Many thanks for this link, Lynne. Carol -----Original Message----- From: Lynne <lklein@mindspring.com> To: Undisclosed recipients:; Sent: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 21:41 Subject: [LAN] Register of Electors - borough of Liverpool, 1833 (1834) Available on Google Books and searchable: Register of Electors - borough of Liverpool, 1833 (1834). Everton, Kirkdale, Liverpool, Toxteth Park, etc. https://tinyurl.com/y9hdbflt _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/lancsgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Available on Google Books and searchable: Register of Electors - borough of Liverpool, 1833 (1834). Everton, Kirkdale, Liverpool, Toxteth Park, etc. https://tinyurl.com/y9hdbflt

Hi Lynne My email address is jds1949@gmail.com Regards, Dave Swarbrick On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 at 17:40, Lynne <lklein@mindspring.com> wrote: > Hi Dave > > Please contact me privately off list so I can get your email address. > Someone wants to contact you privately about SWARBRICKs amd your email > address no longer appears in the list's archives. > > Thanks! > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives > https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/lancsgen > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hi Denise, I only knew about that site, because some query about a Blackburn Fire has cropped up before - not necessarily on Lancsgen. It's strange that it was empty -- that makes it look more like an insurance scam actually. I come from Blackburn and am ashamed to say I cannot remember that shop (nor the fire!) - and - yes I am definitely old enough to have been around when the shop was there! Regards June From: Denise Light via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: Denise Light <denise.light3@ntlworld.com> Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2018, 19:59 Subject: [LAN] Re: Neville's of Blackburn Thank you so much for the quick responses. I would never have thought about looking for a website called Blackburn Fire History. I am going to see if I can get full articles about it now. I find it quite intriguing because at the time my mum thought it was an insurance scam. And now I read that the shop was empty of goods! Nevilles was an old shop. I remember going in there in the 1950s. I don't remember much about it but I do remember the wooden floors which presumably helped the fire to take hold! Regards Denise _

My Gt Gt Grandfather John MENZIES moved to Newark, Nottinghamshire from Durisdeer, Dumfriesshire before the 1841 census. He was joined shortly after by two younger brothers, Robert and Thomas. Thomas married Mary Ann WALSTER and they had several children including a son, William Robert MENZIES born 1859 in Newark. William Robert MENZIES married Harriet BROWN and they moved to Burnley. They also had several children, Elizabeth Ann b1883, Agnes b 1885, William Robert b1895, Lilly M b 1899, Thomas Andrew b1904 and Laura b 1907. There was also one son who died as a baby, Thomas b 1897 and died 1897. In 1911 they were at Springfield House, Clowbridge, Burnley. I would love to hear from anyone who has this Menzies family in their tree. Dot Menzies Holden

I have heard that as well ;-) But I think most don't realise just how big it was from about 1880 to the second war, it was massive Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 17/07/2018 20:08, Lynne wrote: > I hear there's some sort of cycling event going on right now on the other side of the Channel. ;-) > > Lynne > > > Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: >> > <snip> >> >> Cycling was a huge participant and professional sport back in the day

I hear there's some sort of cycling event going on right now on the other side of the Channel. ;-) Lynne Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > <snip> > >Cycling was a huge participant and professional sport back in the day > >Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

I should have added A person could think they were born in one place but was actually born in another, for example if their parents moved whilst they were an infant Does the target have any known siblings, where and when were they born Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 17/07/2018 19:54, Nivard Ovington wrote: > The 1841 would only record the county where he was born, not the place > > Someone could easily be born in one place and baptised in another, that > is presupposing he was baptised or was baptised and can be found in a > record online

Thank you so much for the quick responses. I would never have thought about looking for a website called Blackburn Fire History. I am going to see if I can get full articles about it now. I find it quite intriguing because at the time my mum thought it was an insurance scam. And now I read that the shop was empty of goods! Nevilles was an old shop. I remember going in there in the 1950s. I don't remember much about it but I do remember the wooden floors which presumably helped the fire to take hold! Regards Denise -----Original Message----- From: June Dowling via LANCSGEN [mailto:lancsgen@rootsweb.com] Sent: 17 July 2018 15:25 To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: June Dowling Subject: [LAN] Re: Neville's of Blackburn Hi Denise, It seems to be 1968 -- I hope this link works from a site named 'Blackburn Fire History. http://www.blackburnfirehistory.org.uk/google-search?st=neville%27s+shop Regards June From: Denise Light via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> To: LANCSGEN@rootsweb.com Cc: Denise Light <denise.light3@ntlworld.com> Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2018, 14:56 Subject: [LAN] Neville's of Blackburn Hello, Before I ask the library to do a long search I am wondering if there is anyone who knows or can remember when Neville's shop in Darwen St, Blackburn burnt down. The nearest I can get at the moment is after 1962 but before 1975. I am looking to obtain any newspaper articles about the fire so obviously finding out when it happened is important. I look forward to hearing from somebody about this Regards Denise _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/lancsgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/lancsgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

