Hi Teri I assume you mean the family in Stockport in 1851? In which case its William and *Martha* as parents both born in Mellor Derbyshire You can check their childrens births under civil registration 1837 to 1851 on the GROs own indexes, which include the mothers maiden name (note :- only as accurate as the informant/clerk or transcriber) SIDEBOTTOM, DAVID CORNER Order GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in STOCKPORT Volume 19 Page 318 SIDEBOTTOM, JAMES CORNE Order GRO Reference: 1846 S Quarter in STOCKPORT Volume 19 Page 269 SIDEBOTHAM, SELINA CORNER Order GRO Reference: 1843 J Quarter in WORTLEY UNION Volume 22 Page 702 SIDEBOTTOM, HENRY CORNER Order GRO Reference: 1839 D Quarter in STOCKPORT Volume 19 Page 248 SIDEBOTHAM, SARAH CORNER Order GRO Reference: 1837 D Quarter in OF THE STOCKPORT UNION Volume 19 Page 210 Which leads to the probable marriage (and Lancashire link ;-) Name: William Sidebottom Gender: Male Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1826 Marriage Place: Saint Michael,Ashton Under Lyne,Lancashire,England Spouse: Martha Corner FHL Film Number: 547825, 547826 (the above is from familysearch, also shown on Ancestry & Findmypast) In Cheadle all baptised on the same day 20th Sep 1835 John born 16th May 1817 (I suspect this should be 1829) Mary born 17th March 1819 (again I suspect 1829) Elizabeth born 16th Jan 1832 Michael born 23rd Dec 1834 Caroline born 29th Aug 1835 All children of William & Martha SIDEBOTHAM abode Brinksway fathers occupation Turner Also found, in the Chapelry of Mellor Derbyshire July 9th 1829 Mary Corner, daughter of William & Martha SIDEBOTTOM abode Longhurst lane fathers occupation Bobbin Turner Do feel free to join Derbysgen as Lynne suggests for your Derbyshire side https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/DERBYSGEN Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/07/2018 00:15, Teri Cleaveland wrote: > I am working on a family for a cousin. She has some family that came from > Derbyshire and I am having difficulty accessing any info. > > I have a William Sidebotham born abt 1800, married to a Margaret _____, > probably about 1828. Then 2 daughters were born to the couple: Mary in 1829 > and Elizabeth in 1832. All of this in Mellor, Derbyshire. > > I have the family in Cheshire after Elizabeth was born. > > Thank you! > > Teri Cleaveland

