The next meeting of the LFHHS Pendle & Burnley Branch will take place on Wednesday 20 June 2018. The meeting will be held in the usual venue, the upstairs meeting room at Colne Library BB8 0AP. Guest Speaker: Denise Adlard, who will give a talk titled "The Workhouse" and is an excellent speaker. The talk starts at 7.30pm - doors open at 7pm so there will be a chance to chat to other members and perhaps ask for help with any problems you have come across in your research. All welcome. The meeting room is upstairs but there is a lift available. The full address is Colne Library, Market Street, Colne, Lancashire, BB8 0AP. Please note: Colne Library closes to the public at 6pm. The meeting room is accessed via the rear entrance by the car park which is free in the evenings. See the websitehttp://www.lfhhs-pendleandburnley.org.uk <http://www.lfhhs-pendleandburnley.org.uk> for further information. Application forms to join the Society will be available - please just ask. -- Colin Spiller colin@thespillers.org.uk

Thanks john Who does one write to re the missing records? Cheers Marg -----Original Message----- From: John Hanson <john.hanson@one-name.org> Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2018 3:59 PM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com; 'marg' <margrick@iinet.net.au> Cc: 'Mike Morris' <morrisind@rogers.com> Subject: [LAN] Re: TOOLE family Liverpool. 1871 census missing All Now the records for St Peter, Liverpool should be on Ancestry but there is a great big hole in the marriages between 1844 and 1907. Certainly if you use the browse function. That is not just one missing but a lot as each book seems to cover a couple of years. Not the first time I have found gaps in big churches in Ancestry and I have found that the quickest way to try and sort it out is to write to the archive that the records came from as I never seem to get an answer from Ancestry. Regards John Hanson - researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names Researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk New family history conference in 2018 http://www.secretlives.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: David [mailto:dvdwmore@telus.net] Sent: 07 June 2018 05:01 To: marg; lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: 'Mike Morris' Subject: [LAN] Re: TOOLE family Liverpool. 1871 census missing Hi Marg, Stumbled across this just now; figured it might be significant (or maybe not...). Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1882 Surname - TOOLE Forename(s) - John Surname - WILLIAMS Forename(s) - Jane Church / Register Office - Liverpool, St. Peter Registers At - Liverpool Reference - 2122LP/74/63 This is the same marriage, except GRO Marriages Jun 1882 Surname First name(s) TOOLE John WILLIAMS Jane District - Liverpool Vol 8b Page 216 Can't find them further in the census. I also found a David TOOLE marrying a Mary Ann in 1896 or so, but when I looked in the 1901, they were both from Ireland hth David _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks Penny. I made a mistake and should have said "I didnt know if he was in WW1 not WW2. Thanks again for every nes help. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Trueman" <maudtrueman@gmail.com> To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 5 June, 2018 20:53:16 Subject: [LAN] Re: War Records Dear Kathy/Samuel, If your Great Uncle James Holden was born in 1883, he would already have been 31 at the start of WW1. He is unlikely to have been involved in WW2 especially. Best Wishes, Penny On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 8:21 PM, Samuel McNally <kathandsam@eircom.net> wrote: > Thank you all for the help you're giving me. My Gt Uncle was James Holden born c1883 to William and Alice Holden. I dont even know if he was in WW2 but can find no trace of him after 1901 so was trying to see if he was in the great war. The records I want from WW2 I will request through the site you gave me, many thanks. I dont have the service numbers but do have the dates of birth. > Once again thanks for all your help. Kathy > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

