Hello Cousin! Long time no hear :o) Don't forget to post your emails to the Fylde rootsweb list as well - you may find someone on there who doesn't subscribe to the Lancashire list. Regards,Sally > Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 18:56:13 +0100 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [LAN] Newbie > From: [email protected] > > Hi > > New to the list, wel... after a layoff for a few years > > Researching Leach from Lower Darwen > Kellett from Heysham > Singleton from the Fyld > Bisson from Jersey

Tell us a little about your Lancashire families. Maybe someone can make a connection or help with some information. Lynne davidbisson wrote: > >Hi > >New to the list, wel... after a layoff for a few years > >Researching Leach from Lower Darwen > Kellett from Heysham > Singleton from the Fyld > Bisson from Jersey >

Dear Jeff, Thanks for that input :) I had Robert Bradshaw, and later children, but not Mary - may I ask where you found her?. I also had the appropriate baptism for John Taylor to James and Betty (possibly née Hilton) but not the abode or occupation. Where did you find that? Was it Ancestry? This is all assuming that 'the correct' John Taylor Was the son of James and Betty of course! (I'm forever doubting even though I'm also 'pretty sure'!!!) Best wishes, Penny On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 1:58 PM, [email protected] via < [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > You are correct that Thomas Bradshaw's wife was Jane Reeve, Married > on the 1st April 1821 in Leigh, Lancashire > > Their son Robert born 1826 in Ashton under Lyne died and was buried > in Oldham in 1831 There was also another Daughter: Mary born 1824 > in Ashton. > > This looks to be John Taylors Baptism: > Baptism: 4 Jul 1824 St Mary, Oldham, Lancashire, England > John Taylor - Son of James Taylor & Betty > Abode: Green Gate > Occupation: Engineer > Baptised by: J. Fallowfield > Register: Baptisms 1822 - 1829, Page 96, Entry 763 > Source: Film No 1656162. > > > jeff > > > > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You are correct that Thomas Bradshaw's wife was Jane Reeve, Married on the 1st April 1821 in Leigh, Lancashire Their son Robert born 1826 in Ashton under Lyne died and was buried in Oldham in 1831 There was also another Daughter: Mary born 1824 in Ashton. This looks to be John Taylors Baptism: Baptism: 4 Jul 1824 St Mary, Oldham, Lancashire, England John Taylor - Son of James Taylor & Betty Abode: Green Gate Occupation: Engineer Baptised by: J. Fallowfield Register: Baptisms 1822 - 1829, Page 96, Entry 763 Source: Film No 1656162. jeff