Cheadle is in Cheshire so you could try the list for there but the original parish records are available on https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.findmypast.co.uk&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=dZZXteQt3kjZZm_9XL9uQ7B2la0YxQMbIvKxS2RuZBA&s=D4j6qc4QCjGZlODBkg_Rtc7L614cTdOO9LXF6XmjJxg&e= with images The parish records for Derbyshire, with images, are available on ancestry Regards John Hanson - researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names Researcher, the Halsted Trust, https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.halstedresearch.org.uk&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=dZZXteQt3kjZZm_9XL9uQ7B2la0YxQMbIvKxS2RuZBA&s=O9GQrh2URpuPonNJh9dtLrQRPE4ZdGL7HD1h7-FAZnA&e= New family history conference in 2018 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.secretlives.org.uk&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=dZZXteQt3kjZZm_9XL9uQ7B2la0YxQMbIvKxS2RuZBA&s=9cY2ffgWdebwy85MBgNqeGOyv_imfYsYFWMB49JuHXs&e= -----Original Message----- From: Christine Benson via LANCSGEN [mailto:lancsgen@rootsweb.com] Sent: 12 July 2018 02:01 To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: Christine Benson Subject: [LAN] Re: Derbyshire Hi Teri, Is this the family with children Selina and Michael and others as well? If so the mother is Martha, not Margaret. If not where have you found the family and Margaret as I cannot find such a family. If Martha is correct then she is Martha CORNER From Ancestry Name: William Sidebottom Gender: Male Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1826 Marriage Place: Saint Michael,Ashton Under Lyne,Lancashire,England Spouse: Martha Corner The spelling of the name may be why you didn't find it. After I had determined the surname by looking up the later children's births on the GRO site (where some also have the same mis-spelling) I found a tree with that family also have the name CORNER for Martha. There is a baptism for Elizabeth in Cheadle in 1835, unfortunately text only and bishop's transcript, so I am not certain it is the right Elizabeth. SIDEBOTHAM seems to be a popular name in Mellor - there are a number of people with the same names. Hope this helps Christine -----Original Message----- From: Teri Cleaveland Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 12:15 AM To: England Lancashire email list Subject: [LAN] Derbyshire I am working on a family for a cousin. She has some family that came from Derbyshire and I am having difficulty accessing any info. I have a William Sidebotham born abt 1800, married to a Margaret _____, probably about 1828. Then 2 daughters were born to the couple: Mary in 1829 and Elizabeth in 1832. All of this in Mellor, Derbyshire. I have the family in Cheshire after Elizabeth was born. Thank you! Teri Cleaveland _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=dZZXteQt3kjZZm_9XL9uQ7B2la0YxQMbIvKxS2RuZBA&s=BlluYvKWcjQAPzv8PKT1Oa8xx7-oU1nUSfsXtYzbp-k&e= Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=dZZXteQt3kjZZm_9XL9uQ7B2la0YxQMbIvKxS2RuZBA&s=9Lh8HZ-h0SfLTX8_J5Ki620OylMEjsHW-xht2iqzpzM&e= Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/lancsgen/ Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=dZZXteQt3kjZZm_9XL9uQ7B2la0YxQMbIvKxS2RuZBA&s=iypZkiHAIphXFgi90RcC6vaNbTurPgqbivFDj0s2TJ8&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=dZZXteQt3kjZZm_9XL9uQ7B2la0YxQMbIvKxS2RuZBA&s=pGxa-x4gNkinf1DSIrB-2EqSvykwkhUeo3U6dQGwtvo&e= Rootsweb Blog: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rootsweb.blog&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=dZZXteQt3kjZZm_9XL9uQ7B2la0YxQMbIvKxS2RuZBA&s=zEEYRRghx6iqBUFKtWD2Wi_Y86Brc6G5KQtD-UPExfs&e= RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you, thank you. I'll have to go back over my notes to see where the mix up is. However, maybe there was a first marriage in Derbyshire? The census leads me there and the first two children were born there. Maybe a map will help as well. Thank you! Teri *** Ps 37:4-5 *** https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tcleaveland.lifevantage.com&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=65IannFEP-WUu2dPkcskL1y4VS5Co7viCCC2S3V-x6Y&s=woKqTKnOGHNJo1HvzXdq7_5gRsvQBUpjd4itj4D9Njw&e= On Wed, Jul 11, 2018, 7:02 PM Christine Benson via LANCSGEN < lancsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Teri, > > Is this the family with children Selina and Michael and others as well? If > so the mother is Martha, not Margaret. If not where have you found the > family and Margaret as I cannot find such a family. > > If Martha is correct then she is Martha CORNER > From Ancestry > Name: William Sidebottom > Gender: Male > Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1826 > Marriage Place: Saint Michael,Ashton Under Lyne,Lancashire,England > Spouse: Martha Corner > The spelling of the name may be why you didn't find it. After I had > determined the surname by looking up the later children's births on the > GRO > site (where some also have the same mis-spelling) I found a tree with that > family also have the name CORNER for Martha. > > There is a baptism for Elizabeth in Cheadle in 1835, unfortunately text > only > and bishop's transcript, so I am not certain it is the right Elizabeth. > > SIDEBOTHAM seems to be a popular name in Mellor - there are a number of > people with the same names. > > Hope this helps > > Christine > > -----Original Message----- > From: Teri Cleaveland > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 12:15 AM > To: England Lancashire email list > Subject: [LAN] Derbyshire > > I am working on a family for a cousin. She has some family that came from > Derbyshire and I am having difficulty accessing any info. > > I have a William Sidebotham born abt 1800, married to a Margaret _____, > probably about 1828. Then 2 daughters were born to the couple: Mary in 1829 > and Elizabeth in 1832. All of this in Mellor, Derbyshire. > > I have the family in Cheshire after Elizabeth was born. > > Thank you! > > Teri Cleaveland > > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=65IannFEP-WUu2dPkcskL1y4VS5Co7viCCC2S3V-x6Y&s=yfUeZvY0U6b-EoXwgowjuCleUczlAo-9eNcfNnT82MQ&e= > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=65IannFEP-WUu2dPkcskL1y4VS5Co7viCCC2S3V-x6Y&s=IDSM0rT0p4ZjgA06xjAV0M4AEhyTUg0uG4MOmWuN-R4&e= > > Unsubscribe and Archives > https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/lancsgen/ > > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=65IannFEP-WUu2dPkcskL1y4VS5Co7viCCC2S3V-x6Y&s=R6SNvC8ioMfX2VmGouEghziPS_jZAH5UokAQq23fpEY&e= Terms and Conditions: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=65IannFEP-WUu2dPkcskL1y4VS5Co7viCCC2S3V-x6Y&s=5gwBOYPBQMBkOVO4AU_wM7q9-PhEkNE_2FvkjArQqlU&e= > > Rootsweb Blog: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rootsweb.blog&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=65IannFEP-WUu2dPkcskL1y4VS5Co7viCCC2S3V-x6Y&s=1TBFVgd_88SQ1Q8eVv_DVLyVK-qdpVDRQliATFlizEo&e= > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hi Teri, Is this the family with children Selina and Michael and others as well? If so the mother is Martha, not Margaret. If not where have you found the family and Margaret as I cannot find such a family. If Martha is correct then she is Martha CORNER From Ancestry Name: William Sidebottom Gender: Male Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1826 Marriage Place: Saint Michael,Ashton Under Lyne,Lancashire,England Spouse: Martha Corner The spelling of the name may be why you didn't find it. After I had determined the surname by looking up the later children's births on the GRO site (where some also have the same mis-spelling) I found a tree with that family also have the name CORNER for Martha. There is a baptism for Elizabeth in Cheadle in 1835, unfortunately text only and bishop's transcript, so I am not certain it is the right Elizabeth. SIDEBOTHAM seems to be a popular name in Mellor - there are a number of people with the same names. Hope this helps Christine -----Original Message----- From: Teri Cleaveland Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 12:15 AM To: England Lancashire email list Subject: [LAN] Derbyshire I am working on a family for a cousin. She has some family that came from Derbyshire and I am having difficulty accessing any info. I have a William Sidebotham born abt 1800, married to a Margaret _____, probably about 1828. Then 2 daughters were born to the couple: Mary in 1829 and Elizabeth in 1832. All of this in Mellor, Derbyshire. I have the family in Cheshire after Elizabeth was born. Thank you! Teri Cleaveland