All Now the records for St Peter, Liverpool should be on Ancestry but there is a great big hole in the marriages between 1844 and 1907. Certainly if you use the browse function. That is not just one missing but a lot as each book seems to cover a couple of years. Not the first time I have found gaps in big churches in Ancestry and I have found that the quickest way to try and sort it out is to write to the archive that the records came from as I never seem to get an answer from Ancestry. Regards John Hanson - researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names Researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk New family history conference in 2018 http://www.secretlives.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: David [mailto:dvdwmore@telus.net] Sent: 07 June 2018 05:01 To: marg; lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: 'Mike Morris' Subject: [LAN] Re: TOOLE family Liverpool. 1871 census missing Hi Marg, Stumbled across this just now; figured it might be significant (or maybe not...). Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1882 Surname - TOOLE Forename(s) - John Surname - WILLIAMS Forename(s) - Jane Church / Register Office - Liverpool, St. Peter Registers At - Liverpool Reference - 2122LP/74/63 This is the same marriage, except GRO Marriages Jun 1882 Surname First name(s) TOOLE John WILLIAMS Jane District - Liverpool Vol 8b Page 216 Can't find them further in the census. I also found a David TOOLE marrying a Mary Ann in 1896 or so, but when I looked in the 1901, they were both from Ireland hth David _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Marg, Stumbled across this just now; figured it might be significant (or maybe not...). Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1882 Surname - TOOLE Forename(s) - John Surname - WILLIAMS Forename(s) - Jane Church / Register Office - Liverpool, St. Peter Registers At - Liverpool Reference - 2122LP/74/63 This is the same marriage, except GRO Marriages Jun 1882 Surname First name(s) TOOLE John WILLIAMS Jane District - Liverpool Vol 8b Page 216 Can't find them further in the census. I also found a David TOOLE marrying a Mary Ann in 1896 or so, but when I looked in the 1901, they were both from Ireland hth David

Hi Bob, Thanks to you and others for the responses. Came to the same conclusion as you re: Community of the Resurrection, to the point where I sent them an e-mail (no response). I've been doing this for a long 30 years and know my way around most of the web archives but this one has me stumped. I have a photocopy of one page, which I have compared with other books and register titles of the area (I have a very large elibrary) - just to make sure it is not a mis-titled edition of something else - but no joy. I shall keep digging around and post if I find anything. Many thanks, Phil. Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 18:59:18 +0100 From: familyhistory <familyhistory@bccy.org.uk> Subject: [LAN] Re: Chipping Register To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <6cc68b3d-6134-ddcf-7d43-246d1496809f@bccy.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Archive.org does have the 1559 - 1694 registers as transcribed by Alice Brierley for the LPRS in 1903. I assume this is what Phil referred to as the LPRS transcript. What an "extract .... of memorable persons and ancestors" could add to this is a little unclear. When I looked at the other 49 Worldcat documents where the "Community of the Resurrection (Mirfield)" was the sole author this doesn't look to be typical of their works. I wonder why a Yorkshire Monastic Order would be preparing such an extract. As we don't have a date for the document it is difficult to say if it pre-dates the LPRS transcript or was prepared by reference to it. I suspect Worldcat is attributing the document to the Community as there is no other author/publisher and the Community have simply catalogued it at some point. I spent ages a few weeks back in trying to locate a ships log that was reported in Worldcat. At first it didn't have a reference to a library that held it but eventually I traced the original to the Peabody Essex Museum, Salem, Massachusetts where it is catalogued on their system as being held in the Vault. The point here is that Worldcat seemed to have only a partial description of the document.

"Particularly after WWI there were family who did not want anything to do with the military after losing a family member i.e. did not want war grave, medals etc. " I cannot say 'unbelievable' but, I didn't think of that! Best Wishes, Penny On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:36 PM, Martin Briscoe <martin@mbriscoe.me.uk> wrote: > There are research projects looking into war casualties all over the country, mainly WWI but some WWII ones. > > Also there was the In From The Cold project where names could be passed on for investigation and possible recognition. > > http://www.infromthecold.org/ > > Particularly after WWI there were family who did not want anything to do with the military after losing a family member i.e. did not want war grave, medals etc. > > > > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > martin@mbriscoe.me.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Penny Trueman [mailto:maudtrueman@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 10:20 PM > To: martin@mbriscoe.me.uk; lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAN] Re: Commonwealth War Graves Commission needs help > > I too read that article Martin. > In these cases - > I imagine that the CWGC has worked hard on this already. > Not even an area of possible death/missing, coming up (so no possibility of being included on a memorial). > > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

