Thank you so much for responding Lynne -- as you say that makes 3 of us interested in surnames anyway!! I also take an interest in old street names and wonder why they were so called -- some are obvious - others not so. I don't know why, but if you ever come across a 'Paradise' St, Lane or whatever -- it looks anything but 'Paradise'. In the town where I live and many moons ago - I can remember people saying about women who looked common, or perhaps scruffy 'She looks like she comes from Back Mary Ann St'. When I started Family History I discovered there WAS a Mary Ann St in the town --- and it was an Irish filled street. This typifies, I think the way the Irish were initially regarded when they came into our towns.(I can say this because my grandmother AND my husband are both Irish!!) June From: Lynne <lklein@mindspring.com> To: "lancsgen@rootsweb.com" <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 3 August 2018, 14:07 Subject: [LAN] Re: Surname distribution Hi June We are two of a kind (well, three if you count my husband).  We constantly discuss the origin of the surnames of people we meet, see on television, etc.  We are positively gleeful when we come across someone with an obvious Lancastrian name.  Sad, aren't we?  lol Lynne

Hello Penny, I always hope there is a DNA related first cousin who might post their DNA in Britain one day soon. This would give me a lead. Every week I am in touch with more South Asian DNA relatives as they get their DNA tested. Most are centred around one Caste name KHATRI. The Caste has a number of family surnames and some of them are duplicated in the people I have been in contact with. If I get more of one surname then this narrows down my search and I shall try and track this name down in a couple of areas pry to 1937 England. I was born in Weston Super Mare, Bristol . That would be the first place I would check. The Ration book register of 1939 would be a place I would look. Best wishes Mike Morris Toronto Canada ________________________________ From: Penny Trueman <maudtrueman@gmail.com> To: Linda Pauwels <linsfam@myfairpoint.net>; lancsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 2:18 PM Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results I 'know' the (alleged) nationality of my biological father and I 'know' his alleged occupation in WW2 (pilot, Polish Airforce). But I don't have a name. So I think (really) I am never going to find his family. <snip>

Hi Penny.....I googled "Polish Air Force WW2" and one of the pages that came up showed where they were stationed in England during that time. It also has lots more places to look and photos. You may find them in a town that your Mom lived in the year before you were born: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Air_Forces_in_France_and_Great_Britain Happy hunting! Mary Lou -----Original Message----- From: Penny Trueman <maudtrueman@gmail.com> To: Linda Pauwels <linsfam@myfairpoint.net>; lancsgen <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Aug 3, 2018 12:18 pm Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results I 'know' the (alleged) nationality of my biological father and I 'know' his alleged occupation in WW2 (pilot, Polish Airforce). But I don't have a name. So I think (really) I am never going to find his family. Both my son and I did DNA tests with Ancestry, but apart from telling me that I had a large percentage of Eastern European in me, I wouldn't know how to use that information. Best Wishes, Penny On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 4:28 PM, "Linda" <linsfam@myfairpoint.net> wrote: > > Law enforcement seem to mainly use GEDMatch for their searches, not the > DNA companies themselves. > > Some say they have no luck with UK matches as many don't test, but I've > had some excellent matchees in England that added more than 100 people to > my tree. One was a 5th cousin but clearly documented. If people would > just post their tree with their DNA, more people could find them. > > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 15:42:48 +0100, "Martin Briscoe (W10 laptop)" wrote: > > There have been a lot of news stories in the last few days about an > agreement between the main DNA testing companies of privacy but some have > expressed doubts about it. > > There does seem a lot of paranoia about it, there are many more important > privacy issues with data. > > y > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb. > com/listindexes/search/lancsgen > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/lancsgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

You never know, probably people in Poland are having tests done and of course many Poles over here. Just needs to be a close relative of your biological father. Martin Briscoe Fort William Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507) -----Original Message----- From: Penny Trueman [mailto:maudtrueman@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 7:18 PM To: Linda Pauwels <linsfam@myfairpoint.net>; lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results I 'know' the (alleged) nationality of my biological father and I 'know' his alleged occupation in WW2 (pilot, Polish Airforce). But I don't have a name. So I think (really) I am never going to find his family. Both my son and I did DNA tests with Ancestry, but apart from telling me that I had a large percentage of Eastern European in me, I wouldn't know how to use that information. Best Wishes, Penny

