Can anyone help me please. I know from Lancashire BMD that Martha Annie Shaw married Frederick SCHOLES at St Silas in 1917. The church seems to have been built in Victorian times but it does not appear to have been listed in Lancashire OPC nor is it in the list of church on Ancestry's Lancashire Collection. Was it known as something else? Regards John Hanson Researcher, The Halsted Trust Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk

Relationship to the deceased was only standardised in 1874 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27/11/2015 07:54, Julie Dalton via wrote: > All you would have is the name of the person who registered the death and > their relationship to the deceased. > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Someone beat me to it with Barbara Dixons page One thing not mentioned so far is the father might be recorded if the death was for an infant But our death certs are sparse in useful detail and that detail on them is only as good as the personal knowledge or honesty of the informant Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27/11/2015 07:48, bjohnson3 via wrote: > Hello to all on he list , > if i purchased an ancestors death certificate 1851 > ( Burnley ) would i be lucky enough to have the deceased fathers name > on the certificate please ?? > > Brian --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Julie At that time (1851) relationship was not included - they simply say "present at the death" - relationship doesn't become standard until the 1874 Act. The GRO website has the following visual guide http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/images/death%20Cert%20PDF.pdf It is also use to understand the changes to the law in relation to registration in the UK and there have been many - the best website is Guy Etchells list and details of all the Acts of Parliament at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~framland/acts/actind.htm Regards John Hanson Researcher, The Halsted Trust Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Julie Dalton via Sent: 27 November 2015 07:55 To: [email protected]; lancsgen Subject: Re: [LAN] Deatails on death certificate 1851 All you would have is the name of the person who registered the death and their relationship to the deceased. On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 7:48 AM, bjohnson3 via <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello to all on he list , > if i purchased an ancestors death certificate 1851 ( > Burnley ) would i be lucky enough to have the deceased fathers name on > the certificate please ?? > > Brian > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at > [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Brian The best place to find out what is on a Birth/Marriage/Death Certificate in the UK is:- http://www.dixons.clara.co.uk/Certificates/indexbd.htm Bernard. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of bjohnson3 via Sent: 27 November 2015 07:48 To: [email protected] Subject: [LAN] Deatails on death certificate 1851 .... if I purchased an ancestors death certificate 1851 ( Burnley ) would I be lucky enough to have the deceased fathers name on the certificate please ?? Brian

And the name of the person who was present at the death. On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 07:54:58 +0000, Julie Dalton via <[email protected]> wrote: > All you would have is the name of the person who registered the death and > their relationship to the deceased. > > On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 7:48 AM, bjohnson3 via <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hello to all on he list , > > if i purchased an ancestors death certificate 1851 > > ( Burnley ) would i be lucky enough to have the deceased fathers name > > on the certificate please ?? > > > > Brian

All you would have is the name of the person who registered the death and their relationship to the deceased. On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 7:48 AM, bjohnson3 via <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello to all on he list , > if i purchased an ancestors death certificate 1851 > ( Burnley ) would i be lucky enough to have the deceased fathers name > on the certificate please ?? > > Brian > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Evrybod Peeps! I've come across another stumbling block in a descendancy chart I am compiling, now reaching 1300 and covering lancs families such as Booths of Liverpool, Lamports, Gaskells and many other Unitarian families, of whom the lynch pin is the Noble family of Lancaster. Henrietta Dorothy Noble, of Lancaster, 1796-1881, daughter of James Noble and dorothea Parke, married 1828, James Stockdale Harrison, an energetic surgeon of Lancaster who seems to have been quite a personage in those days. One of his students was the future Sir Richard Owen. I have discovered this couple had several children: Charlotte, Henry, William and James, but cannot find any indices for any of these marrying or having children. Can anyone help? Peter

