<<snipped>> But presumably they will not be 'viewed' in the context of a household as others in the household may still be alive. <<snipped>> No idea how they intend to do it - they probably don't know themselves yet - but one option would be to digitally redact the relevant lines - this was done for the 1911 census where the "Infirmity" columns were blanked until the "proper" 100 years had passed. That way the entire household could be seen as one, apart from the redactions. But since I don't know what the surviving document looks like, this may not make much sense.... Another point that I don't know about is whether the custodians of the data have access to death information, or death info up to the formation of the NHS, or no access at all and therefore basically everybody born later than 100y ago is held to be alive.... Any extra info gratefully received... Adrian B

Hi Rhoda No it is not open to public view however thats an organisational problem rather than due to legislation The 1939 National Identity Register is in the care of the NHS and you can request an entry for £42 subject to conditions (ie proof of death) There is no usual 100 year privacy rule in the UK, it applies to some things and not to others, some have 75 years, other no restriction, the 100 year on the census was retrospectively applied Electoral rolls are already available right up to date and 2002 to 2013 are online at findmypast (subject to the person not opting out on the form) The 1940 census is already online for the USA and I haven't seen the Country collapse :-) The 1939 National Identity Register is also available in Scotland for a much smaller fee of £13 <http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2010/01/12103321> All the details (and more) on the National Registration can be obtained by obtaining a birth certificate or marriage certificate for that person, as they are public records right up to the present day To be on the NI register you would need to be at least 75, all people I have known who appear in any census have been tickled pink to see themselves, I have never known anyone to be offended However the details for those less than 100 years from the date of birth will be closed unless proof of death can be furnished As I said the same details and more can be obtained quite easily by obtaining a certificate Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27/03/2014 19:39, Rhoda Overson wrote: > Sorry to be a party pooper but is this Register currently open to view at > the National Archives? How detailed is it? It does seem odd that the UK's > usual 100-year privacy rules aren't being applied here. Many of the people > on this register will still be alive and may not wish their details to be > open to worldwide view. > > Rhoda

Thanks for answering my questions, Adrian I am now wondering how the digitised system is going to work in practice. Presumably the details of those with a date of birth of, say, 1918 or earlier will be 'open to view' (at, of course, a charge of £x). But presumably they will not be 'viewed' in the context of a household as others in the household may still be alive. So, what is being offered is a database of individuals and not households? And it will not apply to the Scottish records? (regardless of a 'yes' or 'no' vote in September!). Rhoda -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Bruce Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:57 PM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAN] 1939 Register <<snipped>> is this Register currently open to view at the National Archives? <<snipped>> No. It is currently only accessible through a paid-for manual enquiry process (see http://www.hscic.gov.uk/register-service ). <<snipped>> It does seem odd that the UK's usual 100-year privacy rules aren't being applied here. <<snipped>> Not so. What the FMP news item doesn't state (presumably because they think detail will scare the horses) is covered in Chris Paton's blog at http://britishgenes.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/findmypast-to-digitise-englishwel sh.html where he states "information about living individuals will be kept closed for 100 years from their year of birth, or until proof of death has been authenticated". This is the case for the manual process as well, though again many references to it, don't bother with details like that. <<snipped>> How detailed is it? <<snipped>> To quote the "Register Service" web-site for the current process: "Data will be provided only where the individual is recorded as deceased (or where clear evidence of death can be provided by the applicant) and will include; National Registration number Address Surname First Forename Other Forename(s)/Initial(s) Date of Birth Sex Marital Status Occupation Adrian B ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Daniel_John_Swainston Surnames: JONES (nee SIMPSON) Classification: lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52697/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for Janet Elizabeth JONES (nee SIMPSON) Janet were born in 1960, daughter of Roy and Jean Simpson, Janet also had a brother called Roger Paul SIMPSON (1957-1982) Janet is married to a guy called Benjamin JONES and have 2 children. Last known address for Janet and her family is in 2004 in St Anne's where they have always lived but cannot find anymore records after that. If anyone knows anything please reply back on this thread or my email address which is danieljohnswainston@hotmail.com. Thanks. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

