I'm researching the MILLER family of Ulnes Walton from about 1700 to 1800. William MILLER's children included William, John, Thomas, Humphrey, Jane & Rachel- all born between 1713 & 1726. The son John (my line) married Jane ?? and had Margaret, Richard, Jane, John & Henry- all born between 1742 & 1755. The Millers were buried in either St. Andrews Church, Leyland or St. Michael & All Angels, Croston. Does anyone know if there are any MI's for these churches? Thanks, Ruth, Ontario,Canada

Hello Michael Keeping a mangle was a common occupation for widows with no other means of supporting their families. Two of my great grandmothers were in such a case. My grandmother, Sarah Allerton was 6 months old when her father died and she was the youngest of six girls under 10. They all took their turn helping their mother turn the handle of the mangle. This was not the type usually seen in Victorian homes. with two upright rollers but a box mangle. I have a picture of one in a book called "Women's Work is never done. It shows a large heavy table with a box on rollers on top filled with large stones. It was used for 'ironing' linen tablecloths and sheets as these were not hot ironed but mangled while wet The linen would have come from hotels, boarding houses and wealthy private homes. . I know little about my maternal gt grandmother except this was her occupation on the census but I have many tales about my Allerton grandmother nee Ellen Guy. The family attended St. Mary's Walton on the Hill and the congregation made a collection for her. The church offered to buy her a small annuity to keep the family until the daughters were old enough to walk but she rejected this as charity and asked for the money to be used to buy the mangle. She also had a lodger, which was another honest way of supplementing her income. Regards, Nora. -----Original Message----- Regards, Nora From: Michael Green Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 7:37 PM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] Humorous occupation Just a little light relief. One of my forebears, Margaret FOSTER (then GREEN, then FOSTER again, but née ARMSTRONG) was, towards the end of her life, in lodgings at 47 Bradford Rd, New Cross, Manchester. Aged 67, she was still working as a “cotton baller”. I would have liked to have met her landlady, a Warrington lass by the name of Hannah BOWELING. Hannah clearly had a large twinkle in her eye and delightfully describes her occupation simply as “with a mangle”. I don’t suppose “mangler” would have given the right idea. Michael Green :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dvdwmore Surnames: RILEY Classification: birth Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52003.2.1.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Angela, Another thought, why not get the birth certificate for Ellen RILEY b.1870? It will have her mother's maiden name, and then Mary's marriage to Thomas should be very easy to find. I have a birth registration (using FreeBMD) for Ellen RILEY Mar qtr 1870 Liverpool 8b 54. hth David Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dvdwmore Surnames: RILEY Classification: census Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52003.2.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Angela, I have Bernard, 48 and Ellen, 50, RILEY together (but on succeeding pages) with a son, Edward, 13, on the 1861 census living at 31 Williamson Street, Liverpool (attached). I also have Bernard RILLEY, 70, W, Ireland living with a son, James, 34, W, Liverpool and two grand children, Mary, 13 and Ellen, 10 in Liverpool in the 1881 census. Did Thomas have brothers named Edward and James? There is a death registration for Bernard RILEY (age 64) Jun qtr 1882 Liverpool 8b 142. This is the only Bernard death between 1881 and 1911 in Lancashire anywhere near the age given in the 1861 and 1881 censuses . Please tell me which census has Bernard and Jane and their children, because it is eluding me completely. I also can't find Bernard in 1871. ttys David Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: shirleygrondin40 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/38851.2.