I 'know' the (alleged) nationality of my biological father and I 'know' his alleged occupation in WW2 (pilot, Polish Airforce). But I don't have a name. So I think (really) I am never going to find his family. Both my son and I did DNA tests with Ancestry, but apart from telling me that I had a large percentage of Eastern European in me, I wouldn't know how to use that information. Best Wishes, Penny On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 4:28 PM, "Linda" <linsfam@myfairpoint.net> wrote: > > Law enforcement seem to mainly use GEDMatch for their searches, not the > DNA companies themselves. > > Some say they have no luck with UK matches as many don't test, but I've > had some excellent matchees in England that added more than 100 people to > my tree. One was a 5th cousin but clearly documented. If people would > just post their tree with their DNA, more people could find them. > > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 15:42:48 +0100, "Martin Briscoe (W10 laptop)" wrote: > > There have been a lot of news stories in the last few days about an > agreement between the main DNA testing companies of privacy but some have > expressed doubts about it. > > There does seem a lot of paranoia about it, there are many more important > privacy issues with data. > > y > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb. > com/listindexes/search/lancsgen > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Law enforcement seem to mainly use GEDMatch for their searches, not the DNA companies themselves. Some say they have no luck with UK matches as many don't test, but I've had some excellent matchees in England that added more than 100 people to my tree. One was a 5th cousin but clearly documented. If people would just post their tree with their DNA, more people could find them. On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 15:42:48 +0100, "Martin Briscoe (W10 laptop)" wrote: There have been a lot of news stories in the last few days about an agreement between the main DNA testing companies of privacy but some have expressed doubts about it. There does seem a lot of paranoia about it, there are many more important privacy issues with data. y

There have been a lot of news stories in the last few days about an agreement between the main DNA testing companies of privacy but some have expressed doubts about it. There does seem a lot of paranoia about it, there are many more important privacy issues with data. Martin Briscoe Fort William Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507) -----Original Message----- From: Susan Slade Grossl [mailto:sdsladegrossl@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 3:15 PM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com; 'Mike Morris' <morrisind@rogers.com> Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results I think one thing that is now holding people back is the fact that DNA has been used to trace down bad guys. I personally don't have a problem with it, but imagine there are some out there who would rather not have the DNA databases looked at that way.

Will have a look, I have used Add Note because they might see it when they go to their DNA rather than having to read the messages. Martin Briscoe Fort William Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507) -----Original Message----- From: Mike Morris [mailto:morrisind@rogers.com] Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 2:34 PM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results Hi Martin, did you notice on some of the names re notes there are three note sections. One is posted (Add Note) on the first page and each time you go to that name your post is there for all to see. Another is on the left of the page. (Send Message) But on the odd one I see another post its on the right side just above where all the names in that family are posted. It says (invite to add tree) I have had success posting through that, Had a number of replies.. A tip to help reduce your work is to type up a letter with all you can think to ask. Then copy this. Each time I see a potential cousin I copy this letter and paste it in the areas where it says post. Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada

I think one thing that is now holding people back is the fact that DNA has been used to trace down bad guys. I personally don't have a problem with it, but imagine there are some out there who would rather not have the DNA databases looked at that way. I am going to have mine done, when I can afford it. I would like to know a bit more about my English ancestors (Lockhart, Lovejoy, Emmett, Davis, Wallace, Cull), my Irish (Sullivan) and German (Schulken, Heasloop) lines. My line is pretty boring. LOL Susan Boise, Idaho, USA -----Original Message----- From: ANNE [mailto:granne@cogeco.ca] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2018 7:46 AM To: Mike Morris; lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results That's an amazing story Mike! My DNA results were as expected - western Europe, the Midlands and Wales!! Like you, I wish more people would get their dna done. Anne -----Original Message----- From: Mike Morris Sent: Friday, August 03, 2018 9:11 AM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: John The Genes Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results Hi John, Join the club. I spent over twenty years researching my parents families some back as far as the 1600's. Then to my surprise, my recent DNA test result put me at 47% South Asian. I did not see that one coming, I had no idea. I always thought possibly there might be some Jewish DNA in me. So the kids bought me the test kit for Christmas. I also thought I had a strong Irish DNA. Not to be. It was only 12% Irish and Scot combined. The English part was 33%. I do have black hair and a tanned complexion. With the potential cousins list they send you I have not located any family on my dads side so my conclusion is its a missing father. I don't think 47% would have been through a grandfather. It would have helped me if my sister had shown an interest and had the same test done. By the way, I have posted notes to all the potential relatives I saw posted who were from South Asia. I have pinned it down that my parent came from the Punjab region of India/Pakistan and he was from the KHATRI caste. With the help of these very helpful distant cousins I have accumulated about ten family surnames belonging to the KHATRI caste. They are KAKKAR, KHANNA, SIKKA, SETH, KAPOOR, GARELLA, SABHARWAL,SURI, ANAND and MALHOTRA. It was interesting to find there was a distant DNA cousin of the MALHOTRA family living just ten minutes away from where I live in Canada. I must say this new research is tougher than all we accomplished through Rootsweb. Hopefully one day I might get a first cousin posting their DNA.This DNA testing seems to be fairly new in Britain, most of my distant new relatives are in the USA. So don't give up. I receive names of any new posted person by looking at the DNA site every few days. It changes with the addition of new people who have had the test and are potentially related. By the way, Although this was a major change to my family it did not bother me. I was quite excited to see this report. Its given me a whole new area and a new way I have to do my research.Kind regards. Mike Morris Toronto Canada

