Yes, just to say there are people out there.. I lurk most of the time too.. but always look out for names I recognise and if I can help someone I will. These lists are the best way to find things over and above what is on FMP/Ancestry/FamilySearch etc.. I’m always amazed at how much people know and grateful for the time and help people have given me in the past. Regards Jane > On 8 Feb 2016, at 00:45, Nan Bailey via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you for saying this Mike from Toronto, joining a list like this is so > useful and something I always recomend. The list has a real community feel. > You have helped me in the past as have other members. > > There are many lurkers like me, whose lives have got in the way of > research, but who still enjoy reading the questions and the answers, where > we often learn new things. > > Nan Bailey > Australia > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for saying this Mike from Toronto, joining a list like this is so useful and something I always recomend. The list has a real community feel. You have helped me in the past as have other members. There are many lurkers like me, whose lives have got in the way of research, but who still enjoy reading the questions and the answers, where we often learn new things. Nan Bailey Australia

Hi Listers—I’m one of the lurkers on this list. It’s one of the few lists that I still subscribe to and actually get email from. I do scan everything that comes through just in case it’s info I can use. I’m also on Facebook…lots of my life splat out there. For pure research, Facebook is useless. However, I’ve connected with distant cousins I’ve never met and gotten to know them via Facebook. I subscribe to a number of groups and pages. The Facebook group Technology for Genealogy is great for keeping up with what is developing for researchers in the tech world. I use RootsMagic and there’s a Facebook group that has provided a host of hints and solutions I might have otherwise missed. I also subscribe to the Facebook page for a genealogy society I’ve been a member of for 20 plus years. They publish bits that allow me to keep up with what’s going on in Illinois (I live in Florida). So, while I can agree that Facebook is pretty useless for individual research, there are a host of other things that make it useful and worth the time and effort for genealogists. Twitter is the same thing. It moves fast but you can catch wind of developing info/events/etc. as it streams by. I’m still trying to learn to use Twitter effectively. It’s a struggle. I do talk about listservs to younger researchers so they are aware of them. However, with listservs all but dying, it’s kind of a lost cause. That being said, I do appreciate the diehards that keep this list going. Pamela Treme [email protected] Land O Lakes, Florida, USA Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: June Dowling via Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 8:53 AM To: Fiona Hall; [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAN] quiet mailling list Hi Fiona (stranger!) I am scared stiff of Facebook - I'm not a member nor do I intend to be in the foreseeable future. It is sad though that Forums and Lists are not as lively as they once were. This subject (Quiet Mailing List) has inspired me -- and I will shortly post a message about something I have just discovered. I will post this in the hope that others, like me - were unaware of this info and it may help someone (I'm just trying to build up the anticipation now!) June From: Fiona Hall via <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 8 February 2016, 12:41 Subject: Re: [LAN] quiet mailling list All the lists and boards I belong to are quiet. I fear that the next generation of researchers will do it on facebook –  the ones I belong to are really lively. BUT, searching for that elusive ancestor is a NIGHTMARE on facebook as messages vanish into thin air after a day (or so it seems to me) Am I just being a luddite ?  Lots of folks seem to go straight for Facebook and I don’t  think it’s a very efficient way of doing FH Fiona :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list.  No fees!  The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

