---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: HOLDEN DOROTHY <dmholden@ntlworld.com> Date: 16 November 2013 23:03 Subject: Re: [LAN] Mavis J MENZIES born 1929 To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Not that I'm aware of - I'm a HOLDEN by marriage and my in-laws were not very interested in knowing the family history. I have researched back a few generations and they don't seem to have left Lancashire. There is another group of HOLDEN families in the South of England - perhaps the connection could be with them? Dot On 16 November 2013 22:34, Scott D Kendall <scottdkendall@gmail.com> wrote: > I can't locate mine before they migrated to the US. I had three cousins do > DNA testing but no matches with others. Is your family represented in the > study? > > My Kendalls are from that area pre 1650. > > Scott > > >

Hello all, Here are the latest set up records to be added to the Lancs OPC website. The search engine has also been updated to include them on any searches: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexw.html 13 November 2013 Baptisms 1885 to 1891 from St John the Baptist, Earlestown in the Parish of Newton-le-Willows Baptisms 1867 to 1906 from the Church of St John the Evangelist, Facit in the Parish of Rochdale Marriages 1938 to 1945 from the Church of St Mary in the Parish of Great Sankey Baptisms 1847 to 1906 from the Christ Church, Healey in the Parish of Rochdale Marriages 1841 to 1922 from the Church of St James, Heywood Marriages 1850 to 1851 from the Church of St Peter, Liverpool Baptisms 1758 to 1769 from the Church of St Chad, Rochdale Baptisms previously online in the range 1760 to 1769, originally transcribed from the BTs, have been updated with information from the Parish Registers, resulting in new entries and information Baptisms 1835 to 1894 from the Church of St Clement, Spotland in the Parish of Rochdale Baptisms 1831 to 1851 from the Church of St Bride, Toxteth, Liverpool Baptisms 1821 to 1859 and 1873 to 1900 and Marriages 1822 to 1862 from the Church of St James, Wardleworth in the Parish of Rochdale Burials 1879 to 1891 from the Whitworth Cemetery in the Parish of Rochdale Baptisms 1857 to 1861 from All Saints in the Town of Wigan Baptisms 1927 to 1941 from St Thomas, in the Town of Wigan 12 November 2013 Updated Baptisms 1865 to 1876 from the Church of St Thomas, in the District of Ardwick, Manchester Updated due to an error discovered in the original processing of this Register Burials 1813 to 1816 and 1820 to 1823 from the Parish Church of St Peter, Bolton Marriages 1879 to 1895 from the Church of St James in the District of Broughton, Salford Marriages 1887 to 1898 from the Church of St Saviour, in the District of Chorlton-on-Medlock, Manchester Baptisms 1828 to 1831 and Burials 1846 to 1850 and 1854 to 1857 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin, Eccles Marriages 1866 to 1880 from the Church of St Mark, in the District of Gorton, Manchester Banns 1940 to 1950 from the Church of St Matthew the Apostle, Habergham Eaves Marriages 1907 to 1941 from the Church of St John the Evangelist in the Parish of Hurst Baptisms 1799 to 1808 from the Church of St Ann in the City of Manchester Burials 2013 from Padiham Cemetery Marriages 1913 to 1926 from Christ Church, Pendlebury Burials 1903 to 1935 from the Church of St Thomas, Pendleton Marriages 1897 to 1908 from the Church of St John, in the Parish of Radcliffe Marriages 1915 to 1922 from the Stowell Memorial Church, in then District of Weaste, Salford Regards, Sally