That's an amazing story Mike! My DNA results were as expected - western Europe, the Midlands and Wales!! Like you, I wish more people would get their dna done. Anne -----Original Message----- From: Mike Morris Sent: Friday, August 03, 2018 9:11 AM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: John The Genes Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results Hi John, Join the club. I spent over twenty years researching my parents families some back as far as the 1600's. Then to my surprise, my recent DNA test result put me at 47% South Asian. I did not see that one coming, I had no idea. I always thought possibly there might be some Jewish DNA in me. So the kids bought me the test kit for Christmas. I also thought I had a strong Irish DNA. Not to be. It was only 12% Irish and Scot combined. The English part was 33%. I do have black hair and a tanned complexion. With the potential cousins list they send you I have not located any family on my dads side so my conclusion is its a missing father. I don't think 47% would have been through a grandfather. It would have helped me if my sister had shown an interest and had the same test done. By the way, I have posted notes to all the potential relatives I saw posted who were from South Asia. I have pinned it down that my parent came from the Punjab region of India/Pakistan and he was from the KHATRI caste. With the help of these very helpful distant cousins I have accumulated about ten family surnames belonging to the KHATRI caste. They are KAKKAR, KHANNA, SIKKA, SETH, KAPOOR, GARELLA, SABHARWAL,SURI, ANAND and MALHOTRA. It was interesting to find there was a distant DNA cousin of the MALHOTRA family living just ten minutes away from where I live in Canada. I must say this new research is tougher than all we accomplished through Rootsweb. Hopefully one day I might get a first cousin posting their DNA.This DNA testing seems to be fairly new in Britain, most of my distant new relatives are in the USA. So don't give up. I receive names of any new posted person by looking at the DNA site every few days. It changes with the addition of new people who have had the test and are potentially related. By the way, Although this was a major change to my family it did not bother me. I was quite excited to see this report. Its given me a whole new area and a new way I have to do my research.Kind regards. Mike Morris Toronto Canada From: John The Genes via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: John The Genes <john_the_genes@btinternet.com> Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 4:45 AM Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results I found out that the man I thought was my father was not my biological father. Who was? I've no idea and I don't suppose I'll ever know. <snip> _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/lancsgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Martin, did you notice on some of the names re notes there are three note sections. One is posted (Add Note) on the first page and each time you go to that name your post is there for all to see. Another is on the left of the page. (Send Message) But on the odd one I see another post its on the right side just above where all the names in that family are posted. It says (invite to add tree) I have had success posting through that, Had a number of replies.. A tip to help reduce your work is to type up a letter with all you can think to ask. Then copy this. Each time I see a potential cousin I copy this letter and paste it in the areas where it says post.  Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada From: Martin Briscoe (W10 laptop) <list@mbriscoe.me.uk> To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 4:46 AM I have sent a message but no reply even though they are showing as having been on Ancestry several times since then.  <snipped>

Hi John, Join the club. I spent over twenty years researching my parents families some back as far as the 1600's. Then to my surprise, my recent DNA test result put me at 47% South Asian. I did not see that one coming, I had no idea. I always thought possibly there might be some Jewish DNA in me. So the kids bought me the test kit for Christmas. I also thought I had a strong Irish DNA. Not to be. It was only 12% Irish and Scot combined. The English part was 33%. I do have black hair and a tanned complexion.  With the potential cousins list they send you I have not located any family on my dads side so my conclusion is its a missing father. I don't think 47% would have been through a grandfather. It would have helped me if my sister had shown an interest and had the same test done.  By the way, I have posted notes to all the potential relatives I saw posted who were from South Asia. I have pinned it down that my parent came from the Punjab region of India/Pakistan and he was from the KHATRI caste.  With the help of these very helpful distant cousins I have accumulated about ten family surnames belonging to the KHATRI caste. They are KAKKAR, KHANNA, SIKKA, SETH, KAPOOR, GARELLA, SABHARWAL,SURI, ANAND and MALHOTRA.  It was interesting to find there was a distant DNA cousin of the MALHOTRA family living just ten minutes away from where I live in Canada. I must say this new research is tougher than all we accomplished through Rootsweb. Hopefully one day I might get a first cousin posting their DNA.This DNA testing seems to be fairly new in Britain, most of my distant new relatives are in the USA. So don't give up. I receive names of any new posted person by looking at the DNA site  every few days. It changes with the addition of new people who have had the test and are potentially related. By the way, Although this was a major change to my family it did not bother me. I was quite excited to see this report. Its given me a whole new area and a new way I have to do my research.Kind regards. Mike Morris  Toronto Canada From: John The Genes via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: John The Genes <john_the_genes@btinternet.com> Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 4:45 AM Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results I found out that the man I thought was my father was not my biological father. Who was? I've no idea and I don't suppose I'll ever know. <snip>