Hi There is a book about the reformatory http://www.lancaster.ac.uk/users/rhc/minibook/juvenile_offenders.htm Regards Elaine On 22 November 2015 at 18:07, Jim Lancaster via <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, Ella, > > Welcome to this list. > > For some information and photos of this establishment, have a look at > http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/BleasdaleRfy/ > > This site suggests that there are some records in Lancashire Archives in > Preston (not just round the corner for you, I realise). > > When this home was established, the consensus was that for children in > trouble it was best that they were removed from their surroundings so that > they were not encouraged to re-offend by the company they kept. > > Hope this helps > > Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ella Coleman-Artz via > Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 5:02 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [LAN] North Lancashire Reformatory for Boys, Bleasdale,near > Garstang, Lancashire > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Ella, Welcome to this list. For some information and photos of this establishment, have a look at http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/BleasdaleRfy/ This site suggests that there are some records in Lancashire Archives in Preston (not just round the corner for you, I realise). When this home was established, the consensus was that for children in trouble it was best that they were removed from their surroundings so that they were not encouraged to re-offend by the company they kept. Hope this helps Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.) -----Original Message----- From: Ella Coleman-Artz via Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 5:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LAN] North Lancashire Reformatory for Boys, Bleasdale,near Garstang, Lancashire

Thank you so much Robyn and Christine for your super fast responses. It certainly looks like the couple I am after, which is great. I hadn't thought of searching for Ellen instead of Eleanor, though I should have. Now to go through and find them in the census' . I would have liked my friend to buy John Waltons birth certificate, but not being a genealogist, she cant see the point of sending the money. Thank you both again, and all the best in your research. Kind regards, Nsn Bailey On 22/11/2015 11:13 AM, "Robyn Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Nan, > Further information from the Original Marriage Cert., states Father, Henry > Walton was a Tailor and Robert Fitzhugh was a Bookkeeper. Both parties > were > of full age and single, Thomas was a Warper. Both signed the Record with > an > X.......Witnesses were Ralph Whittaker (Xmark) and Thomas Gorse (appears on > more than one record) Minister William Marsden, Vicar. > > Cheers, > Robyn > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Nan Bailey via > Sent: Sunday, 22 November 2015 10:58 AM > To: Lancashire Discussion Group > Subject: [LAN] John Walton 1854 Salford, Thomas Walton c 1818 Manchester > and > Eleanor Fitzhugh > > I am researching this family for a friend and need to ascertain the correct > Eleanor as Johns mother. On Johns Queensland, Aust death certificate, > which > I have bought, it states his mothers name was Eleanor Fitzhugh. One of his > sons used Fitzhugh as a middle name. > > John Walton born 1854 in Salford Lancs was as far as I can see, the 6th > child of Thomas Walton and Eleanor. After much searching on Find My Past, > the only marrige for a Thomas Walton to an Eleanor in the right time frame > is to Eleanor Moses, on the 17 June 1841 at Walton on the Hill, Lancs. > > This was a transcript in FMP from Family Search England Marriages, 1538 - > 1973. Her father was named Robert Moses and Johns was Thomas Walton. I > found the GRO registration of that marriage. 1841 Q2, Vol 20, P 683, West > Derby, Lancs. > > I had wondered if Eleanor Moses was previously married and her maiden name > was Fitzhugh, but found a baptism for her as Eleanor Moses on 20 Jan 1820 > at > Brampton, Cumberland, England. Her parents were Robert Moses and Ann. > > Thomas 35 and Eleanor 33 in the 1851 census, were at Cow Lane, Salford with > children Jane 8, Robert 3 and Thomas 6 months. In 1861 they wee at 7 > Nangrew > ? street Salford, with Jane, Elizabeth, Robert, Thomas, James, John 7, > Mary, > Maria and Henry. All the family were matked as born in Salford. > > I am hoping someone on the list might have these people in their tree, or > perhaps give me some clues on finding Eleanor Fitzhugh. > > Thanks, Nan Bailey > Ningi, Qld, Australia > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >

Anyone else out there related to James Brearley/Brierley of Wardle, Rochdale & Betty Hoyle of Green who married 21 Oct 1833 at St Chad's, Rochdale? Neither named their fathers as both were of age. James was born about 1801 & Betty about 1814. They had chn: Sarah b c1830 Rochdale Mary b 1832 Rochdale, d 1851 Rochdale Thomas chr 12 Feb 1834 Rochdale (my husband's 2xgt-grandfather) Edmund b c1847 Rochdale Alice b c1850 Rochdale Margaret b c1856 Rochdale Samuel b c1860 Rochdale Hoping other descendants are looking. Denyse in Queensland

