Thanks for your input. I had looked at the pics on this site before but now after all the help have come to the conclusion that my relative's boat must have looked like the Dutch vessel. Your response was much appreciated. Noreen > On Dec 21, 2015, at 12:20 PM, rt-sails via <[email protected]> wrote: > > See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galiot . > The flat bottom permitted sailing in shallow waters, beaching and launching from a beach. But the doesn't mean the rest of the hull wasn't curved. It wouldn't have looked like a barge. > -rt_/) > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Merry Christmas to you all and wishing you all a very Happy New Year xxx Carrie x

Try looking up Mersey Flats for one - while the Mersey Flats per se were built for riverine traffic, there were variants built for coastal traffic. "Flat" refers to the flat-bottom of the boat, for grounding on coastal beaches, etc. According to p50/51 of "Mersey Flats and Flatmen", the late 18th and early 19th century galliot was a "ketch rig with the addition of a square topsail on the main mast, very similar to the east coast billy boys." (No, me neither, I'm just quoting!) The author suspects that the hull was similar to a Flat even if the rig wasn't. On p22, galliots and galliot flats are described as twin masted, flat-bottomed topsail schooners - also referred to as Barrow flats - possibly derived from the Mersey Flats. Schooner refers to the rig - forget all the glamorous images of topsail schooners by a tropical island. I suspect that http://mightyseas.perso.sfr.fr/marhist/furness/ashburners/result.htm may show something of the beast, though the text suggests this was a touch more graceful than usual. Adrian On 20 December 2015 at 21:42, N NASH via <[email protected]> wrote: > A giant thank you to all who contribute to this site and a very Happy > Holiday Season! > I am one of the "lurkers" who has followed this site for over a decade > even though I have not been active in genealogy. The knowledge and support > this site and its subscribers offer is exceptional. > It is my intention to take up researching again so let me begin with two > questions that have plagued me for awhile. > My relatives were mariners from Ulverston. John Pernie was a captain of a > " gailot" while James Pernie captained a ship "rigged square". I know that > a gailot is a flat bottomed boat. Some reports describe it as similar to a > barge while others say after 1830 it could be like a schooner. What type > would have sailed from Ulverston to Liverpool hauling pig iron and coal? > > Can anyone direct me to or forward pictures of what these ships from > Ulverston might have looked like? > > Noreen > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi..check out this page: http://www.thecheappages.com/smyth/mast_n_sail_06.html Google is your frien!! mary lou -----Original Message----- From: N NASH via <[email protected]> To: Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> Cc: LancsGen Mailing List <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Dec 20, 2015 3:24 pm Subject: [LAN] Gailots and things that float Thanks Adrian. Now to find out what an East Coast Billy Boy was. Quite fascinating to learn about the different boats. I have looked at the Mighty Seas website over the years. What a terrific reference source. It was one of the sites which had information about my Mariner relatives...Pernie, Charnley, Wilson, Hunter, Anyon. The mariners seem to have been a very close knit group as the Ulverston group all are related. Noreen Victoria, Canada > On Dec 20, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> wrote: > > Try looking up Mersey Flats for one - while the Mersey Flats per se were built for riverine traffic, there were variants built for coastal traffic. "Flat" refers to the flat-bottom of the boat, for grounding on coastal beaches, etc. > > According to p50/51 of "Mersey Flats and Flatmen", the late 18th and early 19th century galliot was a "ketch rig with the addition of a square topsail on the main mast, very similar to the east coast billy boys." (No, me neither, I'm just quoting!) The author suspects that the hull was similar to a Flat even if the rig wasn't. > > On p22, galliots and galliot flats are described as twin masted, flat-bottomed topsail schooners - also referred to as Barrow flats - possibly derived from the Mersey Flats. Schooner refers to the rig - forget all the glamorous images of topsail schooners by a tropical island. > > I suspect that http://mightyseas.perso.sfr.fr/marhist/furness/ashburners/result.htm may show something of the beast, though the text suggests this was a touch more graceful than usual. > > Adrian >> >> My relatives were mariners from Ulverston. John Pernie was a captain of a " gailot" while James Pernie captained a ship "rigged square". I know that a gailot is a flat bottomed boat. Some reports describe it as similar to a barge while others say after 1830 it could be like a schooner. What type would have sailed from Ulverston to Liverpool hauling pig iron and coal? >> >> Can anyone direct me to or forward pictures of what these ships from Ulverston might have looked like? >> >> Noreen >> >> >> >> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: >> >> Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! >> >> The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] >> >> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Very helpful site. Thanks Mary Lou. I am beginning to get a picture in my head of what a gailot looks like. Not quite as much of a barge as I thought. Noreen > On Dec 20, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Mary Lou <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi..check out this page: > > http://www.thecheappages.com/smyth/mast_n_sail_06.html > > Google is your frien!! > > mary lou > > > -----Original Message----- > From: N NASH via <[email protected]> > To: Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> > Cc: LancsGen Mailing List <[email protected]> > Sent: Sun, Dec 20, 2015 3:24 pm > Subject: [LAN] Gailots and things that float > > Thanks Adrian. Now to find out what an East Coast Billy Boy was. Quite fascinating to learn about the different boats. I have looked at the Mighty Seas website over the years. What a terrific reference source. It was one of the sites which had information about my Mariner relatives...Pernie, Charnley, Wilson, Hunter, Anyon. The mariners seem to have been a very close knit group as the Ulverston group all are related. > Noreen > Victoria, Canada > > On Dec 20, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Try looking up Mersey Flats for one - while the Mersey Flats per se were built for riverine traffic, there were variants built for coastal traffic. "Flat" refers to the flat-bottom of the boat, for grounding on coastal beaches, etc. > > > > According to p50/51 of "Mersey Flats and Flatmen", the late 18th and early 19th century galliot was a "ketch rig with the addition of a square topsail on the main mast, very similar to the east coast billy boys." (No, me neither, I'm just quoting!) The author suspects that the hull was similar to a Flat even if the rig wasn't. > > > > On p22, galliots and galliot flats are described as twin masted, flat-bottomed topsail schooners - also referred to as Barrow flats - possibly derived from the Mersey Flats. Schooner refers to the rig - forget all the glamorous images of topsail schooners by a tropical island. > > > > I suspect that http://mightyseas.perso.sfr.fr/marhist/furness/ashburners/result.htm may show something of the beast, though the text suggests this was a touch more graceful than usual. > > > > Adrian > >> > >> My relatives were mariners from Ulverston. John Pernie was a captain of a " gailot" while James Pernie captained a ship "rigged square". I know that a gailot is a flat bottomed boat. Some reports describe it as similar to a barge while others say after 1830 it could be like a schooner. What type would have sailed from Ulverston to Liverpool hauling pig iron and coal? > >> > >> Can anyone direct me to or forward pictures of what these ships from Ulverston might have looked like? > >> > >> Noreen > >> > >> > >> > >> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > >> > >> Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > >> > >> The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > >> > >> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Adrian. Now to find out what an East Coast Billy Boy was. Quite fascinating to learn about the different boats. I have looked at the Mighty Seas website over the years. What a terrific reference source. It was one of the sites which had information about my Mariner relatives...Pernie, Charnley, Wilson, Hunter, Anyon. The mariners seem to have been a very close knit group as the Ulverston group all are related. Noreen Victoria, Canada > On Dec 20, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> wrote: > > Try looking up Mersey Flats for one - while the Mersey Flats per se were built for riverine traffic, there were variants built for coastal traffic. "Flat" refers to the flat-bottom of the boat, for grounding on coastal beaches, etc. > > According to p50/51 of "Mersey Flats and Flatmen", the late 18th and early 19th century galliot was a "ketch rig with the addition of a square topsail on the main mast, very similar to the east coast billy boys." (No, me neither, I'm just quoting!) The author suspects that the hull was similar to a Flat even if the rig wasn't. > > On p22, galliots and galliot flats are described as twin masted, flat-bottomed topsail schooners - also referred to as Barrow flats - possibly derived from the Mersey Flats. Schooner refers to the rig - forget all the glamorous images of topsail schooners by a tropical island. > > I suspect that http://mightyseas.perso.sfr.fr/marhist/furness/ashburners/result.htm may show something of the beast, though the text suggests this was a touch more graceful than usual. > > Adrian >> >> My relatives were mariners from Ulverston. John Pernie was a captain of a " gailot" while James Pernie captained a ship "rigged square". I know that a gailot is a flat bottomed boat. Some reports describe it as similar to a barge while others say after 1830 it could be like a schooner. What type would have sailed from Ulverston to Liverpool hauling pig iron and coal? >> >> Can anyone direct me to or forward pictures of what these ships from Ulverston might have looked like? >> >> Noreen >> >> >> >> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: >> >> Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! >> >> The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] >> >> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A giant thank you to all who contribute to this site and a very Happy Holiday Season! I am one of the "lurkers" who has followed this site for over a decade even though I have not been active in genealogy. The knowledge and support this site and its subscribers offer is exceptional. It is my intention to take up researching again so let me begin with two questions that have plagued me for awhile. My relatives were mariners from Ulverston. John Pernie was a captain of a " gailot" while James Pernie captained a ship "rigged square". I know that a gailot is a flat bottomed boat. Some reports describe it as similar to a barge while others say after 1830 it could be like a schooner. What type would have sailed from Ulverston to Liverpool hauling pig iron and coal? Can anyone direct me to or forward pictures of what these ships from Ulverston might have looked like? Noreen

