Hello Bob, I wasn't doubting your answer only the original transcription. have had an email from Elaine Ainsworth confirming that there was in deed an error and that he was Joseph. regards and once more thanks for your help Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Winder via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [LAN] Silvey Family > > Hi Mike, > > The reference I sent you was a straight lift from the Lancashire Online > Parish Clerk's website - http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ > > You can access that website yourself and confirm the detail. I have > never had any cause to doubt the accuracy of the information on the > website, but, as ever, you should check the original document where > possible. > > Cheers, > > Bob --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Scott, The Record society for Lancashire & Cheshire did four volumes covering the Lancashire Wills Proved at the Archdeaconry of Richmond - cover 1457 to 1812, there are some abstracts included. They are volumes 10, 13, 23 and 66; I have PDFs of all four volumes so all are available either at Archive.org, Familysearch/books, or elsewhere on the web; check with Worldcat.org for an 'e' source. The Surtees Society publications volume 26 also provides some early will transcripts. Hope this helps, regards, Phil

HI Nivard Yes everything there is correct. Elizabeth did marry William LOWE I think in 1852/3 in the Collegiate Church Manchester. John was listed as a poulterer and carrier as well. No I cannot find any evidence that John was alive after 1841. His last child Charlotte Britcliffe was born in 1833 and that is that. I cannot find anything positive on him after that. Whether he deserted the family, emigrated, died I just don't know. I have been gathering all the information on any John Briercliffe that I can over the last few years with variants on the spelling. death dec qtr 1854 Hannah Briercliffe Salford 8d 58 death sep qtr 1859 John Briercliffe Salford 8d 52. This death is Hannah's grandson. I think I have this death certificate. Thanks for your time. Kind regards Dianna -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington via Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 7:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAN] Workhouse/Poorhouse records Hi Dianna I see Hannah in 1841 with Elizabeth aged 7, Hannah is enumerated as aged 30 so could be 34 down to 30 if she told the truth or the person filling in the schedule entered it accurately Do I assume correctly that Elizabeth married William LOWE in 1850? She gives her age as 21 and her father as John BRIERCLIFFE a poulterer In 1851 Hannah gives herself as a widow aged 44 (page hard to read but looks like 44), living with William and Elizabeth Is there any evidence John was alive in 1841 or after? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/12/2015 19:48, dianna charles via wrote: > Hi List I’m trying to find out if there are any Workhouse or Poor > house records that can be searched for my ancestor John BRITCLIFFE > (aka BRIERCLIFFE) between 1833 and 1854. I still cannot find out > what happened to him and he does not seem to be on any Census records > in the Salford/Deansgate/Manchester area. His wife Hannah > BRIERCLIFFE (spelt BRICLIFFE on the 1841 census) was living in > Deansgate with her daughter Betty/Elizabeth. Any help finding John > Briercliffe very much appreciated. Kindest regards Dianna > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List I’m trying to find out if there are any Workhouse or Poor house records that can be searched for my ancestor John BRITCLIFFE (aka BRIERCLIFFE) between 1833 and 1854. I still cannot find out what happened to him and he does not seem to be on any Census records in the Salford/Deansgate/Manchester area. His wife Hannah BRIERCLIFFE (spelt BRICLIFFE on the 1841 census) was living in Deansgate with her daughter Betty/Elizabeth. Any help finding John Briercliffe very much appreciated. Kindest regards Dianna