There are research projects looking into war casualties all over the country, mainly WWI but some WWII ones. Also there was the In From The Cold project where names could be passed on for investigation and possible recognition. http://www.infromthecold.org/ Particularly after WWI there were family who did not want anything to do with the military after losing a family member i.e. did not want war grave, medals etc. Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: Penny Trueman [mailto:maudtrueman@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 10:20 PM To: martin@mbriscoe.me.uk; lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAN] Re: Commonwealth War Graves Commission needs help I too read that article Martin. In these cases - I imagine that the CWGC has worked hard on this already. Not even an area of possible death/missing, coming up (so no possibility of being included on a memorial).

I too read that article Martin. In these cases - I imagine that the CWGC has worked hard on this already. Not even an area of possible death/missing, coming up (so no possibility of being included on a memorial). On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 9:57 PM, Martin Briscoe (W10 laptop) <list@mbriscoe.me.uk> wrote: > I looked up a couple of the names. They seem to be graves with no CWGC > headstone or even the exact burial place not known. > > I was reading the BBC News article "The Boys On The Ice" how some cemeteries > will not allow a headstone to be erected without the permission of the owner > of the grave even when not known (and quite possible the owner (if one > alive) does not know they own it). > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/the_boys_on_the_ice > > > > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Penny Trueman [mailto:maudtrueman@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 9:44 PM > To: Lynne <lklein@mindspring.com>; lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LAN] Re: Commonwealth War Graves Commission needs help > > Nice one Lynne > Best wishes, Penny > > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Jan Sorry for the delay I got busy with other things Adrian appears to have covered most things I would agree with him that the second man you thought was him, wasn't connected The record showing he was discharged "not likely to become an efficient soldier" is unlikely to be due to his height, its more likely he was infirm, or incapable of getting to a fitter state, ie flat feet etc Curiously you have to have normal arched feet to be shot at ;-) Other than that I would say he gave a false age to better enable him to join up, the giving of Annie HENRY as his mother being next of kin backs that thought up I checked the 1939 NIR for a HENRY with that birth date, the nearest I found was a Frank HENRY born 5th Jan 1886 he was in Blackrod Lancashire and single There does not appear to be a death record for him in England or Wales, perhaps he returned to Ireland or went overseas? If he was dear to your grandmother its highly unlikely he was shot or executed, most families would have expunged him from family memory if he had, its far more likely he emigrated IMHO He was in England in 1891, 1901 & 1911, in 1911 he is 24 shaving two years off his age The reference to North Africa I suspect refers to WW2 and the desert rats rather than WW1 He would be to old for WW2 service Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > HI Nivard, > > I have a gr uncle who was very dear to my grandmother (her favourite > uncle). > I think he may have died in WW1 or perhaps even been executed? (I know it > sounds strange, and a story of why this may have happened going through my > mind is ever stranger, but it would be only guesswork by putting togeter > different stories). She never spoke of him at all other than to suggest I > name one of my children after him. She mentioned she had uncles in WW1 and > they used to read out over assembly when she was I primary school all the > names of the dead, and that was how they usually found out about their > relatives!..and how she hated those assemblies with hours of names being > read out sometimes. She lived in Manchester. > > > Hugh Scott Henry > > Birth - Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958 - > Ancestry.co.uk Date of Registration:Jan-Feb-Mar 1885 > Registration district:Belfast > Birth Country:Ireland > Volume:1 > Page:243 > FHL Film Number:101060 > > > his WW1 military service as far as I can find so far. > 26 Nov 1914- 18 Jan 1915 • 21 Carlton Avenue, Moss Side, occ. fireman? > (should have been Wireman), unmarried, pension record Annie Henry down as > mother > > Enlistment -army wrote age down as 25yrs 8mths, should have been 29yrs 8 > mths (probably heard a 9 instead of a 5, as sound similar-not in Hugh's > handwriting, he only signed enlistment paper) 23rd Service Battalion > Manchester Reg 21799 or 21499 (i can't make it out)1914-1915 • 21 Carlton > Ave, Moss Side, Manchester > > 23rd Battalion, Manchester regiment . 21799 (or 21499) . Bantam (for men > 5ft to 5'3") = 23rd battalion. > http://www.wartimememoriesproject.com/greatwar/allied/battalion.php?pid=1087 > > > 18 Jan 1915 • 21 Carlton Avenue, Mosside Manchester > > "not being likely to become an efficient soldier" (likely too small), > height 5ft 2in, chest on expansion 36 in, expansion 2.5in. > https://www.pinterest.com/martynstanley/manchester-regiment-ww1/ . > https://www.pinterest.com/pin/478155685417529293/ > > then IF the same person , I get from the British Army WWI Medal Rolls > Index Cards, 1914-1920 on ancestry > > Hugh Scott Henry - > Military > 1915-1920 • France > IF SAME PERSON : Kings Liverpool Reg 108002, then Connaught Rangers > 32425...France 22 Dec 1915, Medals Victory British star , 3 entries > > I found a Roll of honour Board near where he lived, maybe where he worked? > Hugh Scott Henry -Military > 1916 • 12 Harter St, Manchester > roll of Honour Board 1914-1916 has a H.S. Henry Would of been a possible > place of work as Harter St is close enough to 21 Carlton St Manchester > (both places still exist 2016) > > > then I found this (again, maybe not the same person) > > 7 Jun 1920 or 1921 or 1928 • Deserted 7/6/20, DISC Para 378 (18) K.R (1928). > > treated as "desertion". Possibly making a stand to support the Irish > (timing earlier than 'mutiny'). (protesting British army treatment in > Ireland) . http://irishmedals.org/connaught-rangers-mutiny.html . > http://www.1916rising.com/pic_indianmutiny.html > > or possibly if he was in the desert in Nth Africa, maybe he just deserted. > I heard from my grandmother that the men got sand underneath a certain part > of their body and the pain was so constant and intense they could barely > cope. She didn't mention who but it had to be someone she knew or that a > friend knew. > > The thing is, My grandmother is very dear to me, and she wouldn't like this > person if he was not a really nice person. I do not know if this is the > same person or not. > > I cannot find any records after this of Hugh Scott Henry. > > Any help appreciated, > Jan Noack