Hi Teri You need DERBYSGEN, a Derbyshire list for your query. This list is limited to discussion about Lancashire family history. Information and subscription links can be found at <mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/DERBYSGEN> Kind regards, Lynne list owner Teri Cleaveland <bunnypurple51@gmail.com> wrote: > >I am working on a family for a cousin. She has some family that came from >Derbyshire and I am having difficulty accessing any info. > >I have a William Sidebotham born abt 1800, married to a Margaret _____, >probably about 1828. Then 2 daughters were born to the couple: Mary in 1829 >and Elizabeth in 1832. All of this in Mellor, Derbyshire. > >I have the family in Cheshire after Elizabeth was born. > >Thank you!

I am working on a family for a cousin. She has some family that came from Derbyshire and I am having difficulty accessing any info. I have a William Sidebotham born abt 1800, married to a Margaret _____, probably about 1828. Then 2 daughters were born to the couple: Mary in 1829 and Elizabeth in 1832. All of this in Mellor, Derbyshire. I have the family in Cheshire after Elizabeth was born. Thank you! Teri Cleaveland ***** *Ps 37:4-7* *https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tcleaveland.lifevantage.com_&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=f7_pvch4im_N9qQHutU_ww7ydcc4b7CHvazS1xSpmic&s=D9en1mmFmPoBVDRi8ZppJnqRBqQXGHb5A-_EuXi6nm0&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tcleaveland.lifevantage.com_&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=f7_pvch4im_N9qQHutU_ww7ydcc4b7CHvazS1xSpmic&s=D9en1mmFmPoBVDRi8ZppJnqRBqQXGHb5A-_EuXi6nm0&e=>https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cleavelandindiansonline.com&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=f7_pvch4im_N9qQHutU_ww7ydcc4b7CHvazS1xSpmic&s=4OBEMYx-dzMhluiVGBXUk4soH67PW861tV1do8K9pPQ&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cleavelandindiansonline.com&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=f7_pvch4im_N9qQHutU_ww7ydcc4b7CHvazS1xSpmic&s=4OBEMYx-dzMhluiVGBXUk4soH67PW861tV1do8K9pPQ&e=>* *****