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hello, nice to hear from you, yes I am Gordon's daughter, I am his older daughter Shirley, And yes Pearl was my Great Aunt, my father often talked about her. he loved her very much. would love to hear from you again, and its ok that you didnt reply right away, my home email is shirleygrondin40@yahoo.com, Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dvdwmore Surnames: RILEY McLOUGHLEN Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52003.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Angela, I use FreeBMD to find the entry, then go deeper into the program to order the certificate (credit card req'd). I believe the price is 9.25BP which works out to abiut $16.00 Canadian (and very similar in the US). If the wife registered the death, then she will be on the certificate as the informant. If not, then no... (My father registered the death of his father in 1956.) The cert will also list his occupation and address. FWIW, I found a 1963 marriage of Bernard RILEY and Mary Ann McLOUGHLEN Dec qtr 1863 Fylde 8e 796. hth David Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MaureenEdna Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52521.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello phurland, Wonder if this information is of any use to you ? Toxteth Park Workhouse, Smithdown Road, Toxteth, Liverpool. Mary Bates Pauper Single age 43 b.1838 Liverpool.Charwomen. William Bates Son of the above age 5 b.1876 Liverpool. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm aware the fathers name does not corrispond but could this be the brothers you are looking for. ? 17 Scorton Street, Walton On The Hill Liverpool, Lancashire. Thomas Bates age 30 b.1851 Liverpool,Lanc's.General Labourer. Mary Jane Bates Wife age 28 b.1853 Belfast,Ireland. William J Bates Son age 8 b.1873 Liverpool,Lanc's Thos Josh Bates Son age 5 b.1876 Liverpool,Lanc's(Could be Thomas Joseph) Martha Bates Daughter age 2 b.1879 Liverpool,Lanc's James Bates Son age 0 b.1881 Liverpool,Lanc's Hope this helps in some way. Regards. Maureen. Liverpool.U.K. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ANGELABECKETT1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52003.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: thanks David and it is the Bernard Riley Ellen Evans marriage, I think Ellen then must die after the birth of thomas and possibly a sister called martha (can't find ellens death either) as then Bernard turns up married to a Jane Pigot and they have a lot of children and thomas is down on census with them, also thankyou for the possible death date of Thomas how do you apply with the ref no for a cert? and do you know if they had the wifes name on them back then so I could confirm if it was him? thanks:) Angela Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dvdwmore Surnames: RILEY Classification: death Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52003.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Greetings, There is a death registration for Thomas RILEY (age 45) Mar qtr 1879 Liverpool 8b 135. hth David Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dvdwmore Surnames: REILEY O NEAL EVANS Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52003.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Lan-opc has the following: Marriage: 6 Apr 1834 St Paul, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Bernard Reiley - Porter, Bachelor, Liverpool Ellen O Neil - Spinster, Liverpool Witness: Hugh Magauran; Ann Murphy, (X) Married by Banns by: R H Formby Minister Register: Marriages 1830 - 1837, Page 38, Entry 14 Source: LDS Film 1656374 Marriage: 15 Aug 1836 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Bernard Reilly - Labourer, This Parish Ellen Evans - (X), Spinster, This Parish Witness: Alonzo Luther, (X); Esther Casement, (X) Married by Banns by: Montague Hawtrey Curate Register: Marriage 1836 - 1837, Page 17, Entry 49 Source: LDS Film 93919 hth David Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: SharonCrowley Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/3298.5910.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: What yr was Wm born and where in US did he live. Wife's name? Could he have been John Wm Hartman by any chanch? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