Just wondering whether you found his Father's Probate and Will notice. John Benson notice dated 29 September 1870. Will with Codicil formerly of Derby Road Bootle near Liverpool in the Co. of Lancaster Stationer but late of Brook Road Bootle aforesaid deceased died 17 September 1870 at Brook Road aforesaid was proved at Liverpool by the oath of Lawrence James Benson of 46 Newstead Rd., Liverpool aforesaid Merchant's Clerk the son the sole Executor. Effects under 2,000. -----Original Message----- From: Christine Benson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 4 December 2015 2:00 AM To: Robyn Clarke; Lancashire Mailing List Subject: Re: [LAN] Fw: Anthony BENSON b 1840 Many thanks Robyn. His father was a stationer so this must be my man. And because the two articles must be about the same incident, so must the other one be mine. So I wonder why I can't find him in 1861 and 1871. Perhaps he didn't like censuses. Thanks again Christine --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Christine, Further news this time from the Liverpool Daily Post dated 30 March 1870 and on FMP. AN OMNIBUS ACCIDENT - BENSON v SMITH AND ANOTHER - Mr. R. G. Williams and Mr. T.H. James were for the plaintiff, ANTHONY BENSON; and Mr. Gully was for the defendant William SMITH. The Plaintiff who is a son of MR. BENSON, Stationer, of Castle Street, Liverpool, claimed compensation for personal injuries alleged to have been received through the negligence of the defendant.....etc. Further down the article it states Anthony held a situation at 80 pounds per annum, with prospects of advancement, in a ship broker's office and he had lost that position. His injuries were a broken leg and arm. If you don't have access to this Article I can transcribe it in full......but it could have been your ANTHONY BENSON I believe. Cheers, Robyn --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Christine I just found the newspaper article in full on FMP...... DAMAGES AGAINST A BUS PROPRIETOR - Manchester Evening News 30 March 1870. At the Liverpool assizes, yesterday, before Mr. Justice Willes and a common jury, ANTHONY BENSON, a young man in business in that town, sued the proprietor of an omnibus, running between Liverpool and Crosby, to recover compensation for injuries alleged to have been received through the negligence of the driver. In June last the plaintiff was going home on the top of the 'bus, and in passing a lorry, loaded with bales of cotton, the driver went so near that the plaintiff was caught by one of the bales and thrown down into the street, receiving such injuries that he was confined to his room for three months and was not able to attend to his business for six months afterwards. The negligence upon the part of the driver was denied. The jury, however, found for the plaintiff, to whom they awarded 75 pounds damages'. Hope this helps, Robyn --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi I'm the coordinator for the Liverpool area on the OPC site. I've just checked the image of the original register page and the father is definitely Joseph, so we have a transcription error. I'll arrange for it to be corrected. Regards Elaine On 3 December 2015 at 22:01, Bob Winder via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > The reference I sent you was a straight lift from the Lancashire Online > Parish Clerk's website - http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ > > You can access that website yourself and confirm the detail. I have > never had any cause to doubt the accuracy of the information on the > website, but, as ever, you should check the original document where > possible. > > Cheers, > > Bob > > On 03/12/2015 10:57, mike smith via wrote: > > Thanks to Penny,Ruth and Bob for your quick response. > > I now have two names for Charles father ! Bob has given John and Penny > has > > him as Joseph. Could this be as a result of a transcription error and if > so > > which one is correct? > > thanks again Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Christine, I found this entry as an Index, if you could access the copy it may give you a lead. Sorry, I couldn't find him elsewhere as a definite. Manchester Evening News Greater Manchester, England 30 Mar 1870 DAMAGES AGAINST A BUS PROPRIETOR DAMAGES AGAINST A BUS PROPRIETOR. At the Liverpool assizes, yesterday, before Mr. Justice Willes and a common jury, Anthony Benson, a young man in business in that town, sued the proprietor of an omnibus, running between Liverpool and Crosby, to recover.......................Genes Reunited. Good Luck, Robyn Hi All, Anthony BENSON was born 16 Nov 1840, Carlisle, son of John and Ann, baptized 22 Nov, living in Carlisle in 1841 but by 1851 the family had moved to Liverpool. Thereafter I can find no trace of him. Can anyone find any record of Anthony after 1851? Any help gratefully received Christine :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Mike, The reference I sent you was a straight lift from the Lancashire Online Parish Clerk's website - http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ You can access that website yourself and confirm the detail. I have never had any cause to doubt the accuracy of the information on the website, but, as ever, you should check the original document where possible. Cheers, Bob On 03/12/2015 10:57, mike smith via wrote: > Thanks to Penny,Ruth and Bob for your quick response. > I now have two names for Charles father ! Bob has given John and Penny has > him as Joseph. Could this be as a result of a transcription error and if so > which one is correct? > thanks again Mike > >