Manchester & Lancashire Family History Society's October events and news: ---------- Wednesday 7 October 7.30pm Bolton Branch Meeting: Civil Registration Sara Vernon, local author and Phd Research Student who is researching “Salford Hundred Place/ Field Names and their archaeological importance within the studied landscape”, iscoming to tell us about the history and origins of some local surnames . If you have read any of her books about Bolton I think you will agree that this should be a treat. This meeting will be held at Bolton Cricket Club, Green Lane, Great Lever, Bolton, BL3 2JB ____________________________________________ Saturday 10 October 10.30am Beginners' Talk: 19th & 20th Century Sources ***Please note that the venue for this talk has been changed. It will now be held in room F12 of the Friends Meeting House in Mount Street (just at the rear of Central Library)*** These talks are aimed at people new to family history research or those who simply wish to refresh their knowledge and last from 10.30am until approximately 12.30pm. The talks are free to Society members but non-members are most welcome to attend for a small charge of £3.00 (refundable for anyone who joins on the day). A few places are left. Visit https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/d/united-kingdom--manchester/mlfhs/?sort=date to book a place. ____________________________________________ Saturday 10 October 2pm Oldham Branch Meeting: The Lancashire Textile Industry and how it can be seen in 2015 Ian Gibson retired in in November 2010 as Head of Lancashire County Museum Service which has three textile mill sites which are "Designated" as being of both national and international importance. In his talk he hopes to give a flavour of the once vast scale of the Lancashire textile industry and how a little of it is being preserved for future generations to wonder at. This meeting will be held at Gallery Oldham. ____________________________________________ Saturday 17 October 2pm Anglo-Scottish Branch Meeting ***This Meeting will be held in Room F12 at the Friends' Meeting House in Mount Street (behind Central Library)*** WW1 Research by Members - Presentation ____________________________________________ Wednesday 21 October 10.30am to 2pm Manchester Quarterly Meeting ***To be held in the Friends' Meeting House, Mount Street (behind Central Library)*** 10.30 am A Lancashire Garland – The History of Lancashire and it’s Dialect in Songs, Stories & Poems. Speaker Sid Calderbank 12.00 Lunch 1.00 pm A History of Manchester Newspapers – First Edition to City Final. Speaker – Peter Levy Registration is essential. Go to https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/d/united-kingdom--manchester/mlfhs/?sort=date to book a place. The meeting is FREE to paid up MLFHS members, but there is a charge of £3 (payable at the time of booking) for non-members. If, however, you decide to join MLFHS on the day this fee will be refunded. ____________________________________________ ***Future Event*** Tuesday 1 December The 1939 Register ***MLFHS MEMBERS ONLY*** The Society will be welcoming Myko Clelland of Findmypast to Central Library on Tuesday 1 December. Myko will be delivering a presentation about Findmypast's forthcoming launch of the 1939 Registration Records. While we find the census invaluable for our research up to 1911, a problem looms because the returns for 1931 were destroyed in a fire and in 1941 there was no census owing to the war. Consequently this vital source will be denied to researchers between 1921 and 1951. Fortunately, the war prompted government to set up a registration system and even more fortunately, today's government has agreed to publication (with some small redactions) of the original registration records. Findmypast are digitising these records and indexed images will appear on their web site later this year. Myko will be giving two (identical) presentations at Central Library on Tuesday 1 December. One will begin at 11am and the other at 1.30pm. Each will take about one hour. Demand for places at these sessions is expected to be high and registration in advance is essential. Go to https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/d/united-kingdom--manchester/mlfhs/?sort=date to book a place. ____________________________________________ NEW PUBLICATION Our Irish Branch Volunteers have completed the first part of a major undertaking, the transcription of the baptism registers for St. Chad's RC Church 1772-1893. These have now been published on DVD. Full details can be found at http://www.bookshop.mlfhs.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_3&products_id=1587&

Hi Penny, Just some thoughts. Have you traced your James Bradshaw's family after his Marriage in 1868 to see whether there is any mention of the surname Taylor as a visitor, or Christian name along the lines. Did John Taylor, Engineer, remain in the area, if so, check to see if he had any Bradshaw visitors during the Census years. Thereafter, are there any Wills later on that may be shown up on Ancestry etc. and give some clues....... Good luck, Robyn -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Penny Trueman via Sent: Tuesday, 29 September 2015 7:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [LAN] James BRADSHAW 1846-c1907? Dear Listers, I am repeating (almost) an earlier query, as I had no replies and wondered if the message had got lost (in view of the current disadvantages) In 1841 Alice Bradshaw (christened 1829 in Ashton-under-Lyne) was living with her parents, Thomas Bradshaw and Jane (nee Reeve?) at Bank Top, Ashton& Oldham; Oldham-cum-Prestwich; Oldham Above. She had three younger siblings (Secill/Cecil, Margt./Margaret and Ann). In September 1846 Alice gave birth to a son she named James; in 1849 she christened a daughter Sarah Jane and, in 1858, another daughter named Elizabeth Ann. I have been trying to trace the fathers of these three, particularly the eldest, James. On his marriage certificate in 1868 (to Ann Elizabeth Heaton) his father's name is given as John Taylor, a fire beater (i.e. engineer). [Sarah Jane had married Robert Farrow in 1866 and gave her father's name as Edward Ogden and Elizabeth Ann married John William Biggs in 1879, giving her father's name as David Bradshaw] I am pretty sure I have the right John Taylor's family, but how can I *prove* it? *1841* census; Lancs, Ashton & Oldham; Oldham-cum-Prestwich; Oldham Above. Folio 17; page 11; Bank Top: James TAYLOR, 35, Engineer, Y. Betty TAYLOR, 35, Y. John TAYLOR, 15, Engineer, Y. Joseph TAYLOR, 10, Y. [Both Alice Bradshaw and John Taylor were probably working at the same Mill] Best Wishes, Penny --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