Thank you for your replies folks. I shall certainly follow up on your suggestions. Much appreciated. I had been thinking of a local paper which I believe would be the Rossendale Free Press, which could be another option? Kind Regards, Janice.

Janice Whilst it might be the local paper know I am not sure about it at the time you are interested in. Certainly their online archive only goes back to 2003 Regards John Hanson Researcher, The Halsted Trust Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of janice nevill via Sent: 18 December 2015 22:03 To: [email protected] Subject: [LAN] Elizabeth Hannah Rickard Thank you for your replies folks. I shall certainly follow up on your suggestions. Much appreciated. I had been thinking of a local paper which I believe would be the Rossendale Free Press, which could be another option? Kind Regards, Janice. :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 18/12/2015 08:00, [email protected] wrote: > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Be sure mail to the list is in plain text. > > When replying, please snip extraneous text and be sure to change the subject line to reflect the content of your message. > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Inquest for Elizabeth Hannah Rickard (janice nevill) > 2. Re: Inquest for Elizabeth Hannah Rickard (Nivard Ovington) > 3. Re: Inquest for Elizabeth Hannah Rickard (Dorri Roughley) > 4. Re: Inquest for Elizabeth Hannah Rickard (John Hanson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 21:05:26 +1100 > From: "janice nevill" <[email protected]> > Subject: [LAN] Inquest for Elizabeth Hannah Rickard > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Can anyone please tell me how I could find information on an Inquest that > took place on 30th May 1975 for an Elizabeth Hannah Rickard who died 28th > May 1975. Apparently she took her own life by drowning in the Leeds and > Liverpool Canal Rishton. I live in Australia so cannot access newspapers > myself, so would appreciate some help. > > > > Regards, > > > > Janice. > > > > ------------------------------ > There is a Facebook page for the Great Harwood genealogy group. There may be a person there who could help. Marie

Lynne, I get back to John Deplietch Bradbury b. England, came to New York with his parents. He was an only child as far as I know. His father served at age 60 in the Civil War, in order that his son would not have to serve and he could care for his young family, including a new born child and his mother. His father died while serving. Other spellings of Deplietch: Deplitch, Deplich I find that Peter b. 1803 is a son of Thomas & Nanny Bradbury- no maiden name for Nanny. Have that Thomas & Nanny had 10 children. Believe another sibling of Peter's came with them to the US, they would go to Iowa. His obit: His obit states Wednesday morning, Feb 21, 1923 occurred the death of John D. Bradbury, aged 92 years, at the home of his grandson, James Bradbury, of Rodman, where he had been cared for since November 5th. Death was due to old age, he having been in failing health for some time. Mr. Bradbury was born in Manchestershire, England, December 9th, 1830, son of Peter and Martha Bradbury. When nine years of age he came with his parents to this country. After a six weeks voyage they landed at New Orleans, LA. They sailed up the river to St. Louis, then continued to Sackets Harbor. He became a tanner by trade and a few years were spent there and at Cazenovia and Manlius. In 1854 he married Miss Marion Murphy, of Manlius. Shortly after the outbreak of the Civil War he offered his services to the union but was refused on account of his father being already in the service, and his family, including his mother, depending upon him for their support. Later he purchased a farm near Gardiner's Corners, Lewis County, where he resided until the death of his wife in 1905. The remainder of his life he spent with his children and grandchildren in the west and in Jefferson and Lewis counties. Mr. and Mrs. Bradford were the parents of nine children: William who died in infancy; Mrs. Julia Buell, of Watertown who died in 1896; Surviving are four sons, Peter Bradbury, of Humboldt Iowa; George Bradbury of Central Square; John Bradbury, of Watertown; Adelbert Bradbury of Barnes Corners; Three daughters, Mrs. Martha Marcellus of Humboldt, Iowa; Mrs. Margaret Dening of Lowville (my line); Mrs. Minnie Hulbert of South Rutland. Also several grandchildren and great-grandchildren. He was a charter member of the Gardiner's Corners Grange, a loyal citizen, and a kind and indulgent father and a firm believer in the Golden Rule. The funeral was held from the home of his grandson, James Bradbury. Rev. A.G. Todd of the Congregational Church officiating. His remains were placed in the vault at Fairview Cemetery, Rodman. Interment will be made in the family plot at Liberty cemetery, Montague. "Folded the hands that have labored so long, Quietly clasped o'er a true, loving heart; Gone is the suffering, the waiting is ended, Peacefully, tranquility, lying at rest." Any information on the family or any 'cousins' would be fun to know about! -Charmaine Campany Croghan, New York On 10/11/2014 1:26 PM, Lynne via wrote: > Hi Charmaine > > If you're looking for information, I'm sure someone can help you. Let us know what you already have and what you're seeking. > > Kind regards, > Lynne >

