Hello all If you are curious to know where in the world your surname or the surname you're researching exists, you may be interested in what Dick Eastman wrote about the "Locate My Name" in a recent newsletter: "Locate My Name is a web site that promises to help you find distribution of names across countries and regions. The site mainly focuses on surnames, because more people with the same surname in a place, means something: either those people are in the region since long ago and the name originates from there or nearby, or members of the same family for some reason relocated there. The Locate My Name website is mainly used for finding origins of names, curiosity, entertainment and genealogy research. "Data from many countries is available, including: Argentina, Austria, Belarus, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Germany, Hungary, Latvia, Moldova, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Russia, Serbia, Slovakia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine, the United Kingdom, the United States of America, and more...." Read more on Dick Eastman's blog at <https://tinyurl.com/y8ndq8cp> The Locate My Name website is at <http://www.locatemyname.com/> Ancestry has a similar feature at <https://tinyurl.com/y7sfmgde>, but I believe it only draws upon statistics from the 1891 census. Lynne

From the Powers That Be: "We will be moving our Mailing Lists to newer and what should be better performing machines on Thursday July 26, 2018. "You can expect somewhere between 4 and 8 hours of downtime. "No emails will be lost, but everything will be delayed...." Keep your fingers crossed that all goes well! Lynne

Starting with this marriage, I started looking for Betty Dean's birth and parents. I can find her with a John Dean and Ann, baptized 1 Nov 1772. I believe this is her baptism. Can't find a marriage for a John Dean and an Ann. I did find a couple of births that I've listed below that might work, but I think it's pretty iffy. **Marriage: 16 Jul 1793 St Aidan, Billinge, Lancashire, England Benjamin Crompton - Shoemaker, this parish Betty Dean - (X), Spinster, this parish Witness: John Crompton; Molly Dean Banns Read: 31 Mar 1793, 2nd: 7 Apr 1793, 3rd: 14 Apr 1793 Married by Banns by: R. Carr, Curate Register: Marriages 1787 - 1799, Page 119, Entry 475 Source: Original register at Wigan Archives Distance = 0.00 miles Baptism: 26 Jul 1761 St Thomas the Martyr, Up Holland, Lancashire, England John Heyes - Son of John Dean & Ann Heyes Abode: Wigan Occupation: Joiner Notes: Mother single and child illegitimate Register: Baptisms 1735 - 1767, Page 46, Entry 11 Source: LDS Film 1657531 Distance = 2.79 miles Baptism: 29 Sep 1764 St Thomas the Martyr, Up Holland, Lancashire, England Henry Heyes - Son of John Dean & Anne Heyes Abode: Wigan Occupation: Carpenter Notes: Mother from Upholland and child illegitimate Register: Baptisms 1735 - 1767, Page 54, Entry 7 Source: LDS Film 1657531 Distance = 2.79 miles Baptism: 1 Nov 1772 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England Betty Dean - Daughter of John Dean & Ann Abode: Wallgate Register: Baptisms 1754 - 1778, Page 164 Source: Original register at Wigan Archives Distance = 4.28 miles There is a family of John and Hannah Dean. Their children run from 1759-1778. The eleven baptisms all show the mother as Hannah not Ann. I did find a birth for a Betty in Leigh, but I also found a marriage for that one so she didn't fit. I found another one born in Winstanley, but I believe that I found her marriage as well. I found another Betty born 1764 to James Dean and Ann, but I believe that she might be a little old for her husband Benjamin Crompton. Suggestions please. I am still pretty new at my UK research. Thanks Teri Cleaveland

Close to Copster Green on the Ribchester road there was a Pub - later became Margaret Grimshaw's Lodestar night spot.   I recall in the 1960's before a lot of modernisation took place there was a painted sign on the side for the CTC. -- Bob C http://www.bccy.org.uk and http://extra.bccy.org.uk On 23/07/2018 12:53, robin@scottishwool.com wrote: > Thanks June > > Already posted on Accyweb and you are right about the popularity of Copster Green. > > I’ve found the answer. > > Mrs Brown was in Sycamore Cottage in Copster Green. > > Clue came from an old article in the CPC Record about the origins of the Northern Cavern and Fell Club founded in November 1927 at Copster. > > I’ve also found a photo of a cyclist Wilf Banks outside Mrs Browns which has enabled me to cross check with modern photos (it was sold recently). > > Thanks > Robin > >

