 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription RG10 / 3781 Folio 131 Page 9 Ainsworth Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England First name(s) Last name - Relationship - Marital status - Sex - Age - Birth year - Occupation - Birth place Georges Woods - Head - Mar - Male - 40 - 1831 - Basketmaker - Liverpool, Lancashire Elizabeth Woods - Wife - Mar - Female - 37 - 1834 - - - Liverpool, Lancashire Georges Woods - Son - - - Male - 15 - 1856 - - - Liverpool, Lancashire John Woods - Son - - - Male - 13 - 1858 - - Liverpool, Lancashire David Woods- Son - - - Male - 11 - 1860 - - Liverpool, Lancashire

Greetings, Re: "marg wrote: I have George and Elizabeth Toole (nee Conn) who have 3 sons, George, John and David..." and "I wonder if she remarried?... WOODS George W TOOLE Elizabeth Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/60/62... Mike Morris Toronto Canada" I believe that the marriage Mike mentioned happens after the 1871 census which has been (correctly) transcribed 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription RG10 / 3781 Folio 131 Page 9 Ainsworth Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England First name(s) Last name - Relationship - Marital status - Sex - Age - Birth year - Occupation - Birth place Georges Woods - Head - Mar - Male - 40 - 1831 - Basketmaker - Liverpool, Lancashire Elizabeth Woods - Wife - Mar - Female - 37 - 1834 - - - Liverpool, Lancashire Georges Woods - Son - - - Male - 15 - 1856 - - - Liverpool, Lancashire John Woods - Son - - - Male - 13 - 1858 - - Liverpool, Lancashire David Woods- Son - - - Male - 11 - 1860 - - Liverpool, Lancashire Now, the question is, did John and David keep the WOODS surname or go back to TOOLE when they married? hth David

I wonder if she remarried?. The confusion in possibly another name CONN versus COW. Might be worth while checking. Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1872 Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference COW Elizabeth WOODS George W Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/60/62 TOOLE Elizabeth WOODS George W Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/60/62 WOODS George W COW Elizabeth Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/60/62 WOODS George W TOOLE Elizabeth Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/60/62 Check in the 1871 census for George Woods and see if she was living with him with her children ? Regards, Mike Morris Toronto Canada ________________________________ On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 11:41:42 +1000, marg wrote: I have George and Elizabeth Toole (nee Conn) who have 3 sons, George, John and David. I can track George jr through time, he marries Martha STOCK (they are in 1881 census) but need to find out what happened to mother Elizabeth, John 1857 and David 1860. I believe George sr died abt 1860 as Elizabeth is a widow in 1861 census <snipped>

Perhaps they emigrated to US, Canada, India, South Africa, Australia? Many did during that period. On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 11:41:42 +1000, marg wrote: Hi all I have George and Elizabeth Toole (nee Conn) who have 3 sons, George, John and David. I can track George jr through time, he marries Martha STOCK (they are in 1881 census) but need to find out what happened to mother Elizabeth, John 1857 and David 1860. I believe George sr died abt 1860 as Elizabeth is a widow in 1861 census (badly transcribed as Leigh Toole) After 1861 the family is missing in 1871, and later. Perhaps the three of them died. Or did Elizabeth remarry and they changed their names by 1871?

Hi all I have George and Elizabeth Toole (nee Conn) who have 3 sons, George, John and David. I can track George jr through time, he marries Martha STOCK (they are in 1881 census) but need to find out what happened to mother Elizabeth, John 1857 and David 1860. I believe George sr died abt 1860 as Elizabeth is a widow in 1861 census (badly transcribed as Leigh Toole) After 1861 the family is missing in 1871, and later. Perhaps the three of them died. Or did Elizabeth remarry and they changed their names by 1871? Would be most grateful for some help with this Cheers Marg O'Leary

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