Hi June We are two of a kind (well, three if you count my husband). We constantly discuss the origin of the surnames of people we meet, see on television, etc. We are positively gleeful when we come across someone with an obvious Lancastrian name. Sad, aren't we? lol Lynne June Dowling wrote: Surnames have always been enormously fascinating to me. Both my parents had locational surnames - one from West Yorks and the other from East Lancs. This means to me that both families moved FROM their original settlement and were allocated these names by their new settlement at a time BEFORE people had surnames. Just to differentiate them from people with the same christian name in their new settlement. Nowadays - if I meet someone new - I find myself thinking about how they got their surname. Occupation, whether they lived near a bridge or a hill etc -- physical characteristic - if they were a serf perhaps and ended up with 'man' at the end of their name -- which I've always thought meant they had been someone's serf or servant.A really interesting subject for me. Regards June

John, I understand that in the male line an actual family last name can be found from DNA if you do the Y-DNA test. I'm not sure if all Y-DNA companies give you a name or if you have to find a special place to test. That being said, if it was the war years with many temporary men around, a last name probably wouldn't help. Only male side can give you a last name as that stays the same. Female line name changes with each new family. On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 09:44:19 +0100, John The Genes via LANCSGEN wrote: I found out that the man I thought was my father was not my biological father. Who was? I've no idea and I don't suppose I'll ever know. It was wartime and... -- John Lynch

Excellent news Carol. I am so pleased that you found it useful. I do know that the Warwick University site does have other similar records, but I can't remember what!! Regards June From: "carolsaul49@aol.com" <carolsaul49@aol.com> To: june.dowling@yahoo.co.uk; lancsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 3 August 2018, 9:11 Subject: Re: [LAN] Interesting Websites [Masons' obituaries] Thank you so much for this link.  I have the death certificate of my husband's Gt Grandfather [as reported there] but didn't realise [a] that there would be such a record for the deaths of masons, or [b] there would have been a benefit on his death.  I had also forgotten about the Warwick modern records centre which I have used in the past when searching for information on my own grandfather.  I will be taking another look to see what else is there that could be useful. Carol -----Original Message----- From: June Dowling via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> To: lancsgen <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> CC: June Dowling <june.dowling@yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 11:13 Subject: [LAN] Interesting Websites Just thought I would mention a couple of websites -- one which is VERY interesting and another which may be useful for people who have stonemasons in their ancestry. 1. http://www.historyofwomen.org/wifebeating.html Just click into items on the left hand menu -- things like 'Wife Beating', 'Selling a Wife' - 'Divorce' etc. It is a site which demonstrates just how difficult it was for women in the past. 2. https://warwick.ac.uk/services/library/mrc/explorefurther/subject_guides/family_history/stone/obituaries/ This is a site listing people from the stonemasonry trade who joined one of the original 'Friendly Societies' - hence when they, or any of their family died - there are details in the alphabetical list. I think Warwick University (who owns the site) -- have done other similar Friendly Society Lists - but I haven't investigated those. I hope someone finds these or one of them of interest. Regards June

You have keep working at it and check regularly. I noticed a new match in Ancestry DNA just over a week ago. Showing as Third Cousin but nothing in the tree that I recognise, they are in USA and do not seem to have traced back far. But looking at Shared Matches suggests they are connected through my Welsh Evans line. Usual problem with Ancestry, I have sent a message but no reply even though they are showing as having been on Ancestry several times since then. I keep wondering whether many people do not understand the Ancestry messaging system and do not realise there is a message for them. I have tried several times adding a "Note" to their DNA page as more likely to see that. Ancestry posted this though nothing very original there. https://support.ancestry.co.uk/s/article/DNA-Match-Relationships?o_xid=64493&sf90971468=1 Martin Briscoe Fort William Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507) -----Original Message----- From: koolbean1234 [mailto:koolbean1234@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 9:26 AM To: martin@mbriscoe.me.uk; lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results I got my DNA results recently but had mostly 3rd/4th/5th cousins connect. I contacted a few but they have all said not able to match to any of the surnames I gave them. Quite disappointed really - very few in the UK seem to have done their DNA Dot