To Mike (in Toronto: Hi Mike, long time no see/speak) and Robyn (also, I think): I have followed the family of James Bradshaw and John Taylor forward and he does not appear, nor do any other 'Taylors' appear with the Bradshaw family. The reason I 'chose' the particular 1841 Taylor family is that they were living in the same area in fairly close proximity with the same mills. [As did the later father Edward Ogden, who had a silver spoon in his mouth] Naturally I have followed both families forward (and backwards). Other than the natural seeming close proximity John Taylor of 1841 there are enumerable possibilities [*****] Thanks. Keep it up:) Penny On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 12:51 AM, Robyn Clarke <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Penny, > > Just some thoughts. > > Have you traced your James Bradshaw's family after his Marriage in 1868 to > see whether there is any mention of the surname Taylor as a visitor, or > Christian name along the lines. > Did John Taylor, Engineer, remain in the area, if so, check to see if he > had > any Bradshaw visitors during the Census years. > Thereafter, are there any Wills later on that may be shown up on Ancestry > etc. and give some clues....... > > Good luck, > Robyn > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Penny Trueman via > Sent: Tuesday, 29 September 2015 7:20 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [LAN] James BRADSHAW 1846-c1907? > > Dear Listers, I am repeating (almost) an earlier query, as I had no replies > and wondered if the message had got lost (in view of the current > disadvantages) > > In 1841 Alice Bradshaw (christened 1829 in Ashton-under-Lyne) was living > with her parents, Thomas Bradshaw and Jane (nee Reeve?) at Bank Top, > Ashton& > Oldham; Oldham-cum-Prestwich; Oldham Above. > She had three younger siblings (Secill/Cecil, Margt./Margaret and Ann). > In September 1846 Alice gave birth to a son she named James; in 1849 she > christened a daughter Sarah Jane and, in 1858, another daughter named > Elizabeth Ann. > I have been trying to trace the fathers of these three, particularly the > eldest, James. On his marriage certificate in 1868 (to Ann Elizabeth > Heaton) his father's name is given as John Taylor, a fire beater (i.e. > engineer). > [Sarah Jane had married Robert Farrow in 1866 and gave her father's name as > Edward Ogden and Elizabeth Ann married John William Biggs in 1879, giving > her father's name as David Bradshaw] > > I am pretty sure I have the right John Taylor's family, but how can I > *prove* it? > > *1841* census; Lancs, Ashton & Oldham; Oldham-cum-Prestwich; Oldham Above. > > Folio 17; page 11; Bank Top: James TAYLOR, 35, Engineer, Y. > > Betty TAYLOR, 35, Y. > > John TAYLOR, 15, Engineer, Y. > > Joseph TAYLOR, 10, Y. > > [Both Alice Bradshaw and John Taylor were probably working at the same > Mill] > > Best Wishes, Penny > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >

