Welcome back, Sarah! I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. Kindest regards, Lynne Sarah Reveley wrote: > >Thanks Lynne! Howdy y'all, I've rejoined after many moons to see if I can find more about my Reveleys. <snip>

Thanks Lynne! Howdy y'all, I've rejoined after many moons to see if I can find more about my Reveleys. In 1832, Lieutenant George Reveley of Westmoreland married Charlotte Allonby, of Thorneythwaite, near Cartmel , Lancashire. Charlotte's father was the Vicar. George's nephew Samuel John Reveley lived in Cartmel with his family and was buried in Cartmel Priory. He was a solicitor. The Reveleys lived in Cartmel, and had five children in the 1860s. Ulverston, Lower Allithwaite, Barn Garth, Preston, Manchester, and Bury are towns mentioned in other census for the children. Any in-laws out there? Sarah Reveley San Antonio, Texas

Hello everyone Here are the most recent posts on the Lancashire message board. Perhaps there's a thread or two that will interest you: . . . . The Langho (epilepsy) Colony, Ribble Valley . . . . Patrick BRIDES / McBRIDE on 1901 census, and date of death . . . . Edmund ASHWORTH mother . . . . DODD family Liverpool . . . . searching Irlam and Barton area: BIRCHALL . . . . All Liverpool, England, Catholic Marriages, 1754-1921 . . . . Jane NICHOLSON m James Henry ARCHER . . . . William McINTYRE grave location 13 Sept 1892... Bolton? . . . . families of Oldham and Liverpool . . . . Southport Newspaper records of Richard BALL death 28NOV1880 . . . . FOSTER - 1901 - Liverpool Area? . . . . John William WALKER "actor" . . . . Stonyhurst Hall (now Stonyhurst College) . . . . Robert MORRIS and Phoebe Unknown Bolton 1830's . . . . JOLLEYS - Lancashire . . . . BRIERCLIFFE Family of Rochdale Lancashire . . . . Please help me find my family Roots in BOLTON , England! . . . . Manchester Schools 1930's . . . . John Frithiof LUNDSTROM . . . . Rev. John BENNETT, Curate of St Mary's . . . . SMITH family of Burnley Parish . . . . Parents of Ann TONGE b. 1680 in Bolton, Lancashire...James or Jacobi??? . . . . Photographer: American Studios of Bold Street, Liverpool . . . . Trying to find a cemetery - burial of Joseph HYDE 1847 Little . . . . Are these her parents? - Jane SMITH . . . . Cambridge House School, Seaforth-with-Waterloo, near Liverpool . . . . BRADSHAW's of Lancashire . . . . RIMMER, Lancashire, England . . . . Wellington Street, Pendleton? . . . . Is the a Hawsew Lancashire . . . . BENSONS from Manchester, U.K. The messages can be viewed at http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/mb.ashx or http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/mb.ashx Kind regards, Lynne list admin.

Dear John, I will look at that tomorrow:) Best Wishes, Penny On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 11:32 PM, John Hanson via <[email protected]> wrote: > I was recently contacted by Henry ARTHUR's great, great granddaughter in > the > hope that I might be able to assist her. > > Part of the email said ", my great grandmothers name is Leah Arthur (chart > 3 > on your website) I have spent many months looking for some information on > her daughter Martha Emma Arthur born 1900. I have traced her up until early > 1920's where she had a daughter ( Dorothy Arthur) and went to prison, I > have > found her daughters family but the trail stops there." > > Now I don't normally chase after the Halstead's women that marry out of the > name but this one I found interesting. It also fits into one of the aims of > the Halsted Trust which is to educate people on family history research. > > I have written about Henry Arthur in the latest blog post at > http://halsteadons.blogspot.co.uk/ > > Henry was one of those that never left a will but the newspaper report made > up for it in many ways. It shows that you should never ignore newspapers > even if you don't think that there will be anything. It turns out in this > case that Henry was the oldest person in Worsthorne at the time and his > funeral was reported in full complete with the list of mourners. > > The interesting thing with this is that there is no mention in the list of > mourners of Martha or Dorothy - so what had happened to them? I can find no > mention of > > It mentions a connection to the founder of the Halsted Sunday (another blog > post there) and that could possibly have been via his wife Susan ROBERTS - > but I an still investigating the ARTHUR name just in case. But there was > also a mention in the report on the funeral of " the Rochester Charity, > payable in Worsthorne and Burnley" can anyone enlighten me on what it was. > > Regards > John Hanson > Researcher, The Halsted Trust > Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk > > > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I was recently contacted by Henry ARTHUR's great, great granddaughter in the hope that I might be able to assist her. Part of the email said ", my great grandmothers name is Leah Arthur (chart 3 on your website) I have spent many months looking for some information on her daughter Martha Emma Arthur born 1900. I have traced her up until early 1920's where she had a daughter ( Dorothy Arthur) and went to prison, I have found her daughters family but the trail stops there." Now I don't normally chase after the Halstead's women that marry out of the name but this one I found interesting. It also fits into one of the aims of the Halsted Trust which is to educate people on family history research. I have written about Henry Arthur in the latest blog post at http://halsteadons.blogspot.co.uk/ Henry was one of those that never left a will but the newspaper report made up for it in many ways. It shows that you should never ignore newspapers even if you don't think that there will be anything. It turns out in this case that Henry was the oldest person in Worsthorne at the time and his funeral was reported in full complete with the list of mourners. The interesting thing with this is that there is no mention in the list of mourners of Martha or Dorothy - so what had happened to them? I can find no mention of It mentions a connection to the founder of the Halsted Sunday (another blog post there) and that could possibly have been via his wife Susan ROBERTS - but I an still investigating the ARTHUR name just in case. But there was also a mention in the report on the funeral of " the Rochester Charity, payable in Worsthorne and Burnley" can anyone enlighten me on what it was. Regards John Hanson Researcher, The Halsted Trust Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk

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Thanks for the helpful advice on searching for my grandmother in Garden Street I have now established that there is a missing item number for the major part of Garden Street Accrington The missing item number is 4681a/ 022 covering house numbers 6 to 38. A search for this item number gives zero returns so I am trying to get the online support team at findmypast to sort it out. Regards Robin For information hovering over the preview button on the street search results shows the piece and item number I can see that 4681a/021 is the item number which includes the households at No 42 and 44 and that 4681a/023 is the item number which included the household at No 40 and 42 Garden Street.

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Hello Nivard On a different subject. I am no sure what it means when I look at an household Unlocked Named person Locked 2 more names 2 more names who are officially closed How many people are there in the household? Regards Peter On 6 November 2015, at 09:36, Nivard Ovington via <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Carole My first thought would be, are you sure the person in 1891 is actually the same person who was a wheelwright in earlier census? A wheelwright was an established trade with a long apprenticeship, I have wheelwrights and all continued their trade all their lives But peoples circumstances vary enormously, health being one factor Due to industrialisation there was certainly a downturn in local wheelwrights in the latter decades of the 1800's so that could also be a factor But without further investigation its just guesswork as to why your man changed horses midstream (so to speak) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 05/11/2015 14:51, Carole Edwards Caruso via wrote: > Hi - I am writing up an ancestor who was a wheelwright from about 1861 > to before 1891. The 1891 census shows a change of profession from > wheelwright to grocer. > > I am wondering why the change. Could it be because wheels went from > being made of wood to being made of iron? > > Just wondering because it seems like such a extreme change of profession > in middle life. > > Thanks for any thoughts. > > Carole :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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The poor chap may have suffered a work place injury to one of his hands. Not being able to do his trade he took over a shop. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ________________________________ From: Nivard Ovington via <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:31 AM Subject: Re: [LAN] Wheelwrights Hi Carole My first thought would be, are you sure the person in 1891 is actually the same person who was a wheelwright in earlier census? A wheelwright was an established trade with a long apprenticeship, I have wheelwrights and all continued their trade all their lives <snip>

Carole Have you checked the address of the wheelwrights in the 1891 census to see if someone else took over - was it one of the children. You could also check trade directories between the 1881 and 1891 to see if it is recorded there. Have you checked the local papers as well between the census dates Regards John Hanson Researcher, The Halsted Trust Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carole Edwards Caruso via Sent: 05 November 2015 14:51 To: [email protected] Subject: [LAN] Wheelwrights Hi - I am writing up an ancestor who was a wheelwright from about 1861 to before 1891. The 1891 census shows a change of profession from wheelwright to grocer. I am wondering why the change. Could it be because wheels went from being made of wood to being made of iron? Just wondering because it seems like such a extreme change of profession in middle life. Thanks for any thoughts. Carole :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carole, Is it possible that the grocers business belonged to a family member who died/retired - giving him the opportunity to take over? Also, as Ruth says, being a wheelwright might become too strenuous as you get older. Neil -- Neil Houghton Albany Western Australia on 6/11/15 0:34, [email protected] at [email protected] wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:51:19 -0500 > From: Carole Edwards Caruso <[email protected]> > Subject: [LAN] Wheelwrights > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Hi - I am writing up an ancestor who was a wheelwright from about 1861 > to before 1891. The 1891 census shows a change of profession from > wheelwright to grocer. > > I am wondering why the change. Could it be because wheels went from > being made of wood to being made of iron? > > Just wondering because it seems like such a extreme change of profession > in middle life. > > Thanks for any thoughts. > > Carole > >