So Mike—I just found out I need two obituaries from Toronto. Since this is my first voyage into Canada, can you tell me if there’s an easy way to find and request these obits? Pam Treme [email protected] Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Morris via Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 11:28 AM To: SEND MAIL LANCASHIRE Subject: [LAN] Quiet mailing list. I am under the impression the membership is declining based on the number of letter queries I see posted. Some members says its because programs such as Ancestry.com or others give the members what they need. But my recent query could not be answered until I posted a query to our list. Think about it, you ask a question and a  lot of our wonderful members come out with all sorts of new ways to approach a subject. None of the other programs do this or responds almost with lightening speed. In addition, I enjoy looking at the numerous queries posted or if I am lucky some might ask me for a street location. Along with my cup of coffee its one of my favourite pastimes. Please do suggest when talking about family history research to friends who might be new to this hobby, that they subscribe (for free) to our local Rootsweb list. All my best, Mike Morris Toronto Canada :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi That may be becuse nit-wits like me cant remember their user name/password/etc, and cant get thought the system. On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Mike Morris via <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am under the impression the membership is declining based on the number > of letter queries I see posted. Some members says its because programs such > as Ancestry.com or others give the members what they need. But my recent > query could not be answered until I posted a query to our list. Think about > it, you ask a question and a lot of our wonderful members come out with > all sorts of new ways to approach a subject. None of the other programs do > this or responds almost with lightening speed. In addition, I enjoy looking > at the numerous queries posted or if I am lucky some might ask me for a > street location. Along with my cup of coffee its one of my favourite > pastimes. > Please do suggest when talking about family history research to friends > who might be new to this hobby, that they subscribe (for free) to our local > Rootsweb list. > All my best, > Mike Morris Toronto Canada > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I couldn't agree more Mike I suggest rootsweb lists often on facebook enquiries Whether any take it up I don't know Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07/02/2016 16:27, Mike Morris via wrote: > > I am under the impression the membership is declining based on the number of letter queries I see posted. Some members says its because programs such as Ancestry.com or others give the members what they need. But my recent query could not be answered until I posted a query to our list. Think about it, you ask a question and a lot of our wonderful members come out with all sorts of new ways to approach a subject. None of the other programs do this or responds almost with lightening speed. In addition, I enjoy looking at the numerous queries posted or if I am lucky some might ask me for a street location. Along with my cup of coffee its one of my favourite pastimes. > Please do suggest when talking about family history research to friends who might be new to this hobby, that they subscribe (for free) to our local Rootsweb list. > All my best, > Mike Morris Toronto Canada --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

I am under the impression the membership is declining based on the number of letter queries I see posted. Some members says its because programs such as Ancestry.com or others give the members what they need. But my recent query could not be answered until I posted a query to our list. Think about it, you ask a question and a  lot of our wonderful members come out with all sorts of new ways to approach a subject. None of the other programs do this or responds almost with lightening speed. In addition, I enjoy looking at the numerous queries posted or if I am lucky some might ask me for a street location. Along with my cup of coffee its one of my favourite pastimes. Please do suggest when talking about family history research to friends who might be new to this hobby, that they subscribe (for free) to our local Rootsweb list. All my best, Mike Morris Toronto Canada