I found out that the man I thought was my father was not my biological father. Who was? I've no idea and I don't suppose I'll ever know. It was wartime and... -- John Lynch > I got my DNA results recently but had mostly 3rd/4th/5th cousins connect. I > contacted a few but they have all said not able to match to any of the > surnames I gave them. Quite disappointed really - very few in the UK seem > to have done their DNA Dot

Beth -- thank you so much for that feedback -- it's so good to know that something has been useful for somebody else. I came across that site when researching a friend's Northumberland roots -- she had stonemasons in her ancestry. Unfortunately hers weren't on that site, but I do remember thinking how useful it could be for others with stonemason ancestry.Also found sites about what they wore -- and how many of the tools still in use today were virtually the same as those used centuries ago. I found it to be really interesting research. Regards June From: Beth Leach <beth.leach@talktalk.net> To: June Dowling <june.dowling@yahoo.co.uk>; lancsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018, 15:19 Subject: Re: [LAN] Re: Online Parish Records June, I was in the middle of sending thanks to you for the Northumberland wills link, which I hadn't come across before, when I saw your link for stonemasons' records and had a look for my Brennan(d) and Brockbank family. They started out as stonemasons in Milnthorpe, Westmorland.  Some moved to the Lancaster area and I found two great-great-uncles and the widow of one listed. Thank you so much. Beth.

I got my  DNA results recently but had mostly 3rd/4th/5th cousins connect.  I contacted a few but they have all said not able to match to any of the surnames I gave them.   Quite disappointed really -  very few in the UK seem to have done their DNA    Dot Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: "Martin Briscoe (W10 laptop)" <list@mbriscoe.me.uk> Date: 03/08/2018 07:57 (GMT+00:00) To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results I saw a very close match on Ancestry DNA and when I looked at the map, the person had lots of family in Bolton but none of the main names in my tree.  I made contact and he said that his grandmother never knew who her father was.  He got back to me a few months later and for a whole series of reasons we came to the conclusion that it must have been one particular member of my family in the 19th Century.  We cannot prove it but I suspect that we are more certain than we would be with a name on a Birth Certificate. Martin Briscoe Fort William Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507) -----Original Message----- From: T. Wood via LANCSGEN [mailto:lancsgen@rootsweb.com] Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 11:22 PM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: T. Wood <ttwood49@yahoo.com> Subject: [LAN] Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results Noticing some activity on the list, I thought it may be a good time to post my recent family history progress. As a brief summary, I have been trying to determine the identity of my grandfather’s father for over 30 years. It was this endeavor that got me started in genealogy but over all of those years, I was not able to find anything that would lead me to the answer. So, with all of the excitement regarding DNA testing, I figured I had nothing to lose by going down this path to see where it may lead. _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information.  http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator  at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/lancsgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you so much for this link. I have the death certificate of my husband's Gt Grandfather [as reported there] but didn't realise [a] that there would be such a record for the deaths of masons, or [b] there would have been a benefit on his death. I had also forgotten about the Warwick modern records centre which I have used in the past when searching for information on my own grandfather. I will be taking another look to see what else is there that could be useful. Carol -----Original Message----- From: June Dowling via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> To: lancsgen <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> CC: June Dowling <june.dowling@yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 11:13 Subject: [LAN] Interesting Websites Just thought I would mention a couple of websites -- one which is VERY interesting and another which may be useful for people who have stonemasons in their ancestry. 1. http://www.historyofwomen.org/wifebeating.html Just click into items on the left hand menu -- things like 'Wife Beating', 'Selling a Wife' - 'Divorce' etc. It is a site which demonstrates just how difficult it was for women in the past. 2. https://warwick.ac.uk/services/library/mrc/explorefurther/subject_guides/family_history/stone/obituaries/ This is a site listing people from the stonemasonry trade who joined one of the original 'Friendly Societies' - hence when they, or any of their family died - there are details in the alphabetical list. I think Warwick University (who owns the site) -- have done other similar Friendly Society Lists - but I haven't investigated those. I hope someone finds these or one of them of interest. Regards June _______________________________________________:-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-:GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com:-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-:_______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/lancsgenPrivacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blogRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community