Dear Listers, I am repeating (almost) an earlier query, as I had no replies and wondered if the message had got lost (in view of the current disadvantages) In 1841 Alice Bradshaw (christened 1829 in Ashton-under-Lyne) was living with her parents, Thomas Bradshaw and Jane (nee Reeve?) at Bank Top, Ashton& Oldham; Oldham-cum-Prestwich; Oldham Above. She had three younger siblings (Secill/Cecil, Margt./Margaret and Ann). In September 1846 Alice gave birth to a son she named James; in 1849 she christened a daughter Sarah Jane and, in 1858, another daughter named Elizabeth Ann. I have been trying to trace the fathers of these three, particularly the eldest, James. On his marriage certificate in 1868 (to Ann Elizabeth Heaton) his father's name is given as John Taylor, a fire beater (i.e. engineer). [Sarah Jane had married Robert Farrow in 1866 and gave her father's name as Edward Ogden and Elizabeth Ann married John William Biggs in 1879, giving her father's name as David Bradshaw] I am pretty sure I have the right John Taylor's family, but how can I *prove* it? *1841* census; Lancs, Ashton & Oldham; Oldham-cum-Prestwich; Oldham Above. Folio 17; page 11; Bank Top: James TAYLOR, 35, Engineer, Y. Betty TAYLOR, 35, Y. John TAYLOR, 15, Engineer, Y. Joseph TAYLOR, 10, Y. [Both Alice Bradshaw and John Taylor were probably working at the same Mill] Best Wishes, Penny

CHARGE OF ARSON. – At the Liverpool Assizes, a man named MICHAEL MILETT was charged with having wilfully set fire to a warehouse at Warrington, belonging to RALPH JOHNSON. The prisoner, it appeared, was in JOHNSON’s employ up to December last, when he left. He was afterwards seen on defendant’s premises in a state of intoxication, and was ordered off. The night afterwards he was seen loitering about the warehouse, from which flames soon afterwards arose, but were soon extinguished. The prisoner gave himself into custody, and stated that he set fire to the warehouse. The defence was that the prisoner was drunk at the time he made the statement, which, therefore, could not be relied upon; but he was found guilty, and sentenced to five years’ penal servitude. _____________________________________________________________ CHARGE OF DRUNKENNESS AGAINST A CAPTAIN. – A meeting of the Liverpool Local Marine Board, held to inquire into a charge of drunkenness and misconduct against MR. THOMAS COUCH, late master of the barque ‘Netherton’, of Liverpool. The evidence of the mate and the boatswain was to effect that during a recent voyage from Pernambuco to Liverpool, CAPTAIN COUCH was several times intoxicated, and on one occasion when he was in that state, he used threatening and abusive language towards the mate. The result of the inquiry was that the captain was exonerated from all blame. __________________________________________________________ LANCASHIRE BRUTALITIES (from the “Echo”) The increasing number and maliguity of offences against the person, and their comparative impunity, are themes of indignant comment throughout the country, and it is agreed on all hands that something must be done to induce the administrators of the law to treat them with, at least, as much severity as offences against property. A sentence just passed at the Salford intermediate Sessions shows that the law can do a good deal to punish the latter. It is too much to hope that the former may soon be regarded as deserving similar notice, and that a man who kicks a fellow-creature almost to death will receive at lease as severe a punishment as the woman who steals a loin of lamb. For this offence MARY FENTON, a factory operative, was sentenced to ten years’ penal servitude, and seven years’ police supervision. It would be interesting to calculate, taking the present tariff of punishment as a guide, how many ribs she might have broken, and how many noses she might have smashed, at six months a piece, during the ten years she is to be incarcerated for stealing one loin of lamb. __________________________________________________________ A SINGULAR ACCIDENT has occurred in Weston’s Museum Concert Hall, Bolton. One of the performers, a “delineator of negro character”, in one part of his entertainment fired off a blunderbuss, loaded with powder and paper, and shot one of the audience, named LAMBERT FLETCHER, collier, of Daubhill, who was seated in the pit, inflicting rather a serious wounds. ___________________________________________________________ AT THE MANCHESTER COUNTY POLICE COURT – MARY DOLAN, a pupil teacher at St. Mary’s Roman Catholic School, Barton-upon-Irwell, has been charged with assaulting a girl with a cane for a mistake in her diction lesson. The manager wrote to say that the pupil teachers were not authorised to punish the children, and SIR JOHN ILES MANTELL, who heard the case, said they were not empowered to beat children under their care, and fined the defendant 1s. ___________________________________________________________ THE BROUGHTON COPPER COMPANY have brought an action at the Liverpool Assizes, against their secretary, MR. FREEMAN, for an alleged breach of faith in trading on his own account, he having engaged to devote his whole time to the interests of the company. One of the charges brought against him was that he had bought copper from the company iin one name, and resold it to them in another. The jury gave a verdict for the plaintiffs – damage £300. ___________________________________________________________ barb, ontario, canada.