I totally agree Mike. We need to sign up for every available site to help knock down those brick walls. If it hadn't been for a Derbyshire site, I would never have found a branch of my family in the USA. Anne in Hamilton, Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Mike Morris via Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 11:27 AM To: SEND MAIL LANCASHIRE Subject: [LAN] Quiet mailing list. I am under the impression the membership is declining based on the number of letter queries I see posted. Some members says its because programs such as Ancestry.com or others give the members what they need. But my recent query could not be answered until I posted a query to our list. Think about it, you ask a question and a lot of our wonderful members come out with all sorts of new ways to approach a subject. None of the other programs do this or responds almost with lightening speed. In addition, I enjoy looking at the numerous queries posted or if I am lucky some might ask me for a street location. Along with my cup of coffee its one of my favourite pastimes. Please do suggest when talking about family history research to friends who might be new to this hobby, that they subscribe (for free) to our local Rootsweb list. All my best, Mike Morris Toronto Canada :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Agree totally. iPad every query keep hoping to get a clue to my elusive Liverpudlian relatives. On Sunday, February 7, 2016, Mike Morris via <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am under the impression the membership is declining based on the number > of letter queries I see posted. Some members says its because programs such > as Ancestry.com or others give the members what they need. But my recent > query could not be answered until I posted a query to our list. Think about > it, you ask a question and a lot of our wonderful members come out with > all sorts of new ways to approach a subject. None of the other programs do > this or responds almost with lightening speed. In addition, I enjoy looking > at the numerous queries posted or if I am lucky some might ask me for a > street location. Along with my cup of coffee its one of my favourite > pastimes. > Please do suggest when talking about family history research to friends > who might be new to this hobby, that they subscribe (for free) to our local > Rootsweb list. > All my best, > Mike Morris Toronto Canada > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > <javascript:;> > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] <javascript:;> with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Lynne, very much appreciated..... Cheers, Robyn -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynne via Sent: Saturday, 6 February 2016 2:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [LAN] Lancashire message board posts, 5 January 2016 - 5 February 2016 Hello Lancs Listers Here's a list of Lancashire message board posts which were either created or have received responses between 5 January 2016 to 5 February 2016. Perhaps a thread or two will be of interest. . . . . Newton Heath . . . . Henry Smith as in the below baptism . . . . William Downey & Catherine Hughes . . . . Acorn street, Manchester c.1865 . . . . Dawber Street, Ashton-in-Makerfield . . . . George William Lowe born Pendleton Manchester as Illegitimate . . . . Deputy Harbour Master Fleetwood . . . . Shuttleworth . . . . PROCTOR / PROCTER's of Lancashire . . . . Collier family Salford . . . . Alice Ann Clark married Harry Docksey in 1920 . . . . photos . . . . walsh family . . . . Hodgkinson, Clark and Cronkshaw of Lancashire . . . . Church Gates\Lodge Lane in Ashton in Makerfield . . . . Parr,St Helens look up . . . . John/ Jack Roberts son of Whiteside Roberts . . . . Martland in Upholland 1850- 1917 Newgate (New Gate) Farm House . . . . Liverpool - John Young The messages can be viewed (and replies can be posted) at http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/mb.ashx or http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/mb.ash x Kind regards, Lynne :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

My pleasure, Robyn. Kindest regards, Lynne Robyn Clarke wrote: > >Thanks Lynne, very much appreciated..... > >Cheers, >Robyn > >-----Original Message----- >Subject: [LAN] Lancashire message board posts, 5 January 2016 - 5 February >2016 >

Hello Lancs Listers Here's a list of Lancashire message board posts which were either created or have received responses between 5 January 2016 to 5 February 2016. Perhaps a thread or two will be of interest. . . . . Newton Heath . . . . Henry Smith as in the below baptism . . . . William Downey & Catherine Hughes . . . . Acorn street, Manchester c.1865 . . . . Dawber Street, Ashton-in-Makerfield . . . . George William Lowe born Pendleton Manchester as Illegitimate . . . . Deputy Harbour Master Fleetwood . . . . Shuttleworth . . . . PROCTOR / PROCTER's of Lancashire . . . . Collier family Salford . . . . Alice Ann Clark married Harry Docksey in 1920 . . . . photos . . . . walsh family . . . . Hodgkinson, Clark and Cronkshaw of Lancashire . . . . Church Gates\Lodge Lane in Ashton in Makerfield . . . . Parr,St Helens look up . . . . John/ Jack Roberts son of Whiteside Roberts . . . . Martland in Upholland 1850- 1917 Newgate (New Gate) Farm House . . . . Liverpool - John Young The messages can be viewed (and replies can be posted) at http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/mb.ashx or http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/mb.ashx Kind regards, Lynne