The 1841 would only record the county where he was born, not the place Someone could easily be born in one place and baptised in another, that is presupposing he was baptised or was baptised and can be found in a record online And yes you would list them out and *kill* them off one by one if you can, did they marry, where and when did they die etc Starting with the nearest to Wigan and working your way out Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 17/07/2018 19:45, Teri Cleaveland wrote: > John Gee said that he was born in 1791 at Wigan on the 1841, 1851 and 1861 > censuses. According to the online map, most o these seem to be too far > away, although I don't know about Bolton. > > I think I may have found his wife Ann Shaw, born in Leigh, but not sure > since she died before 1841 and I've not found a death record that gives me > enough clues. > How do you decide which one? > > Do you track down each one? > > Teri > > > Baptism: 3 May 1789 St Mary the Virgin, Eccles, Lancashire, England > John Gee - Son of Thomas Gee & Margaret Abode: Eccles > > Baptism: 19 Jul 1789 St Luke (formerly St Wilfrid), Farnworth (Widnes), > Lancashire, England > John Gee - Son of Richd. Gee & Hannah Abode: > Cronton > > > > Baptism: 6 Feb 1790 Emmanuel, Holcombe, Lancashire, England > John Gee - Son of Thos. Gee & Jane > Born: 13 Jan 1790 Abode: Holcome > > Baptism: 7 Mar 1790 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England > John Gee - Son of Elizabeth Gee > > Baptism: 18 Jul 1790 St Mary the Virgin, Eccles, Lancashire, England > John Gee - Son of William Gee & Catharine Abode: Salford > > Baptism: 9 Jan 1791 St Thomas, Ardwick, Lancashire, England > John Gee - Son of Benjn. Gee & Hanh. Abode: Manchr. > > Baptism: 30 Jan 1791 St Mary the Virgin, Bury, Lancashire, England > John Gee - Son of Peter Gee > Born: 30 Dec 1790 Abode: Bury > > Baptism: 20 Feb 1791 St Mary, Radcliffe, Lancashire, England > John Gee - Son of Thomas Gee & Elizabeth > Born: 9 Feb 1791 > > Baptism: 4 Dec 1791 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England > John Jee - Son of John Jee & Mary Abode: Campfield

John Gee said that he was born in 1791 at Wigan on the 1841, 1851 and 1861 censuses. According to the online map, most o these seem to be too far away, although I don't know about Bolton. I think I may have found his wife Ann Shaw, born in Leigh, but not sure since she died before 1841 and I've not found a death record that gives me enough clues. How do you decide which one? Do you track down each one? Teri Baptism: 3 May 1789 St Mary the Virgin, Eccles, Lancashire, England John Gee - Son of Thomas Gee & Margaret Abode: Eccles Baptism: 19 Jul 1789 St Luke (formerly St Wilfrid), Farnworth (Widnes), Lancashire, England John Gee - Son of Richd. Gee & Hannah Abode: Cronton Baptism: 6 Feb 1790 Emmanuel, Holcombe, Lancashire, England John Gee - Son of Thos. Gee & Jane Born: 13 Jan 1790 Abode: Holcome Baptism: 7 Mar 1790 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England John Gee - Son of Elizabeth Gee Baptism: 18 Jul 1790 St Mary the Virgin, Eccles, Lancashire, England John Gee - Son of William Gee & Catharine Abode: Salford Baptism: 9 Jan 1791 St Thomas, Ardwick, Lancashire, England John Gee - Son of Benjn. Gee & Hanh. Abode: Manchr. Baptism: 30 Jan 1791 St Mary the Virgin, Bury, Lancashire, England John Gee - Son of Peter Gee Born: 30 Dec 1790 Abode: Bury Baptism: 20 Feb 1791 St Mary, Radcliffe, Lancashire, England John Gee - Son of Thomas Gee & Elizabeth Born: 9 Feb 1791 Baptism: 4 Dec 1791 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England John Jee - Son of John Jee & Mary Abode: Campfield ***** *Ps 37:4-7* *http://tcleaveland.lifevantage.com/ <http://tcleaveland.lifevantage.com/>www.cleavelandindiansonline.com <http://www.cleavelandindiansonline.com>* *****