Trying again , my last message did not get through Recently discovered marriage for an older sister of my grgrandfather David PIERCE born 1830 Lancs . Betsy PIERCE mar Timothy FOTHERGILL . 23 Jan 1848 , St Mary , Lancaster she was bap 27.5.1817 , Chorley . Parents James PIERCE and Betty GUYEwho mar 1803 Haslingden , Lancs . Love to hear from anyone researching these families . Shirley nee PIERCE

I will have to look at it. This tree is for a cousin. Teri *** Ps 37:4-5 *** https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tcleaveland.lifevantage.com&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=tWKYkiVyW47iZIK-HI9EH6bpRaecORlSuBp3sdzsEvc&s=IzunUkK0jxl74SMxHKUV8WH9ytHwhsZf-Vuot9mCZkg&e= On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 10:01 AM jeffleater--- via LANCSGEN < lancsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Teri, > > I have this tree on Ancestry: "Griffith Family Tree" > > I put it on for a neighbour who is a decedent of James and Jane. > > https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/110620750/family > > > > jeff > > > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=tWKYkiVyW47iZIK-HI9EH6bpRaecORlSuBp3sdzsEvc&s=rKz-OUepkW5cZOsXUKdwBW-91HYqEWmhxkKxoL7jkj8&e= > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=tWKYkiVyW47iZIK-HI9EH6bpRaecORlSuBp3sdzsEvc&s=e9KVOYripIZEx1R2KbvnqibH5T6nCF0EE2ORljxC7Kg&e= > > Unsubscribe and Archives > https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/lancsgen/ > > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=tWKYkiVyW47iZIK-HI9EH6bpRaecORlSuBp3sdzsEvc&s=JxUW94yn3-HyDVZ9pUJaYhmhg82zffzluouz-BoYnRM&e= Terms and Conditions: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=tWKYkiVyW47iZIK-HI9EH6bpRaecORlSuBp3sdzsEvc&s=PjmnQ0AnBDTABQwizqVhyha3bdevGioIgV5rD16ppxY&e= > > Rootsweb Blog: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rootsweb.blog&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=tWKYkiVyW47iZIK-HI9EH6bpRaecORlSuBp3sdzsEvc&s=E64SxIoE5tor8rAhU8xz_fTtbgamxpHrBnf6s5IL17I&e= > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

You're welcome, Rod. I think that was the first time I used the word in a sentence! lol Lynne Rodney Whale wrote: > >Hello Lynne, > >Thanks for the message, after many years I have learned a new word! > >Regards, Rod.

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Teri, I think I would be looking at this one: Marriage: 5 Oct 1812 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England John Gee - (X), Billinge Ann Shaw - (X), Billinge     Witness: Wm. Bancks; Richd. Adamson, (X)     Married by Banns by: Thomas Pigot Curate     Register: Marriages 1803 - 1812, Page 382, Entry 5060     Source: LDS Film 1885690 About 7 months before the birth of Jane, also at Billinge in 1813, not unusual in those days. LOPC lists six children to John and Ann(e) baptised at Billinge St Aiden  between 1813 and 1825. (Daughters - Mary, ELLEN, Elizabeth and Jane, Sons - Thomas & William )   Taken together this looks like a single family. What census entry are you looking at when you say "Ann wasn't around in 1841" ? BobC On 07/07/2018 16:27, Teri Cleaveland wrote: > This is why I love this group! Always so willing to help! > > I've run into another dilemma: I am looking for a marriage for John Gee and > wife Ann. So far I've attributed several daughters to the family, Mary, > Ann, Elizabeth and Jane, the one who married James Crompton. > > According to the census (Ann wasn't around in 1841), the first daughter was > born in 1812. I found one marriage 5 Oct 1812 in Wigan to Ann Shaw, and the > other marriage 30 July 1810 in Manchester to a Ann Cook. Because of the > birth of the daughter, I am leaning toward the 1810 marriage. > > Is this the assumptionn that you would make? > > Teri Cleaveland > >

Teri, I have this tree on Ancestry: "Griffith Family Tree" I put it on for a neighbour who is a decedent of James and Jane. https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/110620750/family jeff