Years ago before all the censuses were online I was looking up an ancestor on fiche in the local library . When I found him he was listed on the fiche as "Public Nuisance" ... obviously one of my family!. Noticing a + sign at the end of the line I asked the librarian what it meant and she explained that the + sign meant that there was more information about his occupation on the original because the text fields on the fiche were limited in size. So I looked at the microfilm version and, sure enough, it said "Public Nuisance and Sanitation Worker". Eric Millward ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3615/6810 - Release Date: 11/05/13

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pburland Surnames: Classification: lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52521.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for replying. William was a year older born 1874 but there's no sign that he went to Canada from the reform school in 1891. He was there with Joseph. We have Joseph's marriage cert which gives his father's name as Samuel but I think you're right - that he was born under a different name. There were apparently 2 more brothers and all 4 were known to have been made to learn a trade by their father mainly in the docks area of Liverpool. Many thanks, Rachel Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

Is there anyone on this list with experience using the records from St. Chad Catholic Church, Whittle le Woods?  From the information on Genuki I know some of the records have been microfilmed. I am trying to locate christenings for 5 of the 6 children of Thomas and Jane Holm who lived along the Walton Summit branch of the Leeds and Liverpool canal in the early 1800’s. The youngest child, Ellen was christened at St. Joseph Catholic church in Brindle in 1811 but the other children, John born about 1803, Ann about 1804, Thomas about 1806, Margaret about 1807 and Daniel about 1809 do not show up in the St. Joseph records. Based on where I estimate that they were living at the time, they would have been about 2 ½ miles from St. Chad, which would have been the closest Catholic church to them. If anyone has access to the St. Chad records and could take a look for any of these children I would appreciate it.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: eworld_2 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52521.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There is no sign in FreeBMD of a Joseph Bates born Liverpool in 1875 which might suggest that was not the name he was registered under perhaps although Samuel Bates may well have been his father. When was William born ? Does that yield any clues? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

There are some good ones around Such as in 1911 Herbert Arthur Moore 38 165 Ellesmere Street Farnworth Occupation: Jack Of All Trades (that used to be a common expression but you don't seem to hear it much of late) There again some occupations are not always what they seem to be on first sight The descendants of George MAULEY 46 living in Cheshire in 1911 must have been quite shocked if they found him transcribed on Ancestry as "Hangman" in a Milk Factory But perhaps reassured when they found he was actually a "Dairyman" instead William WHITTAM 45 living in Shoreditch in 1911 fared no better His relatives may have been somewhat surprised (I am sure it would be noose to them :-) to find him in 1911 as a job sharing "Blacksmith, Hangman" But probably calmed when they found in his wavy handwriting that he was in fact a "Blacksmiths Hammerman" Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 05/11/2013 09:50, sandra.bev@talktalk.net wrote: > > Some years ago I came across a census entry [alas I didn't keep the > record] that gave the wife as head of the house, occupation 'mangle > woman'. The second entry in the household was her husband, > ocuppation 'turns my mangle' ! > > Sandra