I had forgotten all about this Robin! Actually the chap belonging to AGSOB (Accrington Grammar Schools Old Boys) -- is also an avid participant on Accyweb. He has Accrington running through his veins! I am sure he will find someone to go to Lancs Archives. Regards June From: "robin@scottishwool.com" <robin@scottishwool.com> To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 23 July 2018, 14:30 Subject: [LAN] Re: Accrington Grammar School Belated thanks June He got in touch with me and has been very helpful However you are right – the older records are at Lancashire Archives. So we are looking for someone who visits there to take a look at the records. That is where we did our first course on archive research some 30 years ago.  It was great and on the Sunday I was able to handle some original documents concerning my family.  Robin                         

Thanks Martin That’s interesting I’ll check Dad’s diary as some of these rides were joint affairs. Seem to remember the Dad noted in his diary that Mrs Browns changed hands. Suspect it was before 1933 So highly likely that her CTC customers were happy to find her at Malham Robin -----Original Message----- From: "Martin Briscoe (W10 laptop)" <list@mbriscoe.me.uk> Reply-To: <martin@mbriscoe.me.uk>, <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, 23 July 2018 at 14:10 To: <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LAN] Re: Browns and Copster 1927 Don't know if significant but this mentions going to Copster Green and Mrs Brown's in Malham the following weekend. From the British Newspaper Archive Todmorden Advertiser and Hebden Bridge Newsletter - Friday 20 January 1933

Belated thanks June He got in touch with me and has been very helpful However you are right – the older records are at Lancashire Archives. So we are looking for someone who visits there to take a look at the records. That is where we did our first course on archive research some 30 years ago. It was great and on the Sunday I was able to handle some original documents concerning my family. Robin -----Original Message----- From: June Dowling via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Robin -- there is an Accrington Grammar Schools Old Boys Association. I know the chap who runs it (or did) -- it's possibly after the dates you are interested in -- but the website is here; http://www.agsob.org.uk/ It may be worth contacting them -- butI will forward your message to the chap I know, who I have no doubt will help if he can. Regards June From: "robin@scottishwool.com" <robin@scottishwool.com> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2018, 9:01 My father Frank King went to Accrington Grammar School and we are trying to find further information about his time there.

Don't know if significant but this mentions going to Copster Green and Mrs Brown's in Malham the following weekend. From the British Newspaper Archive Todmorden Advertiser and Hebden Bridge Newsletter - Friday 20 January 1933 TODMORDEN CYCLING CLUB. In spite of the wretched weather condi- tions which prevailed last. Sunday, several hardy members of the local club proceeded outward via Gretna, Padiham and Whalley to Copster Green where a halt was made for lunch. In the afternoon they cycled through Wilpshire, York, Huncoat to Barleytop Farm, Hapton, for tea. After a pleasant stay the return journey was made by way of Rosegrove, Gretna and Cliviger. Last Tuesday evening the club held its annual general meeting, Mr. A. Horsfield presiding over a fair attendance of enthusiastic members. The secretary, Mr. W. Robertshaw, in his review of the year's activities, revealed a satisfactory state of affairs.. On the motion of the Chairman, the retiring officers were heartily thanked for their services. The election of officers for the ensuing year were as follows: Mr. J. Darrell was unanimously appointed President, and the position of hon. secretary and hon. treasurer were again placed in the capable hands of Mr. W. and Mr. H. Ingham respectively; other officials were: Captain, Mr. H. Hollinrake; vice-captains, Messrs. H. Nesbitt and H. Booth; hon. collector. Mr. R. Sunderland; auditors, Messrs. B. Cooper and A. Jones; committee: Mrs. W. Barker. Messrs. W. Barker, A. Horsfield, W. Rarnshaw, J. Lord, F. Jones, J. H. King. H. Freer, J. Clarke. A sub-committee was also appointed to arrange the club fixtures. Next Sunday's run is to Malham (Mrs. Brown's), Martin Briscoe Fort William Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507) -----Original Message----- From: Robin McEwen-King [mailto:shetlandsheep@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of robin@scottishwool.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 6:32 PM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] Browns and Copster 1927 In 1927 my father records cycling frequently from Accrington to Browns and Copster. He was active in the NCTC and BCTC (possibly little Harworth Wheelers) Does anyone have an idea what was at these places? He also watched road races and later went on CTC camping weekends. Some of the CTC rides were midnight tours of over 100 miles Grateful for any help with sources for CTC archives or local knowledge Robin