Can you tell me anything more about your Patrick - not related to me but I'd like to give it a go! I have Shields in Wigan - of Irish roots - and they have been a devil to find so I know how frustrating this can be. Sandra -----Original Message----- From: LW <daletara@optusnet.com.au> To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 5:59 Subject: Re: [LAN] Swapping Info Excellent idea, someone might get a lost rellie for xmas. My surnames are Cunningham, Hagan, Dixon, Bibby. All around Liverpool, 1860's to 1890's. ave been trying to find the birth of my ggrandfather Patrick Cunningham arly 1860's in Liverpool for many many years. Cheers esley in Oz. :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Hello Julie, There was a Baptism dated 22nd October 1820 in the Register of St. Anthony's Catholic Church Liverpool of an Elisabeth Brown daughter of John and Mary Brown, born 11th inst. With Witnesses James Taylor and Elen Savage....as per Ancestry.com.uk Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906....... The original entry is found, but no occupation or place of residence given. I could not find any other children Baptised in a 10 year period to the same couple in the same Church. Could this be her I wonder..... Good luck, Robyn -----Original Message----- From: lancsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lancsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Julie Dalton Sent: Saturday, 16 November 2013 10:20 PM To: lancsgen Subject: [LAN] Elizabeth Brown born c1820 Liverpool Hi List Can anyone help me trying to find my GGG Grandmother Elizabeth Brown's parents. According to her marriage to Thomas Felton 21st December 1841 St Anthony's Catholic Church Liverpool her father was John Brown and his occupation was given as Glass Blower. At the time of the marriage Elizabeth's residence was Fontenoy Street I have found Elizabeth on the 1841 census prior to her marriage. I would like to try and find John her father but I can not find one with the occupation of Glass Blower, I would also like to determine who was her mother and did she have any siblings. Can anyone help please. regards Julie Dalton :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Scott - sorry to have startled you :-) My HOLDEN's are from Lancashire. Dot On 16 November 2013 21:28, Scott D Kendall <scottdkendall@gmail.com> wrote: > I saw this email and had to do a double take. Dorothy Holden was my > grandmothers name. I'm from Kansas in the US. > > Take care > Scott Kendall > > > On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 3:02 PM, HOLDEN DOROTHY <dmholden@ntlworld.com > >wrote: > > > I have been looking for Mavis for some time. She married George BELL in > > 1951. I think she may have remarried Norman W BARNARD (sending for the > > certificate) - does anyone know anything about Mavis? She is my cousin > but > > I know so little about her. > > > > > > Dot > > -- > > Dot Holden > > Dover Kent UK > > There are three things that can never be retrieved, the spoken word, time > > past and the neglected opportunity > > > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > > fees! > > > > The list's administrator can be contacted at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dot Holden Dover Kent UK There are three things that can never be retrieved, the spoken word, time past and the neglected opportunity

I have been looking for Mavis for some time. She married George BELL in 1951. I think she may have remarried Norman W BARNARD (sending for the certificate) - does anyone know anything about Mavis? She is my cousin but I know so little about her. Dot -- Dot Holden Dover Kent UK There are three things that can never be retrieved, the spoken word, time past and the neglected opportunity

I have a Military list for each of my family branches (GENT, MAYOR, WHALLEY) that includes not only WWI but all the wars divided by war. On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 15:09:55 -0500, sandra.bev@talktalk.net wrote: > What a brilliant idea - tracing WW1 names - I wonder if it may be and > idea to post a seperate message letting people know or asking about > others who may be doing the same thing. > > Sandra > > > > > >

I am currently researching all of the men with my surname - Swarbrick - who served in the First World War. I already have information on over 200, but there are some 40+ for whom I only have name, rank and number. If anyone out there has a Swarbrick ancestor who served and can help I'd be glad to hear from you. I may even br able to tell you a thing or two. On 16 November 2013 19:23, David Railton <railton.david@btinternet.com>wrote: > Following Sandra's call for an early Christmas roll call of ones we have > searched all year for, here is a difficult one: > > Henry Charles LEWIS, once described by his daughter as a 'broken down > Memphis cotton broker'. He spent much time in Liverpool in the 1870s and > 1880s without leaving any trace other than 3 children born to my great > great > grand aunt Mary Fletcher CLARKE who called herself Mary Fletcher LEWIS > despite her not having married the man. Mary had been born in Runcorn in > 1847 to Peter CLARKE, a Liverpool tide waiter (customs officer) and his > wife > Sarah CLARKE nee ECCLES. > > David > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lyndare1d Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52520.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Many thanks Val for all of your hard work. I shall keep plodding on . Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