Hi there, Do the names of the daughters of James Owen provide any clues? Was there a Martha or an Ellen? Also, if there is no memorial stone  - I wonder if grave registers exist for the particular burial location of James. Sometimes - where there has been a remarriage, both spouses are buried in the grave with their husband/wife. Unfortunately these grave registers are thin on the ground, but where they exist they provide really useful information. They may be held at the church - or at the local archives. Might be worth checking if no-one can find an appropriate marriage to Ellen at the right time. From: T. Wood via <[email protected]> To: LANCSGEN Mailing List <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 2 February 2016, 23:45 Subject: [LAN] James Owen of Newton in Makerfield I am trying to unravel a mystery concerning James Owen who was born in Newton in Makerfield to Ralph and Alice Owen on 1 Sep 1758.  I have come up with an outline of his life based on church records but with one aspect that I can not reconcile. I initially thought he was married to Martha Norris at St. Mary the Virgin, Prescot 16 Aug 1781 and at that time both were living in Widness about 8 miles south west of Newton.  They had two children christened at St. Helen, Ralph in 1783 and Mary in 1785 after which they moved to Haydock, a bit closer to Newton. They had 5 more children from 1787 to 1798 christened at St. Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield but one complication is that the christening records at both St. Helens and at St. Thomas gave only the father’s name so to this point, the only reference to James’ spouse was the marriage record from Prescot. >From 1803 to 1814 all three of James’ sons were married and were living in Haydock and in 1811 and 1819 two daughters died and were buried at St. Oswald in Winwick. This is where the confusion comes to light in that the burial record gives the parents of both daughters as James and Ellen not Martha. The following are the burial records for both James and Ellen that also indicate that James’ wife was Ellen and not Martha: Burial: 26 May 1822 St Oswald, Winwick, Lancashire, England Ellen Owen - Wife of James Owen Age: 65 Abode: Haydock Buried by: Gs. Chippindall, Curate Register: Burials 1813 - 1837, Page 190, Entry 1520 Source: LDS Film 1885711 Burial: 9 Mar 1834 St Oswald, Winwick, Lancashire, England James Owen - Age: 75 Abode: Haydock Buried by: Thos. J. Whittington, Curate Register: Burials 1813 - 1837, Page 451, Entry 3605 Source: LDS Film 1885711 I am rather confident that the Ralph Owen who was married at Winwick and raised a family in Haydock was the same Ralph that was christened at St. Helens. What I am not so sure of is whether the marriage of James and Martha is the correct marriage for the James Owen of Newton in Makerfield and if in fact it isn’t, where and when could James have been married and to whom? :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list.  No fees!  The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to unravel a mystery concerning James Owen who was born in Newton in Makerfield to Ralph and Alice Owen on 1 Sep 1758. I have come up with an outline of his life based on church records but with one aspect that I can not reconcile. I initially thought he was married to Martha Norris at St. Mary the Virgin, Prescot 16 Aug 1781 and at that time both were living in Widness about 8 miles south west of Newton. They had two children christened at St. Helen, Ralph in 1783 and Mary in 1785 after which they moved to Haydock, a bit closer to Newton. They had 5 more children from 1787 to 1798 christened at St. Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield but one complication is that the christening records at both St. Helens and at St. Thomas gave only the father’s name so to this point, the only reference to James’ spouse was the marriage record from Prescot. >From 1803 to 1814 all three of James’ sons were married and were living in Haydock and in 1811 and 1819 two daughters died and were buried at St. Oswald in Winwick. This is where the confusion comes to light in that the burial record gives the parents of both daughters as James and Ellen not Martha. The following are the burial records for both James and Ellen that also indicate that James’ wife was Ellen and not Martha: Burial: 26 May 1822 St Oswald, Winwick, Lancashire, England Ellen Owen - Wife of James Owen Age: 65 Abode: Haydock Buried by: Gs. Chippindall, Curate Register: Burials 1813 - 1837, Page 190, Entry 1520 Source: LDS Film 1885711 Burial: 9 Mar 1834 St Oswald, Winwick, Lancashire, England James Owen - Age: 75 Abode: Haydock Buried by: Thos. J. Whittington, Curate Register: Burials 1813 - 1837, Page 451, Entry 3605 Source: LDS Film 1885711 I am rather confident that the Ralph Owen who was married at Winwick and raised a family in Haydock was the same Ralph that was christened at St. Helens. What I am not so sure of is whether the marriage of James and Martha is the correct marriage for the James Owen of Newton in Makerfield and if in fact it isn’t, where and when could James have been married and to whom?