Oh well done Robin -- I am SO pleased that you have furthered your research. Regards June From: "robin@scottishwool.com" <robin@scottishwool.com> To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 23 July 2018, 12:54 Subject: [LAN] Re: Browns and Copster 1927 Thanks June Already posted on Accyweb and you are right about the popularity of Copster Green. I’ve found the answer. Mrs Brown was in Sycamore Cottage  in Copster Green. Clue came from an old article in the CPC Record about the origins of the Northern Cavern and Fell Club founded in November 1927 at Copster. I’ve also found a photo of a cyclist Wilf Banks outside Mrs Browns which has enabled me to cross check with modern photos (it was sold recently). Thanks Robin

Thanks Nivard Yes newspapers can be a great source. The weekly rides are often listed – some CTC groups had many rides of different length and severity. Dad’s diaries match up with some detail reports in the Nelson Leader about the rides of the Nelson Wheelers. Gives a fascinating insight into their life. No medals in our family but Uncle Jack and Dad were founder members of the Northern Cavern and Fell Club. Each is credited with firsts in cave exploration. Dad was in the group who made the cave rescue at Gingling Hole in 1934 and after this their club called the meeting which set up the Cave Rescue Organisation. Robin -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> Reply-To: <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, 17 July 2018 at 18:49 To: <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LAN] Re: Browns and Copster 1927 Hi Robin My great grandfather was one of the founders of a cycling club in East Retford Notts circa 1880, he was in various races and organised many events, he was also the timekeeper for a great many of them He appears in the newspapers at various times as a competitor or as an official So I would check the online newspapers for the clubs your father was in and I suspect you will find mention of the events and locations In 1896 my g.grandfather won a gold medal in a veterans race for completing 100 miles within 12 hours, he was 48 at the time Cycling was a huge participant and professional sport back in the day Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Thanks June Already posted on Accyweb and you are right about the popularity of Copster Green. I’ve found the answer. Mrs Brown was in Sycamore Cottage in Copster Green. Clue came from an old article in the CPC Record about the origins of the Northern Cavern and Fell Club founded in November 1927 at Copster. I’ve also found a photo of a cyclist Wilf Banks outside Mrs Browns which has enabled me to cross check with modern photos (it was sold recently). Thanks Robin -----Original Message----- From: June Dowling via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: June Dowling <june.dowling@yahoo.co.uk>, <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, 17 July 2018 at 18:57 To: "lancsgen@rootsweb.com" <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Cc: June Dowling <june.dowling@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [LAN] Re: Browns and Copster 1927 I know nothing about the cycling query I'm afraid -- but Copster may refer to Copster Green - a small rural village between Blackburn and Ribchester. It was a place people would go to on a Sunday for a wander round. There is a Brown Leaves Hotel nearby - maybe named after the 'Browns' bit!! There is a website called Accyweb -- and a history section on that site - if no-one can help you on here, it may be worth registering and raising your query on that Forum.

A recently discovered marriage for an older sister of my grgrandfather David PIERCE .b 1830 Betsy PIERCE bap 27.5.1817 mar Timothy FOTHERGILL 23.1.1848 , St Mary , Lancaster . parents James PIERCE - shoemaker and Betty GUY/E mar 1803 Haslingden . Love to hear from anyone researching these families . Shirley NZ nee PIERCE