Following Sandra's call for an early Christmas roll call of ones we have searched all year for, here is a difficult one: Henry Charles LEWIS, once described by his daughter as a 'broken down Memphis cotton broker'. He spent much time in Liverpool in the 1870s and 1880s without leaving any trace other than 3 children born to my great great grand aunt Mary Fletcher CLARKE who called herself Mary Fletcher LEWIS despite her not having married the man. Mary had been born in Runcorn in 1847 to Peter CLARKE, a Liverpool tide waiter (customs officer) and his wife Sarah CLARKE nee ECCLES. David

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AntonyMarr Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52536.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: It should - by having (deceased) next to his name. But I have seen many examples where the register hasn't been filled in correctly. It may be the vicar didn't phrase the question correctly, or the groom misunderstood or just didn't mention he had died. To be absolutely certain you will need to track down the death record/certificate. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 1_kdaley1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52536/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Liverpool, England, Marriages and Banns 1813-1921 shows marriage at St Nicholas CE Church on 26 May 1873 of James White and Jane Bowman I think that Robert White (father of groom) was dead by 1861 as the Census shows his wife Mary as a widow. Question is would the Church Record necessarily show if Robert was deceased. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

Thanks Dave Was Swarbrick's Court named after an ancestor? Dave -----Original Message----- From: John David Swarbrick Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 7:20 PM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAN] Preston in the 1960s You might find this link of interest: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Starch+House+square Dave Swarbrick On 15 November 2013 12:34, Neil Houghton <gen1@possumology.com> wrote: > Hi Dave, > > I don't know if being on a map makes it the "correct" spelling but this > 1950 > map lists it as Starchhouse Sq. in the street index (map ref E5): > < > http://www.flickr.com/photos/rpsmithbarney/5261892451/sizes/o/in/set-721576 > 23098392683/> > > Also this page: > <http://www.madeinpreston.co.uk/history3.html> > says: > " Also the Starch Houses are shown, these were knocked down in 1913 sand > replaced by Starchhouse Square which was a bus and coach terminal." > > > HTH > > > Neil > -- > Neil Houghton > Albany > Western Australia > > > on 15/11/13 16:00, lancsgen-request@rootsweb.com at > lancsgen-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:39:05 -0000 > > From: "Dave Shaw" <shaws@vectis8.wanadoo.co.uk> > > Subject: [LAN] Preston in the 1960s > > To: <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <0B4778935C7B40DF821B5899499D813A@Vectis8PC> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > Is there anyone out there who knew Preston in the 1960s or has access to > > 1960s or earlier information? > > > > Before the town centre was redeveloped and the new road built there was > > somewhere called Starchhouse Square, somewhere behind Fishergate. It was > the > > bus station for local independent bus operators such as Fishwicks, BBMS > and > > Viking. I need to know the correct spelling. Is it Starchhouse Square or > > Starch House Square? Google comes up with both. > > > > Can anyone solve my problem? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Dave > > Fleetwood > > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can't locate mine before they migrated to the US. I had three cousins do DNA testing but no matches with others. Is your family represented in the study? My Kendalls are from that area pre 1650. Scott On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 4:30 PM, HOLDEN DOROTHY <dmholden@ntlworld.com>wrote: > Hi Scott - sorry to have startled you :-) My HOLDEN's are from > Lancashire. > > Dot > > > On 16 November 2013 21:28, Scott D Kendall <scottdkendall@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I saw this email and had to do a double take. Dorothy Holden was my > > grandmothers name. I'm from Kansas in the US. > > > > Take care > > Scott Kendall > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 3:02 PM, HOLDEN DOROTHY <dmholden@ntlworld.com > > >wrote: > > > > > I have been looking for Mavis for some time. She married George BELL > in > > > 1951. I think she may have remarried Norman W BARNARD (sending for the > > > certificate) - does anyone know anything about Mavis? She is my cousin > > but > > > I know so little about her. > > > > > > > > > Dot > > > -- > > > Dot Holden > > > Dover Kent UK > > > There are three things that can never be retrieved, the spoken word, > time > > > past and the neglected opportunity > > > > > > > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > > > fees! > > > > > > The list's administrator can be contacted at > LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > > fees! > > > > The list's administrator can be contacted at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Dot Holden > Dover Kent UK > There are three things that can never be retrieved, the spoken word, time > past and the neglected opportunity > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Great idea Sandra. I will add the names SALE, WHITE, GREEN, NIELSON AND STOCKPORT to my Christmas wish list! Anne in Hamilton, Ontario -----Original Message----- From: sandra.bev@talktalk.net Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 1:29 PM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] Swapping info ... Hi List I know it's too early to think about Christmas but what about making someones year with a roll call of names including "the one" they have searched all year to find? I'll kick off - Hardens of Cockermouth, any century will do ! Regards Sandra :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I saw this email and had to do a double take. Dorothy Holden was my grandmothers name. I'm from Kansas in the US. Take care Scott Kendall On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 3:02 PM, HOLDEN DOROTHY <dmholden@ntlworld.com>wrote: > I have been looking for Mavis for some time. She married George BELL in > 1951. I think she may have remarried Norman W BARNARD (sending for the > certificate) - does anyone know anything about Mavis? She is my cousin but > I know so little about her. > > > Dot > -- > Dot Holden > Dover Kent UK > There are three things that can never be retrieved, the spoken word, time > past and the neglected opportunity > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