<<snipped>> is this Register currently open to view at the National Archives? <<snipped>> No. It is currently only accessible through a paid-for manual enquiry process (see http://www.hscic.gov.uk/register-service ). <<snipped>> It does seem odd that the UK's usual 100-year privacy rules aren't being applied here. <<snipped>> Not so. What the FMP news item doesn't state (presumably because they think detail will scare the horses) is covered in Chris Paton's blog at http://britishgenes.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/findmypast-to-digitise-englishwel sh.html where he states "information about living individuals will be kept closed for 100 years from their year of birth, or until proof of death has been authenticated". This is the case for the manual process as well, though again many references to it, don't bother with details like that. <<snipped>> How detailed is it? <<snipped>> To quote the "Register Service" web-site for the current process: "Data will be provided only where the individual is recorded as deceased (or where clear evidence of death can be provided by the applicant) and will include; National Registration number Address Surname First Forename Other Forename(s)/Initial(s) Date of Birth Sex Marital Status Occupation Adrian B

Sorry to be a party pooper but is this Register currently open to view at the National Archives? How detailed is it? It does seem odd that the UK's usual 100-year privacy rules aren't being applied here. Many of the people on this register will still be alive and may not wish their details to be open to worldwide view. Rhoda -----Original Message----- From: John Hanson Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 12:36 PM To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com ; lancsgen@rootsweb.com ; LANCSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] 1939 Register It has just been announced that findmypast.co.uk in conjunction with the National Archives is to digitise and publish the 1939 register. Full details on their blog at http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2014/new-project-to-release-the-1939-register-f or-the-first-time-online/ John Hanson

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: fossys Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/315.2637.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello William I am also researching your family. Do you have a brothers named Stanley, Edward,John? I am related to the wife of Stanley McHugh ,Her maiden name is Hulme!! Please contact me my email mizzymazz@gmail.com Regards Marie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: whitesfan1930 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52696.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Harmch4 Found the following children on the Family Thomas & Sarah Johnson 1911 birth Harold Johnson Blackburn 1915 Birth Edna Johnson Blackburn 1916 Birth Jenny Johnson south eastern Blackburn 1920 Birth Dorothy Johnson south eastern Blackburn Mothers Maiden name Pickup Regards James Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: whitesfan1930 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52696.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi harmch4 Richard Johnson married Sarah Topping 1883 at Feniscowoles Immanuel church Blackburn District Thomas Johnson Birth 1886 Sub Witton district Mothers maiden name Topping Thomas Johnson married to Elizabeth Pickup at St Stephans Blackburn 1911 Regards James Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: HarMch4 Surnames: Johnson Pickup Topping Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52696/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Lookin for any help with the Johnson family, My grandfather Thomas Johnson 1886-1962 Married Elizabeth Ann Pickup. His father was Richard Johnson married Sarah Topping. Any help would be very much appreciated. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

Now I wonder what's so scary about showing your age , names , address and occupation? This is after the great depression and the beginning of the war, my family were lucky to survive. During the Depression my gran brought up her two sons on her own in Hulme , Manchester. Husband took off and left her when they were youngsters. Maybe her ex might show up in this record. Its a bit late to claim anything from him. Mike Morris Toronto Canada >________________________________ > From: Rhoda Overson <rhoda6@btinternet.com> >To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 3:39:52 PM >  >Sorry to be a party pooper but is this Register currently open to view at >the National Archives?  How detailed is it?  It does seem odd that the UK's >usual 100-year privacy rules aren't being applied here. <snip> >

It has just been announced that findmypast.co.uk in conjunction with the National Archives is to digitise and publish the 1939 register. Full details on their blog at http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2014/new-project-to-release-the-1939-register-f or-the-first-time-online/ John Hanson

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: janet_sabet Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/38147.2.2.2.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Thanks for taking the time to message me. What a lovely story and so good that you still have the picture. I must admit, I thought it wouldn't be a very nice place to be, but your story made me smile. Best wishes, Janet Sabet Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thoughtfox53 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/38147.2.2.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I just found your email by accident while searching for information regarding Langho Colony. My Grandfather worked at the hospital from about 1938 for about 15 years, but not in a medical post. He was the foreman of the works department at the colony, having served his time first as a plumber. I remember as a child he told me that many of the 'inmates' were particular friends of his, working in the hospital brought him into contact with them regularly. One patient in particular made him a marquetry picture that I still have to this day. I know this has nothing to do with your own research, but sometime it is nice to know that other people have interests which overlap yours. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jfr149 Surnames: Chadwick Classification: death Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52695/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, I bought a DC for a child of 8 Ronald Chadwick. Died in 1940 Knotty Ash, Liverpool. Is anyone interested in the info. I'm afraid it wasn't my relative. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