Hi Venetia, I wish I knew! My MENZIES ancestor was in Newark, Nottinghamshire before 1841 as he is already a Draper on the 1841 census. The remaining family are at Woodhouselee in Durisdeer apart from two younger brothers who also went to Newark. I know that their parents were Andrew and Agnes nee MINZIE and that Andrew senior was the son of Andrew MENZIES and Janet SHANKLAND who are listed as being of Rigghouse/Enterkinfoot and Durisdeer on various baptisms. The Marriages and Burials records for Durisdeer church do not exist any longer and I am completely stuck now - I cannot verify the above information with marriage records and I cannot get any further back either which is why I was hoping to find someone researching from the other children of the brothers (few remained in Nottinghamshire - a wanderlust their descendants including myself seem to have inherited!) My Mum was given a data sheet decades ago from an elderly gentleman who had spent a long time researching the various MENZIES ancestral lines but it has a generation missing in order to connect it to the data I hold. regards, Dot On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 6:14 PM, Venita via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Dot, > > I am related to the Menzies through the branch that settled in > Aberdeenshire, Scotland, and the surname changed to Meney, Mennie, Meanie, > etc. Does that ring any bells for you? > > Yours, > > Venita > > Homepage: > Family History and Other Fascinations > venitap.com <http://venitap.com/> > > venitar@mac.com <mailto:venitar@mac.com> > > > > > On Jul 17, 2018, at 1:41 PM, Dot holden <koolbean1234@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > My Gt Gt Grandfather John MENZIES moved to Newark, Nottinghamshire from > > Durisdeer, Dumfriesshire before the 1841 census. He was joined shortly > > after by two younger brothers, Robert and Thomas. Thomas married Mary > Ann > > WALSTER and they had several children including a son, William Robert > > MENZIES born 1859 in Newark. > > > > William Robert MENZIES married Harriet BROWN and they moved to Burnley. > > They also had several children, Elizabeth Ann b1883, Agnes b 1885, > William > > Robert b1895, Lilly M b 1899, Thomas Andrew b1904 and Laura b 1907. > There > > was also one son who died as a baby, Thomas b 1897 and died 1897. > > > > In 1911 they were at Springfield House, Clowbridge, Burnley. > > > > I would love to hear from anyone who has this Menzies family in their > tree. > > > > Dot Menzies Holden > > > > _______________________________________________ > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb. > com/listindexes/search/lancsgen > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb. > com/listindexes/search/lancsgen > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Adrian It happened with Warwickshire a few months ago Regards John Hanson - researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names Researcher, the Halsted Trust, http://www.halstedresearch.org.uk New family history conference in 2018 http://www.secretlives.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Bruce <abruce6155@gmail.com> Sent: 20 July 2018 19:14 To: LancsGen Mailing List <LANCSGEN@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LAN] Lancashire parishes on FindMyPast Now this is rather unexpected... FindMyPast have just loaded (some of) the Lancashire Parish Registers. See https://blog.findmypast.co.uk/findmypast-friday-july-2588351934.html Up until now, they have only been on Ancestry. In fact, this is the first instance **I** know of where Ancestry and FMP cover the same county's PRs with indexes and *images*. Maybe someone more adept with the numbers of parishes can get a better idea of what the coverage on FMP is compared to Ancestry. In theory, FMP's list of parishes is on https://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/world-records/full-list-of-united-king dom-records/life-events-bmds/lancashire-parish-list Or you can use the browse option on https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-Records/lancashire-parish-regis ters-browse to see what registers exist. From a tiny, tree directed sampling, I know that, e.g., Longton, St Andrew, is on Ancestry but not FMP. Ancestry took several goes to get their Lancashire PRs loaded, so it may be that their exclusivity agreement with Preston (assuming there is one) has only expired for the first tranche. Or who knows, this could be an FMP / Ancestry agreement. The images appear only to be PRs while Ancestry has the Bishops' Transcripts - important to me for Penwortham, which burnt in the 1850s and only survives as the BTs before that. The films used on FMP appear from a very small sample to be the Gen Soc Utah (i.e. Family Search) films, however, the FMP digitisation appears to have more grey in the images, which I prefer as I think it's sometimes easier to read than the harsh contrast on Ancestry. Have fun if you have an FMP subs but not an Ancestry one! Adrian _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/lancsgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Now this is rather unexpected... FindMyPast have just loaded (some of) the Lancashire Parish Registers. See https://blog.findmypast.co.uk/findmypast-friday-july-2588351934.html Up until now, they have only been on Ancestry. In fact, this is the first instance **I** know of where Ancestry and FMP cover the same county's PRs with indexes and *images*. Maybe someone more adept with the numbers of parishes can get a better idea of what the coverage on FMP is compared to Ancestry. In theory, FMP's list of parishes is on https://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/world-records/full-list-of-united-kingdom-records/life-events-bmds/lancashire-parish-list Or you can use the browse option on https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-Records/lancashire-parish-registers-browse to see what registers exist. From a tiny, tree directed sampling, I know that, e.g., Longton, St Andrew, is on Ancestry but not FMP. Ancestry took several goes to get their Lancashire PRs loaded, so it may be that their exclusivity agreement with Preston (assuming there is one) has only expired for the first tranche. Or who knows, this could be an FMP / Ancestry agreement. The images appear only to be PRs while Ancestry has the Bishops' Transcripts - important to me for Penwortham, which burnt in the 1850s and only survives as the BTs before that. The films used on FMP appear from a very small sample to be the Gen Soc Utah (i.e. Family Search) films, however, the FMP digitisation appears to have more grey in the images, which I prefer as I think it's sometimes easier to read than the harsh contrast on Ancestry. Have fun if you have an FMP subs but not an Ancestry one! Adrian