Additions from our friends at Lancashire BMD: 29 October 2013 Added 15,489 Births for Bury RD comprising: Prestwich (1913-1934); Ramsbottom (1913-1934); Whitefield (1914-1934); Bury South (1912-1913) Added 3,075 Births for Hyndburn RD comprising: Haslingden (1879-1886) Added 26,139 Births for Bolton RD comprising: Farnworth (1896-1901); Halliwell (1878-1885); Little Bolton (1866-1872); Turton (1904-1908); Tonge with Haulgh (1884-1888); Western Bolton (1879-1881); Westhoughton (1873-1884) Added 67,022 Deaths for Manchester RD comprising: Blackley (1884-1936); Saint George (1883-1917) Added 500 Deaths for Ribble RD comprising: Clitheroe A (1951-1953) Added 914 Deaths for Blackburn RD comprising: Blackburn (1973-1974) Added 1,056 Marriages for Manchester RD comprising: Hulme, St. John the Baptist (1910-1930); Hulme, St. Mary (1948-1963) Added 12,049 Marriages for Wigan and Leigh RD comprising: Leigh Register Office or Registrar Attended (1951-1978); St. Joseph's RC Leigh (1971-1978); Sacred Heart Church, Hindsford (1971-1978); St. Richard's Atherton (1971-1978); Twelve Apostles, Leigh (1971-1978); Sacred Heart, Leigh (1971-1978); Holy Family, Boothstown (1971-1978); Our Lady of the Rosary, Leigh (1971-1978); St. Gabriel's RC Church, Leigh (1970-1978); St. Catherine of Sienna, Lowton (1971-1978); All Saint's RC Church, Golborne (1971-1978); St. Ambrose Barlow, Astley (1971-1978); Bedford Methodist, Leigh (1951-1979); Congregational Church, Tyldesley (1951-1968); Trinity Methodist Church, Westleigh Lane, Leigh (1951-1978); Lane Head Methodist Church, Lowton (1952-1975); Tyldesley Methodist Church (1951-1978); Wigan Road Methodist Church, Leigh (1951-1978); Trinity Methodist Church, Bridge Street, Golborne (1951-1978); Central Methodist, Atherton (1951-1978); Primitive Methodist Church, Mosley Common (1951-197! 5); Lowton Road Methodist Church, Golborne (1953-1978); Astley Methodist Church (1951-1978); Bag Lane Methodist Church, Atherton (1951-1978); Kingsleigh Methodist Church (1951-1978); Independent Methodist Chapel, Tyldesley (1951-1977); Independent Methodist Chapel, Atherton (1951-1978); Independent Methodist Chapel, Lowton (1975-1978); United Reform Church, Leigh (1951-1978); Congregational Church, Golborne (1953-1975); Baptist Church, Leigh (1951-1970); Baptist Church, Atherton (1951-1978); Unitarian Chapel, Astley (1970-1978); Unitarian Chapel, Leigh (1951-1978); Chow Bent Unitarian Chapel, Atherton (1951-1978); Hindley Green Methodist Church (1951-1978); Primitive Methodist Church, Leigh Road, Leigh (1951-1967); Methodist Church, Plank Lane, Leigh (1951-1974); Primitive Methodist Church, Alma Street, Atherton (1951-1964); Primitive Methodist Church, Shuttle Street, Tyldesley (1951-1966); Tyldesley Chapel, Tyldesley (1951-1966) Added 4,253 Marriages for Rochdale RD comprising: Rochdale Register Office or Registrar Attended (1941-1951) ~ ~ ~ ~ Cheshire BMD and Yorkshire BMD were also updated in October. Many thanks to all responsible! Search for your ancestors in Lancashire at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk or use the multi-region search at http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/ Happy searching! Lynne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pburland Surnames: Bates Classification: lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52521/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Cannot find Joseph Bates born 1875 in Liverpool on 1881 census. His father was Samuel Bates. In 1891 Joseph and brother William are in a reform school in Liverpool - shortly afterwards Joseph is sent to Canada and doesn't return until 1902. In 1906 he marries Amy Martha Parker and on the 1911 census he is still working in Liverpool with no sign of Amy. In 1917 their child Reginald William is born in Pershore. Please can anyone fill in the gap from 1875 to 1891. Also looking for his WW1 military record. All advice gratefully received. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ANGELABECKETT1 Surnames: riley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52003.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have found through more research that thomas rileys parents are bernard riley and ellen evans and he was baptised on 20th sept 1835 at st anthonys liverpool he is on census until 1871, if anyone can help me find his death that would be great. regards angela Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

Hello, I have a family of Crooks (ho ho) on the 1911 census at 8 Dean Street, Bolton, Lancashire. Does anyone have any of these in their family tree? With the same family at the census were Jordans from Wrexham. Mary Jordan nee Allmand/Hallmond is proving very difficult to trace between 1881 and 1911. Mary Jordan has her daughter Emma Jordan in Wigan in 1890; who marries John William Crook in Holy Trinity Church Bolton 8 Aug 1909 where their address is given as 8 Bk. Ormrod Street. William Jordan (Emma's brother) returns to Wrexham and marries. He has 4 children but he dies young as does his wife. The children are split up and sent to live with their grans. Two are sent to Bolton: Emily Jordan and Patrick (Paddy) Jordan. Looks to me like Emily married John Edge in Bolton Q4 1941 and she died in December 2002. Possible son David Edge b Q4 1944 Bolton. Looks like Patrick married Dorothy Booth in Horwich Q1 1950 and died Bolton 1960. Any help gratefully received. Tony