Hi Jim Good to hear from you again!! Very many thanks for your info and explanation, should help get me through the morass!! Cheers Jenny

Hi Sally Many thanks for the info, it all adds to the picture, I did not know that William was a painter - His actual first name was Theophilus! The name of the second daughter is also very helpful - gives me more to search on. There were also two stillborn sons but presumably access is not given to these entries? Many thanks Jenny -----Original Message----- From: lancsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lancsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sally roberts Sent: 25 March 2014 22:13 To: englangeneral Subject: Re: [LAN] I'm back ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Jennie, You asked about > The reference is for a Dorothy Jennie Anderton born June quarter 1914, > reference Preston district, Volume 8e page 1067. This is a reference to an entry in the General Register Office (GRO) register of births. The only way to determine what is recorded is to purchase a copy of the certificate, either from the GRO or from the Lancashire Register Services. There is another index which is based on the original Registrar's register and so will have fewer transcription errors. It is available at http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php This has the entry - Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1914 Surname, Forename(s); Sub-District; Registers At; Mother's Maiden Name; Reference ANDERTON Dorothy Jennie West Preston Preston ANDERTON WP/17/71 If you follow the instructions, you can order this certificate on-line. The fact that the mother's maiden name is the same as the child's surname is often, but not necessarily, an indication that the parents were not married. You go on to say - > There is apparently another daughter born two years later, but I can find > no trace on FreeBMD. You can search LancsBMD by Surname alone and I would suggest that "two years later" is taken as vague and that you search 1915 - 1917. If the mother's circumstances have not changed their are two MAYBE births with mother's surname ANDERTON. You will need to apply your knowledge of the family to make a decision about further action. Hope this helps, Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.) -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Anderton Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:52 PM To: LANCSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] I'm back

Hi Jenny, Here's the information on the family from the sailing schedule, if that's any help... Name:Dorothy ANDERTON Date of departure:16 June 1921 Port of departure:Southampton Passenger destination port:Wellington, New Zealand Date of Birth:1915 (calculated from age) Age:6 Marital status: Sex:Female Child Passenger recorded on:Page 11 of 25 The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: Mrs ANDERTON  age 31 Betty ANDERTON  age 4 Wm ANDERTON   age 31 (Painter) Residence: 154 North Road, Preston, Lancashire Ship: PAKEHA Official Number: 131759 Master's name: W Hartman Steamship Line: Shaw Savill & Albion Co Ltd Regards, Sally --------------------------------------- > From: peterwell@btinternet.com > To: LANCSGEN@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 21:52:24 +0000 > Subject: [LAN] I'm back > > Hi all > I wonder if anyone who is visiting the Preston records office sometime soon > would have the time to look up a reference for me and let me have any info > about them, specifically the actual date of birth. > > The reference is for a Dorothy Jennie Anderton born June quarter 1914, > reference Preston district, Volume 8e page 1067. > > Out of the blue I received the request for the exact date of birth for this > Anderton born in Lancs but who later emigrated with parents to NZ. 10 years > ago I had tried to follow this link but received no reply, so assumed that > something had happened. > There is apparently another daughter born two years later, but I can find no > trace on FreeBMD. > Any help would be much appreciated. > Many thanks > Jenny > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all I wonder if anyone who is visiting the Preston records office sometime soon would have the time to look up a reference for me and let me have any info about them, specifically the actual date of birth. The reference is for a Dorothy Jennie Anderton born June quarter 1914, reference Preston district, Volume 8e page 1067. Out of the blue I received the request for the exact date of birth for this Anderton born in Lancs but who later emigrated with parents to NZ. 10 years ago I had tried to follow this link but received no reply, so assumed that something had happened. There is apparently another daughter born two years later, but I can find no trace on FreeBMD. Any help would be much appreciated. Many thanks Jenny