AT THE LIVERPOOL ASSIZES the case of CLAREMONT v. VERNON has been heard. The plaintiff was MISS NELLIE CLAREMONT, of the Prince of Wales Theatre, Liverpool, and the defendant was a CAPTAIN VERNON. The counsel consulted together before the case was heard, and announced that they had agreed to a settlement. It was understood that the plaintiff received £230. ______________________________ BRUTAL OUTRAGE ON A MOTHER. – JOHN SEDDON, a young man, has been charged at the City Police-court, Manchester, with kicking his mother to death. It apears that the prisoner had been drinking heavily, and that his mother on going home from her work at the mill, found him standing in an entry. She endeavoured to get him home, when he set upon her, knocked her head against the wall, and kicked her in a savage manner. The poor woman fell down insensible, and died a few hours afterward. ______________________________ AT THE LIVERPOOL ASSIZES, an action has been brought by a builder, named CLEMENT FROST, to recover £339 from the Sun Fire Office. The plaintiff’s premises were burned in 1872, and subsequently he was arrested and tried on a charge of arson, but was acquitted. Therepon he brought an action against the company to recover the amount, but was unsuited. The present action was one in which he also sought to recover the amount of damage. For the defence it was alleged that the plaintiff had committed arson, and that his claim was, besides, grossly exaggerated and falsified. The jury returned a verdict for the defendants. _______________________________ IT IS STATED IN LIVERPOOL that the Liverpool Gas Company will be held responsible by the Mersey Dock Board for the recent destruction of the new landing-stage by fire. _______________________________ barb, ontario, canada.