Hi Robin, I know nothing about the cycling query I'm afraid -- but Copster may refer to Copster Green - a small rural village between Blackburn and Ribchester. It was a place people would go to on a Sunday for a wander round. There is a Brown Leaves Hotel nearby - maybe named after the 'Browns' bit!! There is a website called Accyweb -- and a history section on that site - if no-one can help you on here, it may be worth registering and raising your query on that Forum. Regards June From: "robin@scottishwool.com" <robin@scottishwool.com> To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2018, 18:33 Subject: [LAN] Browns and Copster 1927 In 1927 my father records cycling frequently from Accrington to Browns and Copster. He was active in the NCTC and BCTC  (possibly little Harworth Wheelers) Does anyone have an idea what was at these places? He also watched road races and later went on CTC camping weekends. Some of the CTC rides were midnight tours of over 100 miles Grateful for any help with sources for CTC archives or local knowledge Robin _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information.  http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator  at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/lancsgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Robin My great grandfather was one of the founders of a cycling club in East Retford Notts circa 1880, he was in various races and organised many events, he was also the timekeeper for a great many of them He appears in the newspapers at various times as a competitor or as an official So I would check the online newspapers for the clubs your father was in and I suspect you will find mention of the events and locations In 1896 my g.grandfather won a gold medal in a veterans race for completing 100 miles within 12 hours, he was 48 at the time Cycling was a huge participant and professional sport back in the day Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 17/07/2018 18:32, robin@scottishwool.com wrote: > In 1927 my father records cycling frequently from Accrington to Browns and Copster. > He was active in the NCTC and BCTC (possibly little Harworth Wheelers) > > Does anyone have an idea what was at these places? > > He also watched road races and later went on CTC camping weekends. > > Some of the CTC rides were midnight tours of over 100 miles > > Grateful for any help with sources for CTC archives or local knowledge > > > Robin

In 1927 my father records cycling frequently from Accrington to Browns and Copster. He was active in the NCTC and BCTC (possibly little Harworth Wheelers) Does anyone have an idea what was at these places? He also watched road races and later went on CTC camping weekends. Some of the CTC rides were midnight tours of over 100 miles Grateful for any help with sources for CTC archives or local knowledge Robin

Hi Bob --- thank you so much for solving that. Interestingly this shop 'Nevilles' was built on the site of the old House of Correction on Darwen St in Blackburn. It is known the House of Correction was there in the mid 1600s - but it fell out of use in the early 1800s. It was known as 'the dungeon'! Regards June From: familyhistory <familyhistory@bccy.org.uk> To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2018, 17:09 Subject: [LAN] Re: Neville's of Blackburn June, The problem you had was there is no apostrophe in Nevilles . This one was the one you wanted : http://www.blackburnfirehistory.org.uk/google-search?st=nevilles+shop BobC __

Hi Dave Please contact me privately off list so I can get your email address. Someone wants to contact you privately about SWARBRICKs amd your email address no longer appears in the list's archives. Thanks! Lynne

June, The problem you had was there is no apostrophe in Nevilles . This one was the one you wanted : http://www.blackburnfirehistory.org.uk/google-search?st=nevilles+shop BobC On 17/07/2018 15:32, June Dowling via LANCSGEN wrote: > The link doesn't seem to work properly --- try this; > http://www.blackburnfirehistory.org.uk/content/catalogue_item/1970s-articles/1960s/incidents-14/fire-nevilles-darwen-street-1968 > > June > > > > > -- Bob C http://www.bccy.org.uk and http://extra.bccy.org.uk

The link doesn't seem to work properly --- try this; http://www.blackburnfirehistory.org.uk/content/catalogue_item/1970s-articles/1960s/incidents-14/fire-nevilles-darwen-street-1968 June Contact the list administrator  at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/lancsgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Denise, It seems to be 1968 -- I hope this link works from a site named 'Blackburn Fire History. http://www.blackburnfirehistory.org.uk/google-search?st=neville%27s+shop Regards June From: Denise Light via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> To: LANCSGEN@rootsweb.com Cc: Denise Light <denise.light3@ntlworld.com> Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2018, 14:56 Subject: [LAN] Neville's of Blackburn Hello, Before I ask the library to do a long search I am wondering if there is anyone who knows or can remember when Neville's shop in Darwen St, Blackburn burnt down. The nearest I can get at the moment is after 1962 but before 1975. I am looking to obtain any newspaper articles about the fire so obviously finding out when it happened is important. I look forward to hearing from somebody about this Regards Denise _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information.  http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator  at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/lancsgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hello, Before I ask the library to do a long search I am wondering if there is anyone who knows or can remember when Neville's shop in Darwen St, Blackburn burnt down. The nearest I can get at the moment is after 1962 but before 1975. I am looking to obtain any newspaper articles about the fire so obviously finding out when it happened is important. I look forward to hearing from somebody about this Regards Denise