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This is why I love this group! Always so willing to help! I've run into another dilemma: I am looking for a marriage for John Gee and wife Ann. So far I've attributed several daughters to the family, Mary, Ann, Elizabeth and Jane, the one who married James Crompton. According to the census (Ann wasn't around in 1841), the first daughter was born in 1812. I found one marriage 5 Oct 1812 in Wigan to Ann Shaw, and the other marriage 30 July 1810 in Manchester to a Ann Cook. Because of the birth of the daughter, I am leaning toward the 1810 marriage. Is this the assumptionn that you would make? Teri Cleaveland Original message: (I am looking for a birth record. James Compton and Jane Gee were married in Mottram In Longdendale, Chester, 10 N0v 1833. There are no parents or birth location on the marriage document. Census after the marriage have them both born in Wigan (1851 census) and in 1861, James was born in Haskin in Lancashire. I come up with birth records for James in 3 May 1812 Bolton-le-Moors, Lancashire and 28 Dec 1811 Deane, St Mary, Lancashire. Not knowing the area, which seems like it would be the best option for his birth document? Thank you for your help!!) ***** *Ps 37:4-7* *https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tcleaveland.lifevantage.com_&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=9Ci2DLzqv7s5R5b6D1lrc5d0yJ4bF9L2U1zSCr7ZSNg&s=BqNdi7KLb3CSlQJWJJpRJhpLVhKcmsTzV6WHpeHGWpI&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tcleaveland.lifevantage.com_&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=9Ci2DLzqv7s5R5b6D1lrc5d0yJ4bF9L2U1zSCr7ZSNg&s=BqNdi7KLb3CSlQJWJJpRJhpLVhKcmsTzV6WHpeHGWpI&e=>https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cleavelandindiansonline.com&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=9Ci2DLzqv7s5R5b6D1lrc5d0yJ4bF9L2U1zSCr7ZSNg&s=LgSC9KNKjD5lEA4Aa3OfCUUP1zd-s7cxQVwAiD7DM3w&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cleavelandindiansonline.com&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=9Ci2DLzqv7s5R5b6D1lrc5d0yJ4bF9L2U1zSCr7ZSNg&s=LgSC9KNKjD5lEA4Aa3OfCUUP1zd-s7cxQVwAiD7DM3w&e=>* *****

Regarding my previous post, it looks like my reference to Jane Gee's birth was possibly flawed. There is this burial : Burial: 11 Jun 1813 St Aidan, Billinge, Lancashire, England Jane Gee -     Age: 13     Abode: Billinge     Buried by: Rich'd Carr     Register: Burials 1813 - 1851, Page 2, Entry 10     Source: Original register at Wigan Archives Which could have been the one baptised in April 1813 if she had been baptised late and in contemplation of death.  However it is more likely have been : Baptism: 23 Mar 1800 St Aidan, Billinge, Lancashire, England Jane Gee - Daughter of Robert Gee & Ellen     Abode: Billinge     Register: Baptisms 1787 - 1812, Page 26     Source: Original register at Wigan Archives As the age would fit. So my previous suggestion regarding Jane looks reasonable. BobC