Hello Sharon We have always used J Childs with very good results. I have pasted details below. Cheers Audrey Leech Bolton Lancs. Child & Son Ltd Tel: 01204 324634 Tel: 01706 391531 446 Blackburn Road, Astley Bridge, Bolton, BL1 8NL .Monumental Masons Since 1899 .Wide Choice Of Memorials .Statues, Vases & Kerbs .Additional Inscriptions .Renovations .All Language Inscriptions -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sharon Gigliotti via Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 4:25 PM To: lancsgen Subject: [LAN] re stonemakers or memorial for graves Hello, I wonder if anyone would know contact information for memorial stone cutters for graves in Bolton. I have relatives in a church cemetery there and am inquiring re having their stones refurbished? Many thanks, Sharon Gigliotti Toronto, Canada :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

May I just say that these courses mentioned by Lynne should be an absolute mine of information. I once did an on-line course about 'The Parish Chest' -- best course I have ever taken. I learnt SO much about the workings of the parish and was truly amazed at the different types of records created and - if they do still exist -- what you may be able to find. It is a very, very interesting subject. We tend to confuse 'Parish Records' with 'Parish Registers' (the registers are the baptisms, marriages and burials only.) There are far more records than just those. There is also a book 'The Parish Chest' by W.E.Tate - also interesting. Quite expensive new -- but can be purchased second hand from somewhere like 'Abe Books'. There were a few editions - so go for a later one if you are interested. If you live in the Bolton area it should be well worth you attending.Please note I am NOT related to the tutor -- nor am I on commission!! Regards June From: Lynne via <[email protected]> To: Sent: Monday, 1 February 2016, 14:41 Subject: [LAN] Bolton Archives History Centre Family History Courses Advanced Family History Courses at the Bolton Archives History Centre, Bolton Central Library, Le Mans Crescent, Bolton BL1 1SE: "So you want to get back before 1837?" Tutor, Rita Greenwood, will show you more advanced sources for family history research through a series of five workshops held on the following  Saturdays from 10am to 12pm: 6 February 2016 10:00 AM  - Parish Records: How can you use them to further your research. 20 February -  The Parish Chest: Studying the contents of the parish chest and how they can assist in locating ancestors in parishes where they were not born. 5 March - The Parish Chest: How to go about accessing documents associated with the Parish Chest including affiliation orders and establishing the paternity of a child. 19 March - Pre-1858 probate: Most researchers will find wills relating to their ancestors but Rita will show you how to use them to further your research? 2 April - What next?: Further sources to be used by advanced researchers. Researchers of all abilities are welcome. The cost for the five workshops is £25 and includes refreshments. To book a place, please call Barbara Owen on 01204 309515. More information at http://www.localdirectory.bolton.gov.uk/EventDetails.aspx?EventID=5804&s=635903496000000000&e=635903568000000000 or http://tinyurl.com/juyps86 :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list.  No fees!  The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I wonder if anyone would know contact information for memorial stone cutters for graves in Bolton. I have relatives in a church cemetery there and am inquiring re having their stones refurbished? Many thanks, Sharon Gigliotti Toronto, Canada

Advanced Family History Courses at the Bolton Archives History Centre, Bolton Central Library, Le Mans Crescent, Bolton BL1 1SE: "So you want to get back before 1837?" Tutor, Rita Greenwood, will show you more advanced sources for family history research through a series of five workshops held on the following Saturdays from 10am to 12pm: 6 February 2016 10:00 AM - Parish Records: How can you use them to further your research. 20 February - The Parish Chest: Studying the contents of the parish chest and how they can assist in locating ancestors in parishes where they were not born. 5 March - The Parish Chest: How to go about accessing documents associated with the Parish Chest including affiliation orders and establishing the paternity of a child. 19 March - Pre-1858 probate: Most researchers will find wills relating to their ancestors but Rita will show you how to use them to further your research? 2 April - What next?: Further sources to be used by advanced researchers. Researchers of all abilities are welcome. The cost for the five workshops is £25 and includes refreshments. To book a place, please call Barbara Owen on 01204 309515. More information at http://www.localdirectory.bolton.gov.uk/EventDetails.aspx?EventID=5804&s=635903496000000000&e=635903568000000000 or http://tinyurl.com/juyps86