Dianna The best website is Peter Higginbottoms website at www.workhouses.org.uk Find the workhouse and it will tell you everything that you want to know Regards John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, www.halstedresearch.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of dianna charles via Sent: 03 December 2015 19:49 To: dianna charles via Subject: [LAN] Workhouse/Poorhouse records Hi List I’m trying to find out if there are any Workhouse or Poor house records that can be searched for my ancestor John BRITCLIFFE (aka BRIERCLIFFE) between 1833 and 1854. I still cannot find out what happened to him and he does not seem to be on any Census records in the Salford/Deansgate/Manchester area. His wife Hannah BRIERCLIFFE (spelt BRICLIFFE on the 1841 census) was living in Deansgate with her daughter Betty/Elizabeth. Any help finding John Briercliffe very much appreciated. Kindest regards Dianna :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not quite sure if I'm answering the question you're asking, as you say "Archdeaconry" in the mail title and depository below.... But.... Lancashire Record Office produced a very nice .PDF booklet titled "Wills and Probate at Lancashire Archives" - this used to be on their web-site until someone redid the web-site but missed half of it out. No idea what the current situation is. P.11 of that booklet refers to the Archdeaconry of Richmond, which covered "the area of pre-1974 Lancashire north of the river Ribble as well as parts of Cumberland, Westmorland and Yorkshire." In the absence of a known current URL, I shall quote extensively: The Archdeaconry "comprised 3 deaneries wholly in Yorkshire - Boroughbridge, Catterick and Richmond - known as the Eastern Deaneries, and 5 others wholly or partly in Lancashire, known as the Western Deaneries. The deanery boundaries did not follow the county boundaries" The 5 Western Deaneries were: "AMOUNDERNESS DEANERY - wholly in Lancashire "COPELAND DEANERY - wholly in Cumberland "FURNESS DEANERY- wholly in Lancashire "KENDAL DEANERY - partly in Lancashire and partly in Westmorland "LONSDALE DEANERY - partly in Lancashire, partly in Westmorland and partly in Yorkshire" Lancashire RO "hold the wills for the Western Deaneries (reference: WRW), while the Eastern Deanery wills are held at West Yorkshire Archive Service, Chapeltown Road, Sheepscar, Leeds, LS7 3AP (www.archives.wyjs.org.uk)." *Logically* the Western Deanery wills at LRO should all be in their on-line catalogue - certainly they were there long before the Chester Archdeaconry ones for south of the Ribble. Adrian On 3 December 2015 at 20:26, Scott D Kendall via <[email protected]> wrote: > Does anyone on the list know how I can obtain copies of will/probate > records at the Richmond depositories? >