I looked up a couple of the names. They seem to be graves with no CWGC headstone or even the exact burial place not known. I was reading the BBC News article "The Boys On The Ice" how some cemeteries will not allow a headstone to be erected without the permission of the owner of the grave even when not known (and quite possible the owner (if one alive) does not know they own it). http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/the_boys_on_the_ice Martin Briscoe Fort William Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507) -----Original Message----- From: Penny Trueman [mailto:maudtrueman@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 9:44 PM To: Lynne <lklein@mindspring.com>; lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] Re: Commonwealth War Graves Commission needs help Nice one Lynne Best wishes, Penny

Nice one Lynne Best wishes, Penny On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 9:27 PM, Lynne <lklein@mindspring.com> wrote: > From the Commonwealth War Graves Commission: > > "Can you help us? > > "We're looking to contact relatives of the following First and Second World War casualties listed here: http://ow.ly/mPi130klLPC > > "Please help us by sharing our appeal." > > Surnames mentioned: > > CURNOW > DAVIES > EVANS > FORD > FRANCIS > GIBBONS > GOBLE > HARDS > RUSSELL > WAKEFORD > > If you are related to one of the above casualties and can provide the Commonwealth War Graves Commission with documentation, contact the UKNA Technical Team at enquiries@cwgc.org > > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