Wednesday February 3rd at 7.30pm: Jacqui Crosby, Senior Archivist, Lancashire Archives, is coming to tell us about "Saving the Hulton Papers for the Lancashire Archives". A report about the campaign to save the Hulton archive and why it is so important. Many will recall the desperate fund raising that the Manchester and Lancashire FHS had a small part in in 2014, to retain this collection intact in Lancashire. The project was thankfully successful and two important collections of documents have been retained in the County Record Office at Preston. The cataloguing will take at least another 6 months with some documents going back to the 12th C and we are thrilled they they are staying near their home. The usual Help Desk, stationery table and recycle tables will also be available. Normal charges will be all MLFHS members free, with tea & coffee also now available £1 each, and none members £1.50 at the door. We are now of course at our new venue of the Old Links Golf Club, Chorley Old Road , Bolton, England BL1 5SU. Our first meeting of the new year held last week was a great success, with 88 attending and I think all will agree a very successful evening. Some inevitable "teething problems" became evident which we expected but all solvable. A report will appear shortly in our newsletter due out at the end of next week http://www.bolton.mlfhs.org.uk/Newsletter.php

Hi Nivard...are you on every list??? Yes, FMP has finally said we subscribers can look at the data as part of our subs in a few weeks!! As their indexing seems rubbish (some people, outside redaction, whom I know where they were are not appearing!!) once get full access I hope to be able to do delving to unravel a couple of my own family mysteries half remembered by me from whispers by my elders!! If nobody has "lost" Ethel, then 1939 is my best hope of sorting her out. There is no second name/initial on her death...but then poor Murdo may not have known of one. Son born, partner dead...and registration services take him to court for perjury in claiming child was "legitimate" and Ethel was his wife. All no doubt circumstances of WW2. Leigh and Ashton are so close geographically, and within "Greater Manchester" now...here's hoping somebody on the list can tell us the life story of one of the two Ethel's even if to rule her out! I live in hope...!!! Jacqui ________________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Nivard Ovington via <[email protected]> Sent: 25 January 2016 11:59 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAN] Ethel WATERWORTH bc 1903 Hi Jacqui In the 1939 NIR there are just two Ethel WATERWORTH born 1903 +/- 1 year Ethel WATERWORTH b1902 Ashton in Makerfield UD Ethel M WATERWORTH b1903 Leigh MB Do you have a birth date for her? I am guessing not The 1939 NIR will be added to the 12 month subscribers databases on the 16th Feb so may be its worth waiting and check them out then Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 25/01/2016 11:21, w Simkins via wrote: > Hello List > > > As part of my volunteering, I assist with help desks on behalf of > Nuneaton & North Warwickshire Family History Society. As always, the > problems presented are often due to circumstance and this problem is > due to circumstances created by WW2. > > > Ethel WATERWORTH is the maiden name of the mother given on a 1942 > birth certificate. She is shown as being wife of Murdo McLEOD. They > were not married and Murdo was hauled before the beak for perjury. > > > Ethel died as a result of giving birth, and she is buried at > Coleshill Cemetery, Warwickshire as McLEOD. > > >> From this you will understand that anyone with Ethel in their tree >> may not know of her partnership with Murdo, nor her 1942 death, >> which is as McLEOD, aged 39. > > > But because she appears in Warwickshire in 1942 and probably not much > before then, the only information known is from her son's birth > certificate and her death certificate. > > > I am aware of several Ethel WATERWORTHs in Lancashire. Have you lost > one? Or does anyone have a family story of Ethel "running off with a > Scot"...or similar!! There is a suggestion that she may have been a > nurse. We have traced Murdo McLeod (thanks to enormous help from > another list) who was born in Inverness and posted to Warwickshire in > WW2 - via Manchester. > > > Ethel is, so far, unknown so any help establishing her roots would be > gratefully received by me...and particularly by her son who "doesn't > do computers". > > > In hope, > > > Jacqui --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message