Can anyone please tell me how I could find information on an Inquest that took place on 30th May 1975 for an Elizabeth Hannah Rickard who died 28th May 1975. Apparently she took her own life by drowning in the Leeds and Liverpool Canal Rishton. I live in Australia so cannot access newspapers myself, so would appreciate some help. Regards, Janice.

Janice You may also find that the inquest records are still locked - normally for 75 years from the date of the event and 9 times out of 10 the local newspaper is the best bet. Googling "rishton local newspapers" provides some clues and you could try emailing the newspapers below to see if they can provide any details from their archives Lancashire Telegraph Accrington Observer Regards John Hanson Researcher, The Halsted Trust Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of janice nevill via Sent: 17 December 2015 10:05 To: [email protected] Subject: [LAN] Inquest for Elizabeth Hannah Rickard Can anyone please tell me how I could find information on an Inquest that took place on 30th May 1975 for an Elizabeth Hannah Rickard who died 28th May 1975. Apparently she took her own life by drowning in the Leeds and Liverpool Canal Rishton. I live in Australia so cannot access newspapers myself, so would appreciate some help. Regards, Janice. :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Janice. The inquest on 30th May 1975 would not have been the full inquest, it may have been to allow the body to be released for burial or cremation. The Times and The Guardian do not carry any details on the inquest. I would try local papers, but there may not be too much detail unless there was some sort of failure of care. Merry Xmas Dorri > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 13:05:34 +0000 > Subject: Re: [LAN] Inquest for Elizabeth Hannah Rickard > From: [email protected] > > Hi Janice > > I would suggest making contact with the County Records Office who may be > able to help you > > Some have indexes for such events and as you have a specific date may do > a quick look up, but as staff are generally stretched it may require a > fee paid for them to do so > > Worth asking though > > As an Australian resident you do have access to a great many newspapers > via your National Library of Australia, once registered you can use them > from home 24/7 > > Although most papers online cover the earlier periods, they have the > Times at least which would cover that period, all would depend on the > day as if there were more interesting news it may not have reached the Times > > There are lots of other resources you have access to via the NLA as well > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 17/12/2015 10:05, janice nevill via wrote: >> Can anyone please tell me how I could find information on an Inquest that >> took place on 30th May 1975 for an Elizabeth Hannah Rickard who died 28th >> May 1975. Apparently she took her own life by drowning in the Leeds and >> Liverpool Canal Rishton. I live in Australia so cannot access newspapers >> myself, so would appreciate some help. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Janice. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com

Hi Janice I would suggest making contact with the County Records Office who may be able to help you Some have indexes for such events and as you have a specific date may do a quick look up, but as staff are generally stretched it may require a fee paid for them to do so Worth asking though As an Australian resident you do have access to a great many newspapers via your National Library of Australia, once registered you can use them from home 24/7 Although most papers online cover the earlier periods, they have the Times at least which would cover that period, all would depend on the day as if there were more interesting news it may not have reached the Times There are lots of other resources you have access to via the NLA as well Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 17/12/2015 10:05, janice nevill via wrote: > Can anyone please tell me how I could find information on an Inquest that > took place on 30th May 1975 for an Elizabeth Hannah Rickard who died 28th > May 1975. Apparently she took her own life by drowning in the Leeds and > Liverpool Canal Rishton. I live in Australia so cannot access newspapers > myself, so would appreciate some help. > > > > Regards, > > > > Janice. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