Hi Dot, I am related to the Menzies through the branch that settled in Aberdeenshire, Scotland, and the surname changed to Meney, Mennie, Meanie, etc. Does that ring any bells for you? Yours, Venita Homepage: Family History and Other Fascinations venitap.com <http://venitap.com/> venitar@mac.com <mailto:venitar@mac.com> > On Jul 17, 2018, at 1:41 PM, Dot holden <koolbean1234@gmail.com> wrote: > > My Gt Gt Grandfather John MENZIES moved to Newark, Nottinghamshire from > Durisdeer, Dumfriesshire before the 1841 census. He was joined shortly > after by two younger brothers, Robert and Thomas. Thomas married Mary Ann > WALSTER and they had several children including a son, William Robert > MENZIES born 1859 in Newark. > > William Robert MENZIES married Harriet BROWN and they moved to Burnley. > They also had several children, Elizabeth Ann b1883, Agnes b 1885, William > Robert b1895, Lilly M b 1899, Thomas Andrew b1904 and Laura b 1907. There > was also one son who died as a baby, Thomas b 1897 and died 1897. > > In 1911 they were at Springfield House, Clowbridge, Burnley. > > I would love to hear from anyone who has this Menzies family in their tree. > > Dot Menzies Holden > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/lancsgen > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

My pleasure, Carol. Lynne carolsaul49@aol.com wrote: >Many thanks for this link, Lynne. >Carol > >

Just seen your note to June.....sorry, but it was further along Darwen St than that....actually part of it faced Edmunson's and Scales Funeral Services. Sheila (Fife)

I used to wait for the tram to Darwen (where I worked) across the road from Nevell's on Darwen St. in the 1950's, but my Dad remembered actually taking glass jars to the shop in exchange for something when he was a child, and that would be late 1890's It was always regarded as a "posh" shop....... did Nevell's move their shop sometime later to a site in Northgate ????? I've been away from Blackburn since 1956......but I used to come back for visits. Regards Sheila (Fife)

June, The shop was at the junction of Darwen Street and Canterbury Street, almost under the Darwen Street railway bridge.   Probably not surprising you don't remember it as it was well on the periphery of the town centre,and not somewhere you would pass around town. I only recall it as it was on my way from the Boulevard to Shorrock Street each morning in 1961/2. BobC On 17/07/2018 20:49, June Dowling via LANCSGEN wrote: > Hi Denise, > I only knew about that site, because some query about a Blackburn Fire has cropped up before - not necessarily on Lancsgen. > > It's strange that it was empty -- that makes it look more like an insurance scam actually. I come from Blackburn and am ashamed to say I cannot remember that shop (nor the fire!) - and - yes I am definitely old enough to have been around when the shop was there! > > Regards June > > -- Bob C http://www.bccy.org.uk and http://extra.bccy.org.uk