Thank you Nivard for such a quick response and just what I hoped for. Your information now shows us that she actually could have been around the age of 12 in 1792.... As you say, proof by purchase of the MC, may not help at all, but there may be a clue to be had. Yes I saw Pallots comment....keeping a very open mind on this lady's surname. Many thanks again..... Robyn -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington via Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2015 5:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAN] MIN. AGE for MARRIAGE 1792 Hi Robyn Legal age for marriage at the time was 12 for a female and 14 for a male However it was a very rare occurrence in England Your marriage was at St Giles Cambridge so I would seek out the marriage itself Witnesses are very often not connected however so it may not tell you a lot but its necessary to check it just in case The marriage was by banns, Pallots states Eliz'th BIGGE (BIGGS in banns) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/09/2015 06:34, Robyn Clarke via wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Please excuse this enquiry on Lancsgen, this is still part of my > current Lancs. family enquiries and I know I shall get some valuable help here. > > I have a Marriage which occurred in St. Giles Cambridge UK, 23 > December 1792. Numerous Index only found, no original copy to show Witnesses. > > The Wife, Elizabeth Gray nee Bigge, wife of Daniel Gray, became a > Convict and was transported to Sydney N.S.W. in 1807 on the Sydney Cove. > > We are trying to identify her by age and have found conflicting evidence. > > However my question to those with more knowledge than myself.. > > Could she have been 12 yrs. At the time of her Marriage?? > > Unfortunately most convicts' ages at conviction were not given, > however we know who she was, as it states in some records wife of > Daniel Gray, but still no age given and she was convicted with her > Sister in Law, Ann Single nee Gray. (We do have the FH for the Gray > family, but not the BIGGE family). > > At time of Release in 1813 (Ancestry etc.) no age given, however a > "new copy" of release papers (Ancestry) issued in 1825 stated she was 45 yrs. > Born Gibraltar and 1828 NSW Census 50 yrs. A free citizen with "new husband" > also aged 50 yrs. > > Even if she exaggerated her age a little for her Marriage in 1792, > thereafter having 3 children prior to Conviction, how can we > positively identify her through her age. > > Thank you for reading this.. > > Cheers, > Robyn > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at > [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hello Everyone, Please excuse this enquiry on Lancsgen, this is still part of my current Lancs. family enquiries and I know I shall get some valuable help here. I have a Marriage which occurred in St. Giles Cambridge UK, 23 December 1792.  Numerous Index only found, no original copy to show Witnesses. The Wife, Elizabeth Gray  nee Bigge, wife of Daniel Gray, became a Convict and was transported to Sydney N.S.W. in 1807 on the Sydney Cove. We are trying to identify her by age and have found conflicting evidence. However my question to those with more knowledge than myself…… Could she have been 12 yrs. At the time of her Marriage??  Unfortunately most convicts’ ages at conviction were not given, however we know who she was, as it states in some records wife of Daniel Gray, but still no age given and she was convicted with her Sister in Law, Ann Single nee Gray.  (We do have the FH for the Gray family, but not the BIGGE family). At time of Release in 1813 (Ancestry etc.) no age given, however a “new copy” of release papers (Ancestry) issued in 1825 stated she was 45 yrs. Born Gibraltar and 1828 NSW Census 50 yrs. A free citizen with “new husband” also aged 50 yrs. Even if she exaggerated her age a little for her Marriage in 1792, thereafter having 3 children prior to Conviction, how can we positively identify her through her age. Thank you for reading this…… Cheers, Robyn --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi again I would only say again, marriage at 12 was *very* rare You won't get a marriage certificate, you need a copy of the parish register and BT (preferably both) and the banns if they survive Personally I would not be accepting the legal age as being proof it was the same girl unless there was more proof of it Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/09/2015 09:04, Robyn Clarke wrote: > Thank you Nivard for such a quick response and just what I hoped for. Your > information now shows us that she actually could have been around the age of > 12 in 1792.... > As you say, proof by purchase of the MC, may not help at all, but there may > be a clue to be had. Yes I saw Pallots comment....keeping a very open mind > on this lady's surname. > > Many thanks again..... > > Robyn

Hi Robyn Legal age for marriage at the time was 12 for a female and 14 for a male However it was a very rare occurrence in England Your marriage was at St Giles Cambridge so I would seek out the marriage itself Witnesses are very often not connected however so it may not tell you a lot but its necessary to check it just in case The marriage was by banns, Pallots states Eliz'th BIGGE (BIGGS in banns) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/09/2015 06:34, Robyn Clarke via wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Please excuse this enquiry on Lancsgen, this is still part of my current > Lancs. family enquiries and I know I shall get some valuable help here. > > I have a Marriage which occurred in St. Giles Cambridge UK, 23 December > 1792. Numerous Index only found, no original copy to show Witnesses. > > The Wife, Elizabeth Gray nee Bigge, wife of Daniel Gray, became a Convict > and was transported to Sydney N.S.W. in 1807 on the Sydney Cove. > > We are trying to identify her by age and have found conflicting evidence. > > However my question to those with more knowledge than myself…… > > Could she have been 12 yrs. At the time of her Marriage?? > > Unfortunately most convicts’ ages at conviction were not given, however we > know who she was, as it states in some records wife of Daniel Gray, but > still no age given and she was convicted with her Sister in Law, Ann Single > nee Gray. (We do have the FH for the Gray family, but not the BIGGE > family). > > At time of Release in 1813 (Ancestry etc.) no age given, however a “new > copy” of release papers (Ancestry) issued in 1825 stated she was 45 yrs. > Born Gibraltar and 1828 NSW Census 50 yrs. A free citizen with “new husband” > also aged 50 yrs. > > Even if she exaggerated her age a little for her Marriage in 1792, > thereafter having 3 children prior to Conviction, how can we positively > identify her through her age. > > Thank you for reading this…… > > Cheers, > Robyn > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I have managed to subscribe to Roots Ireland for my Liverpool Irish relatives. Could someone please tell me off list, how can I check RootsIreland to see how many credits I have left. Thanks again to June & Anne who helped me break my brick wall. Thanks to Lynne for giving us the push to keep searching. Joan Ottawa