From the Commonwealth War Graves Commission: "Can you help us? "We're looking to contact relatives of the following First and Second World War casualties listed here: http://ow.ly/mPi130klLPC "Please help us by sharing our appeal." Surnames mentioned: CURNOW DAVIES EVANS FORD FRANCIS GIBBONS GOBLE HARDS RUSSELL WAKEFORD If you are related to one of the above casualties and can provide the Commonwealth War Graves Commission with documentation, contact the UKNA Technical Team at enquiries@cwgc.org

> Hugh Scott Henry > > Birth - Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958 - > Ancestry.co.uk Date of Registration:Jan-Feb-Mar 1885 > Registration district:Belfast > Birth Country:Ireland > Volume:1 > Page:243 > FHL Film Number:101060 > Looking at irishgenealogy.ie (a free site), this chap is born 5 Jan 1885 to James Henry ("machine master" of 53 Riga St, Belfast) and his wife, Mary Ann formerly Mhaffey(?). They appear to be at 95 Sussex St, Broughton, Salford, in the 1901 Census. Only you can say whether this is your chap or not. What appears to be him is then in both "British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920" and "British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920" on Ancestry." He volunteered 26 November 1914 for the 23rd Battalion, Manchester Regiment. This was a "Bantam" battalion (see http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-british-infantry-regiments-of-1914-1918/manchester-regiment/) formed earlier that month for guys who did not meet the regulation height but could demonstrate being fit enough to compensate. He gave his address as 21 Carlton Avenue, Moss side, Manchester, age 25y 8m (i.e. b1889). Occupation definitely reads fireman but if you have documentary evidence of wireman, I'm not arguing! Next of kin, Annie Henry (mother) of the same address. His medical history sheet in there confirms he was born Belfast. NB having a record in "British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920" does NOT mean that he had a pension - no-one quite knows why the so-called Pension records contain the papers that they do. Only you can say whether this is your chap or not. He was allocated number 21799 in the Manchesters and was discharged 18 Jan 1915, "not being likely to become an efficient soldier". Yes, "likely too small" is a possibility. There is a note of a form being sent to the Chief Constable of Manchester 23 Dec 1915 - this could be anything from evidence that he'd already tried to do his bit, to references if he were trying to join the police, to evidence if he were in trouble with the police. And that is it for his Army career. **According to those papers** he never signed up again, so he could not be any of the other guys, he did not receive any medals, did not desert, didn't go to France, etc, etc. In particular, he's not the Hugh Scott Henry of the Kings Liverpool Regiment, etc. Now, it is not impossible that he did sign up again but if he was too small the first time, it's not likely he grew any. In addition, he's actually **supposed** to give details of any previous service and if he had done so, then the forms would have been connected up and his first lot and second lot should have been kept together. If he gave a false name on any 2nd enlistment, then, of course, all bets are off. Adrian B

Dear Kathy/Samuel, If your Great Uncle James Holden was born in 1883, he would already have been 31 at the start of WW1. He is unlikely to have been involved in WW2 especially. Best Wishes, Penny On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 8:21 PM, Samuel McNally <kathandsam@eircom.net> wrote: > Thank you all for the help you're giving me. My Gt Uncle was James Holden born c1883 to William and Alice Holden. I dont even know if he was in WW2 but can find no trace of him after 1901 so was trying to see if he was in the great war. The records I want from WW2 I will request through the site you gave me, many thanks. I dont have the service numbers but do have the dates of birth. > Once again thanks for all your help. Kathy > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you all for the help you're giving me. My Gt Uncle was James Holden born c1883 to William and Alice Holden. I dont even know if he was in WW2 but can find no trace of him after 1901 so was trying to see if he was in the great war. The records I want from WW2 I will request through the site you gave me, many thanks. I dont have the service numbers but do have the dates of birth. Once again thanks for all your help. Kathy