Hi Nan, Further information from the Original Marriage Cert., states Father, Henry Walton was a Tailor and Robert Fitzhugh was a Bookkeeper. Both parties were of full age and single, Thomas was a Warper. Both signed the Record with an X.......Witnesses were Ralph Whittaker (Xmark) and Thomas Gorse (appears on more than one record) Minister William Marsden, Vicar. Cheers, Robyn -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nan Bailey via Sent: Sunday, 22 November 2015 10:58 AM To: Lancashire Discussion Group Subject: [LAN] John Walton 1854 Salford, Thomas Walton c 1818 Manchester and Eleanor Fitzhugh I am researching this family for a friend and need to ascertain the correct Eleanor as Johns mother. On Johns Queensland, Aust death certificate, which I have bought, it states his mothers name was Eleanor Fitzhugh. One of his sons used Fitzhugh as a middle name. John Walton born 1854 in Salford Lancs was as far as I can see, the 6th child of Thomas Walton and Eleanor. After much searching on Find My Past, the only marrige for a Thomas Walton to an Eleanor in the right time frame is to Eleanor Moses, on the 17 June 1841 at Walton on the Hill, Lancs. This was a transcript in FMP from Family Search England Marriages, 1538 - 1973. Her father was named Robert Moses and Johns was Thomas Walton. I found the GRO registration of that marriage. 1841 Q2, Vol 20, P 683, West Derby, Lancs. I had wondered if Eleanor Moses was previously married and her maiden name was Fitzhugh, but found a baptism for her as Eleanor Moses on 20 Jan 1820 at Brampton, Cumberland, England. Her parents were Robert Moses and Ann. Thomas 35 and Eleanor 33 in the 1851 census, were at Cow Lane, Salford with children Jane 8, Robert 3 and Thomas 6 months. In 1861 they wee at 7 Nangrew ? street Salford, with Jane, Elizabeth, Robert, Thomas, James, John 7, Mary, Maria and Henry. All the family were matked as born in Salford. I am hoping someone on the list might have these people in their tree, or perhaps give me some clues on finding Eleanor Fitzhugh. Thanks, Nan Bailey Ningi, Qld, Australia :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Nan, Here is what you're after I think: Good luck, Cheers, Robyn Name: Ellen Fitzhugh Age: Of Full Age Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1842 Parish: Eccles, St Mary Parish as it Appears: Eccles Father's name: Robert Fitzhugh Spouse's Name: Thomas Walton Spouse's Father's Name: Henry Walton Reference Number: L49/1/6/20 Item Number: 5 Archive Roll: 530 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nan Bailey via Sent: Sunday, 22 November 2015 10:58 AM To: Lancashire Discussion Group Subject: [LAN] John Walton 1854 Salford, Thomas Walton c 1818 Manchester and Eleanor Fitzhugh I am researching this family for a friend and need to ascertain the correct Eleanor as Johns mother. On Johns Queensland, Aust death certificate, which I have bought, it states his mothers name was Eleanor Fitzhugh. One of his sons used Fitzhugh as a middle name. John Walton born 1854 in Salford Lancs was as far as I can see, the 6th child of Thomas Walton and Eleanor. After much searching on Find My Past, the only marrige for a Thomas Walton to an Eleanor in the right time frame is to Eleanor Moses, on the 17 June 1841 at Walton on the Hill, Lancs. This was a transcript in FMP from Family Search England Marriages, 1538 - 1973. Her father was named Robert Moses and Johns was Thomas Walton. I found the GRO registration of that marriage. 1841 Q2, Vol 20, P 683, West Derby, Lancs. I had wondered if Eleanor Moses was previously married and her maiden name was Fitzhugh, but found a baptism for her as Eleanor Moses on 20 Jan 1820 at Brampton, Cumberland, England. Her parents were Robert Moses and Ann. Thomas 35 and Eleanor 33 in the 1851 census, were at Cow Lane, Salford with children Jane 8, Robert 3 and Thomas 6 months. In 1861 they wee at 7 Nangrew ? street Salford, with Jane, Elizabeth, Robert, Thomas, James, John 7, Mary, Maria and Henry. All the family were matked as born in Salford. I am hoping someone on the list might have these people in their tree, or perhaps give me some clues on finding Eleanor Fitzhugh. Thanks, Nan Bailey Ningi, Qld, Australia :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hello! My name is Ella and I live in the state of Pennsylvania in the USA. The names that I research in the Lancashire area are COLEMAN and EAVES mainly and other names connected to those. At the moment, I'm hoping that anyone out there can tell me if I can find records online that might show whether or not my great grandfather James COLEMAN was in the North Lancashire Reformatory for Boys, Bleasdale, near Garstang, Lancashire. Other boys that might have been there around the same time were James Ewer and Peter Wills. According to family lore my great grandfather and a few other boys were taken from an orphanage to work as laborers. I did find him in Barnacre With Bonds living with the aforementioned boys and they were living with Richard and Mary HOWARTH in the 1901 census. There he would have met a HOWARTH relative named Fanny HARLING, daughter of Annie EAVES and step daughter of John HARLING, whom he married in 1906. She was my great grandmother. If anyone has any information to share I would certainly love to hear from you! Thank you in advance