Hello all It's so lovely to see all of the activity on the list! So much more than what has been happening on the boards. Let's keep it going! In case there's mention of one of your ancestors or area of interest, here are the most recent posts on the Lancashire board: . . . . Rawcliffe Hall, Little Eccleston Hall and the FFRANCE family . . . . TAYLFORTH / WILSON Liverpool . . . . Sir James HARGREAVES B.1720, d.1778, inventor of the spinning jenny . . . . Westby Walker . . . . Scowcroft in Tottington...is there a link to the former U.S.National Security Advisor, Brent Scowcroft? . . . . Obit for Joseph Dewhurst (Bolton) . . . . John Peet born abt 1834, Hesketh Banks, Lancashire England . . . . ROWLEY - Robert Ernest. The messages can be viewed at http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/mb.ashx or http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/mb.ashx Kind regards, Lynne list admin.

Elaine, This is about the first Edward.1. An Edward Bleazard, Husbandman of Holleth, married an Agness Saunders of Ellel on 2 Jun 1800 in Cockerham. (Lancs On Line Parish Clerks site - also Lancashire Parish Marriages on Ancestry). 2. By the time they started a family they were living at Wray and had at least the following children - baptised either at Hornby Chapel or at MellingEdward 1803, Hannah 1805, Mary 1808, John 1811, Agnes 1813, Jennet 1815, James 1817, William 1823. Throughout - Edward is described as a Husbandman - but latterly as a Labourer. 3. An Agnes Bleazard of Wray died in 1825 - age at death gives her a birth year of approx 1785. 4. An Edward Bleazard aged 60 (rounded down) is in Caton Workhouse on 1841 census, described as an Ag Lab. Probably dies aged 63 at Caton in 1842. Hence birth year approx 1779. Check these out to see what you think. All the locations mentioned in the records are rural districts fairly close both to each other and to the major town of Lancaster. On 'a balance of probability' it is your Edward (senior) - but when we get back to Parish records we cannot always be sure? I will look at Edward (junior) separately. Regards June I have an Edward baptised in 1803 to an Edward and Agnes in Melling near Hornby. (If I have the correct Edward) The 1803 Edward was married to Jane and father to Christiana (bap Lancaster)  who married James Topping. Could anyone help me with who Jane was...I found one on the Mormon site but it was a bit of a distance away. Is the Edward baptised in Melling actually the father of Christiana? Who was Agnes married to the first Edward? Where was the first Edward from? Thank you for any help.  I will be away for a couple of weeks so do not expect a response from me until Canadian Thanksgiving weekend. Elaine

Hi, I have an Edward baptised in 1803 to an Edward and Agnes in Melling near Hornby. (If I have the correct Edward) The 1803 Edward was married to Jane and father to Christiana (bap Lancaster)  who married James Topping. Could anyone help me with who Jane was...I found one on the Mormon site but it was a bit of a distance away. Is the Edward baptised in Melling actually the father of Christiana? Who was Agnes married to the first Edward? Where was the first Edward from? Thank you for any help.  I will be away for a couple of weeks so do not expect a response from me until Canadian Thanksgiving weekend. Elaine

Hi All I was fascinated to read about this list in the FFHS Ezine. In case you don’t know about it, here’s the link The Soldier in Medieval England Database <http://www.medievalsoldier.org/search.php> When I searched, several of my Lancashire family surnames came up, though of course, that doesn’t mean they are exactly family. However, none of my Devon names seem to be on the list, which I found odd. Which got me thinking about where the majority of people came from. The ‘troops’ mustered on the South coast I think, but what geographic regions were people from. Does anyone out there know anything? I can’t see anything on the website. Thanks Jane Devon