Hi Carole My first thought would be, are you sure the person in 1891 is actually the same person who was a wheelwright in earlier census? A wheelwright was an established trade with a long apprenticeship, I have wheelwrights and all continued their trade all their lives But peoples circumstances vary enormously, health being one factor Due to industrialisation there was certainly a downturn in local wheelwrights in the latter decades of the 1800's so that could also be a factor But without further investigation its just guesswork as to why your man changed horses midstream (so to speak) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 05/11/2015 14:51, Carole Edwards Caruso via wrote: > Hi - I am writing up an ancestor who was a wheelwright from about 1861 > to before 1891. The 1891 census shows a change of profession from > wheelwright to grocer. > > I am wondering why the change. Could it be because wheels went from > being made of wood to being made of iron? > > Just wondering because it seems like such a extreme change of profession > in middle life. > > Thanks for any thoughts. > > Carole

Thanks to all who answered by query about wheelwrights. They were insightful. Gave me much to think about. Carole

Robin I too found that the address I was looking for did not appear - some the even numbers did, but not the odd. When I found the entry the number and street were clear but presumably not indexed. My guess is that there must eb a number of omissions. Unfortunately the surname was not indexed either. A couple of things that worked for me: 1. I searched using forename and exact birth date and found my grandfather entered as Willie ~??? 2. Once you find one person it is possible to search on the piece and item number. This gives you a list of all those on that schedule. The piece/ite, number search may be worth trying if you look at another house number on Garden Street. I suppose if this fails you might need to think about how sure you are that this was the address? Good luck Malcolm On 5 November 2015 at 13:56, [email protected] via < [email protected]> wrote: > > Mt grandmother Elizabeth KING (born 1976) should be at 32 Garden Street > Accrington in 1939. > But > She does not appear to be indexed nor does No32 Garden Street appear in an > address search. > > Any suggestions about the missing numbers in Garden Street? > > BTW Grandma was a widow my father had moved away to Slough and is indexed > there, elder brother is in the Navy and thus not in the register and > younger > brother was born in 1917 so no other family member to search with. > > Frustrating as my other grandma and family have shown up in the index with > revelation that two uncles had moved away from Lancs. > > > Robin > > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Perhaps he had to work for years to save up enough money to buy a store.  I had ancestors who were coal miners until they saved enough to buy a store.     > Hi - I am writing up an ancestor who was a wheelwright from about 1861 > to before 1891. The 1891 census shows a change of profession from > wheelwright to grocer. > > I am wondering why the change. Could it be because wheels went from > being made of wood to being made of iron? > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hm - in that case, there *should* be no barrier to her appearing. She's over 100y old, which is sufficient to release the record. And she is presumably recorded as being dead - which we believe is done by putting a D on her line on the right hand page - which appears to be permanently redacted for everyone. Either should release her record. This assumes that the age etc was correct in the first place! If you can't find anyone in that street then it would suggest lost pages. On the other hand it could also be that the enumerator wrote the street name down wrongly. Difficult to tell unless you have free access to all the data. On 5 Nov 2015 18:40, "[email protected] via" <[email protected]> wrote: > Adrian > Thanks for spotting the typo > yes 1876 and she died in 1950. > > John > She was definitely at Garden Street in period before and after the war. > Yes it is always possible she was with one of her aunts - but they were in > Lancashire and she does not show up in a county search. > > > Robin > > > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Already done Adrian. Thanks for checking Ruth Sent from my iPad > On 5 Nov 2015, at 17:57, Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> wrote: > > That's Ancestry's general picture for "Ooops we can't find what we > want, but in the meantime here's a nice picture for you". The 1857-58 > register is OK, the 1858, 1858-59 registers are missing, the 1859 is > there. Suggest you report a missing image (or two). > > Adrian > > >> On 5 November 2015 at 16:08, Ruth via <[email protected]> wrote: >> I tried to access the marriages at the Cathedral for 1858 and 1858/59 >> just now, and something seems to have gone seriously wrong - there are >> no images of the registers, only a compilation of various records from >> many countries. >>

Adrian Thanks for spotting the typo yes 1876 and she died in 1950. John She was definitely at Garden Street in period before and after the war. Yes it is always possible she was with one of her aunts - but they were in Lancashire and she does not show up in a county search. Robin