Archive.org does have the 1559 - 1694 registers as transcribed by Alice Brierley for the LPRS in 1903.  I assume this is what Phil referred to as the LPRS transcript. What an "extract .... of memorable persons and ancestors" could add to this is a little unclear.  When I looked at the other 49 Worldcat documents where the "Community of the Resurrection (Mirfield)" was the sole author this doesn't look to be typical of their works.   I wonder why a Yorkshire Monastic Order would be preparing such an extract.   As we don't have a date for the document it is difficult to say if it pre-dates the LPRS transcript or was prepared by reference to it. I suspect Worldcat is attributing the document to the Community as there is no other author/publisher and the Community have simply catalogued it at some point.    I spent ages a few weeks back in trying to locate a ships log that was reported in Worldcat.   At first it didn't have a reference to a library that held it but eventually I traced the original to the Peabody Essex Museum, Salem, Massachusetts where it is catalogued on their system as being held in the Vault.    The point here is that Worldcat seemed to have only a partial description of the document. On 05/06/2018 12:35, Ruth Appleby wrote: > Did you try Archive.org? > > Ruth > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 5 Jun 2018, at 09:33, Phil Marsden via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Can anyone provide info on the following publication 'Chipping register : or >> an extract from the 3 ancient registers of ABC being a catalogue of the >> births, marriages and burials of memorable persons and ancestors to the >> inhabitants of this parish from 1559 to 1694.' Other than a very basic >> outline from Worldcat and Google I can't seem to find a copy. I have tried >> all the major on-line book depositories with no luck. I have Smith's >> History of Chipping and the LPRS transcript, this is something different. >> Any help would be much appreciated. >> >> >> -- Bob C http://www.bccy.org.uk and http://extra.bccy.org.uk

Hi Phil I would also like to see this if you find one (and I will start to look now you have identified it). My ancestors from there are HEWITT and perhaps one married a PARKINSON/VYE. 1720 b William HAWOT .....then Lawrence’s and NIcholas as first names Hope you find what you are looking for. Gwynne Wilson-Brown Sent from my iPad > On 5 Jun 2018, at 09:33, Phil Marsden via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Can anyone provide info on the following publication 'Chipping register : or > an extract from the 3 ancient registers of ABC being a catalogue of the > births, marriages and burials of memorable persons and ancestors to the > inhabitants of this parish from 1559 to 1694.' Other than a very basic > outline from Worldcat and Google I can't seem to find a copy. I have tried > all the major on-line book depositories with no luck. I have Smith's > History of Chipping and the LPRS transcript, this is something different. > Any help would be much appreciated. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Did you try Archive.org? Ruth Sent from my iPhone > On 5 Jun 2018, at 09:33, Phil Marsden via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Can anyone provide info on the following publication 'Chipping register : or > an extract from the 3 ancient registers of ABC being a catalogue of the > births, marriages and burials of memorable persons and ancestors to the > inhabitants of this parish from 1559 to 1694.' Other than a very basic > outline from Worldcat and Google I can't seem to find a copy. I have tried > all the major on-line book depositories with no luck. I have Smith's > History of Chipping and the LPRS transcript, this is something different. > Any help would be much appreciated. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Being an "extract" made me think that this was possibly a manuscript document of the type found in the LDS catalogue where only a single copy exists and is held by the church.   I searched the catalogue but couldn't find anything that matched the description. I looked at Wordcat and find that the Author was the Community of the Ressurection (Mirfield).   The Community appears to be a monastic order and has an extensive library - perhaps and inquiry to them might be appropriate. https://www.mirfield.org.uk/mirfield-centre/library-learning-resources/ On 05/06/2018 09:33, Phil Marsden via LANCSGEN wrote: > Can anyone provide info on the following publication 'Chipping register : or > an extract from the 3 ancient registers of ABC being a catalogue of the > births, marriages and burials of memorable persons and ancestors to the > inhabitants of this parish from 1559 to 1694.' Other than a very basic > outline from Worldcat and Google I can't seem to find a copy. I have tried > all the major on-line book depositories with no luck. I have Smith's > History of Chipping and the LPRS transcript, this is something different. > Any help would be much appreciated. > > > > > -- Bob C http://www.bccy.org.uk and http://extra.bccy.org.uk