What a brilliant idea - tracing WW1 names - I wonder if it may be and idea to post a seperate message letting people know or asking about others who may be doing the same thing. Sandra -----Original Message----- From: John David Swarbrick <jds1949@gmail.com> To: lancsgen@rootsweb. Sent: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 20:02 Subject: Re: [LAN] Swapping info ... I am currently researching all of the men with my surname - Swarbrick - who erved in the First World War. I already have information on over 200, but here are some 40+ for whom I only have name, rank and number. If anyone ut there has a Swarbrick ancestor who served and can help I'd be glad to ear from you. I may even br able to tell you a thing or two. n 16 November 2013 19:23, David Railton <railton.david@btinternet.com>wrote: > Following Sandra's call for an early Christmas roll call of ones we have searched all year for, here is a difficult one: Henry Charles LEWIS, once described by his daughter as a 'broken down Memphis cotton broker'. He spent much time in Liverpool in the 1870s and 1880s without leaving any trace other than 3 children born to my great great grand aunt Mary Fletcher CLARKE who called herself Mary Fletcher LEWIS despite her not having married the man. Mary had been born in Runcorn in 1847 to Peter CLARKE, a Liverpool tide waiter (customs officer) and his wife Sarah CLARKE nee ECCLES. David :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Hi List I know it's too early to think about Christmas but what about making someones year with a roll call of names including "the one" they have searched all year to find? I'll kick off - Hardens of Cockermouth, any century will do ! Regards Sandra

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: valjdallison Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52520.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi lyn, I haven't been able to throw any more light on your research unfortunately. I thought that maybe the town web site might have some info there but i can't find anything. They do show some grave inscriptions for St Bartholomews church but i couldn't find any of the names. It is an interesting site with various links so do take a look. http://www.great-harwood.org.uk/index.htm Good luck in your research Val. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

Hi List Can anyone help me trying to find my GGG Grandmother Elizabeth Brown's parents. According to her marriage to Thomas Felton 21st December 1841 St Anthony's Catholic Church Liverpool her father was John Brown and his occupation was given as Glass Blower. At the time of the marriage Elizabeth's residence was Fontenoy Street I have found Elizabeth on the 1841 census prior to her marriage. I would like to try and find John her father but I can not find one with the occupation of Glass Blower, I would also like to determine who was her mother and did she have any siblings. Can anyone help please. regards Julie Dalton