True - though I think that most of the major software in this category does everything. Check your own software's abilities before rushing out to get a specific anti-malware product. Adrian

Not to be picky, but AntiVirus software won't clean up malware. For that, one needs ab anti-malware program. These scan the enire system (discs, files & registry) to identify and eliminate malicious programs and the commands that call them, -rt_/) -

Hello everyone Here are the posts made on the Lancashire message board since the last time I wrote about them. Perhaps there's a thread or two that will interest you. . . . . WILLIAM HOLDEN/HOLDING OF SUTTON, ST HELENS, LANCS . . . . Trying to find info on Mary Preston (b. abt 1818) . . . . Hodgkinson, Clark and Cronkshaw of Lancashire . . . . LIVERPOOL Lookup, can anyone help? Please. . . . . STUART MILLER/BLACKBURN? . . . . Dodd family Liverpool . . . . jonathan potter merchant seaman liverpool about 1890 . . . . CAIN LLOYD & TOLLETT (sp?) . . . . Inquests and Coronors' Courts UK . . . . Seeking info on Greenberg . . . . Missing Records - Where else to look? . . . . Vincent TESTA m. to Joceline Blackwell/Dorothy Sargeant - Lancashire directory lookup 1946-1988 possibly Warrington . . . . DAVIDSON'S OF GREAT HOMER STREET LIVERPOOL . . . . PYE family originally from Wigan/Bolton Lancashire . . . . 1911 census in Liverpool for Peter Quinn born circa 1895 . . . . Stonyhurst Hall (now Stonyhurst College) . . . . GRAHL FAMILY HISTORY . . . . Patrick Brides/McBride on 1901 census, and date of death . . . . Maud Taylor & Taylor family - Stretford area of . . . . Yew Tree Inn History- located in Droylsden . . . . Bible belonging to NORRIS family of Bolton . . . . BRIERCLIFFE Family of Rochdale Lancashire . . . . William McIntyre grave location 13 Sept 1892... Bolton? . . . . Southport Newspaper records of Richard BALL death 28NOV1880 The messages can be viewed (and a reply can be posted) at http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/mb.ashx or http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/mb.ashx Kind regards, Lynne

Hi I have also at times been the person who seems to be sending out these kind of emails. However, it’s not MY account that has been compromised – it’s someone else who has me in their address book/contact list A nasty little bug that not only hacks a person, but sends the rest of into a panic thinking it’s us who’s been hacked! Fiona

My great-great grandfather, Joseph CLARKE, was born in Liverpool in 1841. He was the son of Peter CLARKE and Sarah ECCLES. Joseph married Elizabeth SIMMONS in Liverpool in 1864. His occupation between 1861 and 1879 was variously described as clerk, bookkeeper, rent collector and storekeeper. It appears that sometime after he had reached the age of 38 he started a career as a mariner. The last references I find of him are on his daughter's birth certificate in 1881 when he was described as a ship's steward and then in 1887 when he is described as a purser on his son's marriage certificate. Three months before his son's marriage in 1887 his wife, Elizabeth, remarried to Joseph's brother, Ebenezer. On the marriage certificate Elizabeth is described as a widow. I was illegal in England, at that time, for a woman to marry her deceased husband's brother yet she married him legally. She did this by marrying him in Philidelphia where it was legal. It was also the case that such a US marriage would be recognised in England. The son's marriage certificate incorrectly did not describe his father as deceased. It seems likely that Joseph died sometime between 1881 and 1887 although I cannot be certain of the earlier date. I have considered the possibility of the second marriage being bigamous but have dismissed this as the marital homes of the Elizabeth and both husbands were too close. I have also dismissed the idea that Joseph never went to sea and the maritime occupations were just a cover. I am sure of this as there are items of furniture still in existence brought back by Joseph from USA. The question is when and where did he die. The is no record of his death in England, Wales or Scotland. There is also no record of a death at sea. I would be interested to hear from anyone who can give me any suggestions. David Railton