(sent again as original too large) Teri, First of all Mottram-in-Longendale historically was in Cheshire but geographically it is to the south east of Manchester.   It is not close to the town of Chester.   "Chester" was sometimes used to refer to the county of Cheshire. Bolton & Wigan are to the north west of Manchester and Heskin (not Haskin) is close to Chorley which is to the north of Wigan and the north east of Bolton.    Deane is a district of Bolton. I would have expected someone born in Heskin to show Chorley, rather than Wigan as their birthplace. Are you sure of the spelling of James surname - Compton is not all that common, unlike CROMPTON and I see that LDS show a Mottram in Longendale marriage between as James Crompton and a Jane Gee (AKA Jenny Gee in the notices of intended marriages). There seems to be a reference to James and Jane in this death record : Name     Ann Sidebotham Event Date     30 Aug 1928 Event Place     Seattle, King, Washington Gender     Female Age (Formatted)     80 years 4 months Birth Year (Estimated)     1848 Marital Status     Married Spouse's Name     James Sidebotham Father's Name     James Crompton Mother's Name     Jane Gee Which appears to refer to this birth : First name(s)     ANN Last name     CROMPTON Birth year     1848 Birth quarter     2 Registration month     - Mother's maiden name     Gee District     Ashton under Lyne County     Lancashire Country     England Volume     20 Page     114 So everything, including the 1851 and 1861 Ashton-under-Lyne censuses points to his name being Crompton. Ashton-under-Lyne is on the border of Lancashire and Cheshire, close to Stockport  and is normally considered as being in Cheshire, not Lancashire. Have you considered this Wigan birth record as being close enough in time and location to be your James : First name(s)     James Last name     Crompton Birth year     1810 Birth date     17 Apr 1810 Baptism year     1810 Baptism date     06 May 1810 Place     Wigan Birth place as transcribed     Standish Gate Wigan Denomination     Independent Father's first name(s)     Benjamin Mother's first name(s)     Betty County     Lancashire Country     England The National Archives reference     TNA/RG/4/1171 Description     LANCASHIRE: Wigan, Standishgate, St Paul's Chapel (Independent): Births & Baptisms Record set     England & Wales Non-Conformist Births And Baptisms Incidentally I see that the 1861 census shows Jane (Gee) as born at "Billing" which is almost certainly Billinge, again near to Chorley. Overall there is little to suggest a birth in Bolton, however why a couple with origins around the Chorley area married and lived in Cheshire, around the Stockport area, is a bit unclear.   Marriages usually took place in the bride's parish.  At first I thought she was the Jane Gee, born Jan 1812 whose baptism is shown at Astbury in Cheshire ( a few miles to the south of Stockport).   However that is unlikely as there is a Jane Gee still living in Astbury in 1841 and by then Jane was married to James.   Jane is more likely to be : Baptism: 11 Apr 1813 St Aidan, Billinge, Lancashire, England Jane Gee - Daughter of John Gee & Ann     Abode: Ashton     Occupation: Weaver     Baptised by: Richd. Carr     Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1840, Page 3, Entry 18     Source: Original register at Wigan Archives Ashton in this case would be Ashton-in-Makerfield (Lancashire) not Ashton-under-Lyne (Cheshire). BobC On 07/07/2018 01:14, Teri Cleaveland wrote: > I am looking for a birth record. > James Compton and Jane Gee were married in Mottram In Longdendale, Chester, > 10 N0v 1833. There are no parents or birth location on the marriage > document. > Census after the marriage have them both born in Wigan (1851 census) > and in 1861, > James was born in Haskin in Lancashire. > I come up with birth records for James in 3 May 1812 Bolton-le-Moors, > Lancashire and 28 Dec 1811 Deane, St Mary, Lancashire. > Not knowing the area, which seems like it would be the best option for his > birth document? > > Thank you for your help!! > > Teri Cleaveland > > > *****

Teri It would be a little unusual for someone from Wigan or Heskin to be baptised in Bolton. Have you discounted these? Baptism: 6 May 1810 Independent Chapel of St Paul, Wigan, Lancashire, England James Crompton - Son of Benjamin Crompton & Betty Born: 17 Apr 1810 Notes: [Father of Winstanley, Lancashire, Mother of Wigan] Baptised by: Alexr Steill Minister Register: Baptisms 1777 - 1837, Page 45, Entry 18 Source: LDS Film 560905 Baptism: 15 Sep 1810 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England James Crompton - (Base) Son of Betty Crompton Born: 19 Aug Abode: Aspull Register: Baptisms 1799 - 1812, Page 348 Source: Original register at Wigan Archives Both on Lan OPC Site regards Pamela ------ Original Message ------ From: "Teri Cleaveland" <bunnypurple51@gmail.com> To: familyhistory@bccy.org.uk; "England Lancashire email list" <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: 07/07/2018 14:10:20 Subject: [LAN] Re: Birth record >T >:-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > >G

Thank you Bob for the thorough answer. It is Crompton, I didn't proof read before I sent. I have all of their marriage data, and I had attached Jane to John and Ann. I have most of the US stuff that I've been able to find. I know the family settled in Hyde. I had considered Ben and Betty Crompton as his parents, but just wasn't sure, not knowing the area. I couldn't find a mention of a month for his birth anywhere to clinch the deal. Thanks to you Jeff for the clarification. Again, thank you! Teri *** Ps 37:4-5 *** https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tcleaveland.lifevantage.com&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=bcZ9nVh4A2KhHJuxKs5AtJP9c9vx5wRSA3ICtquWGDk&m=K8HTfE4HNykAg5kToIQVSHR5zIeJOdYoC3SplLHPHOM&s=6O5gQqlvXwDBNkf2w65fmm5KkfCFuDlWSTwxbLakFkU&e=

That should have been James GOMPTON. sorry

Teri, He is mis-transcribed on the 1841 census as James GOMTON on Ancestry. He Jane and eldest son John are in Mottram in Longdendale He passed away in 1869 aged 58 in Hyde Cheshire (via Cheshire BMD) or October quarter: Stockport Cheshire. Vol 8a page 11 jeff