Hi again Elizabeth married at the Cathedral Manchester 27th May 1850, known I believe for few questions asked Whilst she does not state her father deceased, that does not mean he was alive, no more than Hannah being enumerated as a widow make her one, but it looks on the face of it he was dead by 1841 or had gone elsewhere Do you have a birth year and place for him? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/12/2015 20:35, dianna charles wrote: > HI Nivard > Yes everything there is correct. Elizabeth did marry William LOWE I > think in 1852/3 in the Collegiate Church Manchester. John was listed as > a poulterer and carrier as well. No I cannot find any evidence that John > was alive after 1841. His last child Charlotte Britcliffe was born in > 1833 and that is that. I cannot find anything positive on him after > that. Whether he deserted the family, emigrated, died I just don't > know. I have been gathering all the information on any John Briercliffe > that I can over the last few years with variants on the spelling. > > death dec qtr 1854 Hannah Briercliffe Salford 8d 58 > death sep qtr 1859 John Briercliffe Salford 8d 52. This death is > Hannah's grandson. I think I have this death certificate. > > Thanks for your time. Kind regards Dianna --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Dianna I see Hannah in 1841 with Elizabeth aged 7, Hannah is enumerated as aged 30 so could be 34 down to 30 if she told the truth or the person filling in the schedule entered it accurately Do I assume correctly that Elizabeth married William LOWE in 1850? She gives her age as 21 and her father as John BRIERCLIFFE a poulterer In 1851 Hannah gives herself as a widow aged 44 (page hard to read but looks like 44), living with William and Elizabeth Is there any evidence John was alive in 1841 or after? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/12/2015 19:48, dianna charles via wrote: > Hi List I’m trying to find out if there are any Workhouse or Poor > house records that can be searched for my ancestor John BRITCLIFFE > (aka BRIERCLIFFE) between 1833 and 1854. I still cannot find out > what happened to him and he does not seem to be on any Census records > in the Salford/Deansgate/Manchester area. His wife Hannah > BRIERCLIFFE (spelt BRICLIFFE on the 1841 census) was living in > Deansgate with her daughter Betty/Elizabeth. Any help finding John > Briercliffe very much appreciated. Kindest regards Dianna > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Yes thanks, Robyn, I already have that. That just makes me think - maybe I should get the Will. It might name the beneficiaries and help. But I already know from the newspaper articles that Anthony was in Liverpool in 1870. I'll think about that. Thanks again Christine -----Original Message----- From: Robyn Clarke Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 3:24 PM To: 'Christine Benson' ; 'Lancashire Mailing List' Subject: RE: [LAN] Fw: Anthony BENSON b 1840 Just wondering whether you found his Father's Probate and Will notice. John Benson notice dated 29 September 1870. Will with Codicil formerly of Derby Road Bootle near Liverpool in the Co. of Lancaster Stationer but late of Brook Road Bootle aforesaid deceased died 17 September 1870 at Brook Road aforesaid was proved at Liverpool by the oath of Lawrence James Benson of 46 Newstead Rd., Liverpool aforesaid Merchant's Clerk the son the sole Executor. Effects under 2,000. -----Original Message----- From: Christine Benson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 4 December 2015 2:00 AM To: Robyn Clarke; Lancashire Mailing List Subject: Re: [LAN] Fw: Anthony BENSON b 1840 Many thanks Robyn. His father was a stationer so this must be my man. And because the two articles must be about the same incident, so must the other one be mine. So I wonder why I can't find him in 1861 and 1871. Perhaps he didn't like censuses. Thanks again Christine --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Many thanks Robyn. His father was a stationer so this must be my man. And because the two articles must be about the same incident, so must the other one be mine. So I wonder why I can't find him in 1861 and 1871. Perhaps he didn't like censuses. Thanks again Christine -----Original Message----- From: Robyn Clarke Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 1:07 PM To: 'Christine Benson' ; [email protected] Subject: RE: [LAN] Fw: Anthony BENSON b 1840 Hi Christine, Further news this time from the Liverpool Daily Post dated 30 March 1870 and on FMP. AN OMNIBUS ACCIDENT - BENSON v SMITH AND ANOTHER - Mr. R. G. Williams and Mr. T.H. James were for the plaintiff, ANTHONY BENSON; and Mr. Gully was for the defendant William SMITH. The Plaintiff who is a son of MR. BENSON, Stationer, of Castle Street, Liverpool, claimed compensation for personal injuries alleged to have been received through the negligence of the defendant.....etc. Further down the article it states Anthony held a situation at 80 pounds per annum, with prospects of advancement, in a ship broker's office and he had lost that position. His injuries were a broken leg and arm. If you don't have access to this Article I can transcribe it in full......but it could have been your ANTHONY BENSON I believe. Cheers, Robyn

Does anyone on the list know how I can obtain copies of will/probate records at the Richmond depositories? Thank you Scott Kendall

Thanks to Penny,Ruth and Bob for your quick response. I now have two names for Charles father ! Bob has given John and Penny has him as Joseph. Could this be as a result of a transcription error and if so which one is correct? thanks again Mike --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Dear Mike, As Ruth said, Charles was a mariner as was his father Joseph. Louisa Tucker was the daughter of Nathaniel Tucker, another mariner. Louisa seems to have been from Teignmouth in Devon. Charles was born on the 25th May 1823 in Wapping, Middlesex. In 1845 he was 5ft. 5 1/2 inches tall, with brown hair, hazel eyes and a ruddy complexion. (Image sent off-list) Best Wishes, Penny

Hi Mike, Marriage: 21 Mar 1843 St Luke, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Charles Silvey - full age, Mariner, Bachelor, London Louisa Tucker - full age, Spinster, Liverpool Groom's Father: John Silvey, Mariner Bride's Father: Nathaniel Tucker, Mariner Witness: John Luckham; Ellen Foot, (X) Married by License by: Thos. Hornby, Off. Min. Register: Marriages 1837 - 1848, Page 135, Entry 269 Source: LDS Film 1545920 Note that Charles' father was John and not Joseph. In the 1851 census Charles and Louisa are living at 15 Shaws Alley, Liverpool (together with a lodger, John Burns - Mariner - and two servants). Charles' age was given as 28 and Louisa's as 25. He was from London and she from Plymouth. Hope this helps Cheers, Bob Winder On 02/12/2015 10:51, mike smith via wrote: > Hello List, > I am looking for the birth of Charles Silvey,who married Louisa Tucker in Liverpool on 21st March 1843. Any info on the said Charles,much appreciated. > regards Mike > >