Hi Dianna, I found a family in Priest Hutton, Lancashire 1851 which includes Samuel Dowker married, Head, 61 yrs., Ag. Labourer, from Batham, Westmorland with wife Jane (61) born Warton, Lancs., children Dorothy 17 -House servant, Jane 12 and Ann 8 yrs. The latter two children born in Borwick, Lancashire. I also found a Samuel Dowker born about 1829 Beetham, Westmorland also living in Priest Hutton in 1861, married with children, Ag. Lab. and son of Samuel and Jane I believe. Thereafter 1861: Samuel Dowker Sr. Head, aged 71 yrs. Farm Lab., wife Jane 61? Yrs., born Lancashire and Jane E. Dowker Granddaughter, a few months born Caton, Lancashire. Still hunting for Deaths - Robyn -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of dianna charles via Sent: Sunday, 22 November 2015 10:52 AM To: dianna charles via Subject: [LAN] James DOWKER and family Hi Everyone I am researching the DOWKER family. James DOWKER was born c 1823/24 in BEETHAM/BATHAM Westmoreland fathers name is Samuel and possibly mum is JANE? James Dowker came to Australia (Queensland) on board the Waroonga in 1887 aged 63. Also both his sons Samuel and James came here as well the same year with their families on the Chyebassa and Roma ships. Both boys seem to be miners! James died in Queensland in 1900 and I’m hoping to find out anymore on his parents deaths/marriage births etc. Any help is very much appreciated. Kind regards Dianna from Sydney :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Everyone I am researching the DOWKER family. James DOWKER was born c 1823/24 in BEETHAM/BATHAM Westmoreland fathers name is Samuel and possibly mum is JANE? James Dowker came to Australia (Queensland) on board the Waroonga in 1887 aged 63. Also both his sons Samuel and James came here as well the same year with their families on the Chyebassa and Roma ships. Both boys seem to be miners! James died in Queensland in 1900 and I’m hoping to find out anymore on his parents deaths/marriage births etc. Any help is very much appreciated. Kind regards Dianna from Sydney

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I am researching this family for a friend and need to ascertain the correct Eleanor as Johns mother. On Johns Queensland, Aust death certificate, which I have bought, it states his mothers name was Eleanor Fitzhugh. One of his sons used Fitzhugh as a middle name. John Walton born 1854 in Salford Lancs was as far as I can see, the 6th child of Thomas Walton and Eleanor. After much searching on Find My Past, the only marrige for a Thomas Walton to an Eleanor in the right time frame is to Eleanor Moses, on the 17 June 1841 at Walton on the Hill, Lancs. This was a transcript in FMP from Family Search England Marriages, 1538 - 1973. Her father was named Robert Moses and Johns was Thomas Walton. I found the GRO registration of that marriage. 1841 Q2, Vol 20, P 683, West Derby, Lancs. I had wondered if Eleanor Moses was previously married and her maiden name was Fitzhugh, but found a baptism for her as Eleanor Moses on 20 Jan 1820 at Brampton, Cumberland, England. Her parents were Robert Moses and Ann. Thomas 35 and Eleanor 33 in the 1851 census, were at Cow Lane, Salford with children Jane 8, Robert 3 and Thomas 6 months. In 1861 they wee at 7 Nangrew ? street Salford, with Jane, Elizabeth, Robert, Thomas, James, John 7, Mary, Maria and Henry. All the family were matked as born in Salford. I am hoping someone on the list might have these people in their tree, or perhaps give me some clues on finding Eleanor Fitzhugh. Thanks, Nan Bailey Ningi, Qld, Australia

Please all Listers, read the following Accrington Observer article - the threat is real. http://www.accringtonobserver.co.uk/news/local-news/join-battle-save-librari es-axe-10465586 Thanking you, Robyn Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus