Hi Wendy, Please ignore my suggestion. it appears this young lady's name was Annie Jane Short. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Morris via <[email protected]> To: Wendy Smith <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [LAN] SHORT Hi Wendy, what about this young lady? Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1886 SHORT Annie J Toxteth Park Liverpool TP/298/60 ________________________________ From: Wendy Smith via <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 1:27 PM Subject: [LAN] SHORT The grand mother’s name is Annie SHORT (possibly Annie Mary Josephine SHORT). <snip> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Wendy, what about this young lady? Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1886 SHORT Annie J Toxteth Park Liverpool TP/298/60 Sutton is near St Helens. But Liverpool is not that far from this area. Regards Mike Morris Toronto Canada ________________________________ From: Wendy Smith via <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 1:27 PM Subject: [LAN] SHORT The grand mother’s name is Annie SHORT (possibly Annie Mary Josephine SHORT). We are unsure as to where she was born but it would be somewhere between 1886 - 1888. She marries a George GOODEY in 1909 in Ireland when he is in the army based in NI. However, by 1911 they are living in Pembroke Street, London, and on this entry she gives her birth place as Sutton, Lancashire. <snip>

I live in Kent and I am helping a good friend to research her ancestors and particularly her grand mother. The grand mother’s name is Annie SHORT (possibly Annie Mary Josephine SHORT). We are unsure as to where she was born but it would be somewhere between 1886 - 1888. She marries a George GOODEY in 1909 in Ireland when he is in the army based in NI. However, by 1911 they are living in Pembroke Street, London, and on this entry she gives her birth place as Sutton, Lancashire. At the moment I have been unable to find a birth which seems to fit. They marry at Willowfield Church, Willowfield, County Down (Belfast) and her father is given as John Short – also a soldier. I just wonder whether Annie’s family may have been local to Sutton or, of course to Co. Down? Any help would be appreciated. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Mike, Thank you for sending the map. That is wonderful! Very much appreciated, Mike. Take care, Lorraine On 2016-02-11, at 4:02 PM, Mike Morris wrote: > > Hello Lorraine, > I cannot help you with a picture but will send you a copy of a section of a map dated 1894 showing the village and the pub... > regards. > > Mike Morris > Toronto Canada > >

Hello listers, I have a family history interest in a house called "Ivy House", in the village of Bardsea, in the parish of Urswick, near Ulverston. In the 1871 census that house was enumerated immediately before the Braddyll's Arms pub. So I'm assuming it might be next door? Or certainly nearby… I hope it is still there. I have "walked" through Bardsea many times on Google Street Views and although I can find the pub, I can't find the house, which I would like to see a photo of. Can some lister who knows lovely Bardsea, please tell me: if one is looking directly at the Braddyll's Arms pub on Google Street Views, where is Ivy House? With many thanks, Lorraine Victoria, BC Canada

Hi Tony, BMDs have been available in their (almost) entirety for a number of years, from various sites. If the question relates to the Lancashire BMDs, it's more than likely they are updating data capture. They're a rare site in as much as they will provide a mother's maiden name before the accepted introduction date of 1912 as well as adding to their own databases via their volunteers efforts. Hope that helps, Kind regards, Sally > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 14:12:03 +0000 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LAN] BMD Updates. > From: [email protected] > > Hi, > > I've asked this question before but didn't receive any replies. > > Try again. >>From time to time I receive emails saying that births etc have been updated for some place [email protected]@ to 19&&. > > What I would like to know is this, does this mean those BMDs were NOT available anywhere before? > > Tony

Hi Tony, BMD information usually relates to Civil Registration Certificates and you probably have in mind update announcements from http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/ If that's the case then the announcements will refer to newly transcribed infomation added to that website, which is the only one giving details from the Local Register Offoces (LROs). General Register Office (GRO) information is available from other websites including http://www.freebmd.org.uk/, You should be aware that GRO certificates are copies taken from the LRO originals and as such have an increased incidence of errors and omissions. The KancashireBMD FAQs page is here http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/faq.php Regards, Bob On 11 February 2016 at 14:12, Tony Spendel via <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > I've asked this question before but didn't receive any replies. > > Try again. > >From time to time I receive emails saying that births etc have been > updated for some place [email protected]@ to 19&&. > > What I would like to know is this, does this mean those BMDs were NOT > available anywhere before? > > Tony > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Tony You don't say where you saw this update mentioned But it sounds like a local index The births for 1837 to 2007 are complete (the GRO index) on several sites The GRO index being made up from the quarterly returns from the local offices, I suspect you are talking about the index being complied of those local offices registers Therefore, whilst the GRO index *should* contain all, a few will have been missed off, and some incorrectly transcribed So its wise to check all available indexes (including the various sites who may have different transcriptions of the same index and therefore have some differences in interpretation) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 11/02/2016 14:12, Tony Spendel via wrote: > Hi, > > I've asked this question before but didn't receive any replies. > > Try again. >>From time to time I receive emails saying that births etc have been updated for some place [email protected]@ to 19&&. > > What I would like to know is this, does this mean those BMDs were NOT available anywhere before? > > Tony --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi, I've asked this question before but didn't receive any replies. Try again. >From time to time I receive emails saying that births etc have been updated for some place [email protected]@ to 19&&. What I would like to know is this, does this mean those BMDs were NOT available anywhere before? Tony

Hi Barbara, Many thanks for these interesting pieces.....one day you may come upon one of mine:-)) Cheers, Robyn -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barb Ontario Canada via Sent: Thursday, 11 February 2016 3:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [LAN] PENRITH HERALD, September 26, 1874 / EPITOME OF NEWS. EPITOME OF NEWS. (News items from this Penrith Herald, having to do with Lancashire) THREE MARINES belonging to H.M.S. Caledonia stationed at Liverpool, have been charged before the Birkenhead stipendiary magistrate with having committed a most brutal assault upon a man in Tranmere. The prosecutor was unable to appear, and the prisoners were remanded. ______________ GAROTTING IN LIVERPOOL – At the Liverpool Police-court, JAMES WILSON, a tall, powerful ruffian, well-known to the police, has been charged with being in company with two women, not in custody, and garotting and robbing JOHN BROWN. Early in the morning prosecutor was crossing the footbridge over Lime-street Station, when he met the prisoner and two women. The former seized him with the garotte hug round the neck, injuring him severely, while the women robbed him. They then ran away, leaving Brown almost insensible. Prisoner was shortly afterwards apprehended. He was remanded. ________________ AN INQUEST HAS BEEN HELD AT LIVERPOOL on the body of a girl aged eight years, who resided with her parents in Crown-street, and whose name was LYDIA FRINDLANDER. The deceased, it appears, drank about a noggin of brandy, from the effects of which she died. A verdict of “Accidentally poisoned” was returned. __________________ A BOOKBINDER, named LIVESEY, has been charged with having violently assaulted EDWARD NELSON, tailor, at Preston. Because NELSON refused to “toss for a gill”, defendant struck him in the face, and seizing him by the collar, dragged him down the lobby of a public-house to the street-door, where he struck him a terrible blow under the left eye, knocking him down the steps. The prisoner then kicked him seven or eight times about the legs and body as he lay on the pavement. LIVESEY was sentenced to a month’s hard labour. __________________ AT ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE, JOHN BOOTHROY HAGUE has been charged with committing an assault upon ROBERT BOOTH. The complainant had been left in charge of the Crown Inn, Mossley, and in July the prisoner and others came into the house and commenced playing at cards. The complainant spoke to them, when the prisoner struck him, and knocked him down, and afterwards gave him a “spring” kick in the ribs. The complainant was rendered insensible, and was conveyed home, and has been unable to follow his employment for four weeks. The Bench said the prisoner would be committed to the sessions for trial. __________________ DEATH BY DROWNING – An inquest has been held on the body of a man unknown, which was found floating in the river opposite Brunswick Dock Liverpool. The body appeared to be that of a man over 40 years of age, 5 feet 9 inches in height. It was much decomposed, and nothing was found upon it which could lead to its identification. An open verdict was returned. _________________ THE ADJOURNED INQUIRY into the death of ANN WORTHINGTON, who died at Wigan from injuries inflicted upon her by her husband, WILLIAM WORTHINGTON, a boatman at Liverpool, has been held at Wigan. The jury, after a short consultation, returned a verdict of “Wilful murder” against the prisoner. ___________________ barb, ontario, canada. :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Tony - re the apparently unconnected Allman being buried in a family plot, I have seen what we would regard as odd things happening even with family owned plots. In one instance a family owned a plot in a Manchester grave yard and suffered badly from infant mortality. All their children were buried in the same family owned plot apart from one. That was an intermediate death so it wasn't a case of the plot not yet being bought or being full. Eventually I twigged that the odd plot was used for another burial that same day and it was owned by a near neighbour - so both families must have come to a melancholy agreement to save grave diggers' fees. I don't think your case sounds similar but I think the point is that people at that time may have had a pragmatic view that we would find odd today. Maybe the two Allman families were distantly connected, maybe they were friends, maybe the offer was made in chapel to save the indignity of a pauper burial.... Adrian On 10 Feb 2016 10:55 pm, "Tony Spendel via" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Quiet mailing list. (Mike Morris) > > Well here’s a query or 4 for anyone… I have lots more. > > I am researching the Allman family of Denbighshire, Flintshire, Cheshire > and Shropshire - this has now expanded to the North West. > > Currently I am focussed on Manchester Allmans. > > I am trying to match up marriages between a John Allman and an Elizabeth. > > On the 1851 census I have a John Allman b Flintshire living with Elizabeth > and Jane and a lodger on Vauxhall Row, Collyhurst Road, Manchester. The > same John is at 85 Hart Street, Manchester on the 1861 census but with a > new wife as Elizabeth has died. (He eventually moves back to Wales) Her > burial details are: > Elizabeth ALLMAN, > 21 Jun 1858 > Vauxhall Road COLLYHURST > MANCHESTER CHEETHAM HILL WESLEYAN CEMETERY > Aged 53 (1805) > Grave No 3596 (owner John ALLMAN) > > On the burial register, there is a burial below this - blank - suspect > it’s a still-born baby although Elizabeth would be 53 at that time. > > I have a John Allman b outside of Lancashire and an Elizabeth Allman b in > Lancashire on the 1841 census at Union Street, Salford with 3 others. John > is described as a ‘Distiller’ and given that by 1851 John is a ‘Bar > Retailer’ my working hypothesis is that these are one and the same. > Q1 WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THIS? > > There is a further confusion with this family in that they have Jane > Allman as their daughter. The Jane Allman that fits this age is born to > Isaac Allman (Tailor) and marries William Spence in 1867 where she gives > her address as Vauxhall Street. > > Now it gets confusing… > Elizabeth (above) is buried in Grave 3596, the owner of which is one John > ALLMAN > In the same grave is: > John Frederick ALLMAN > 2 Oct 1853 > Stephen Street SALFORD > MANCHESTER CHEETHAM HILL WESLEYAN CEMETERY > Aged 4 > OWNER John ALLMAN > Grave No 3596 > > The only John Frederick to fit this is one born to John and Sarah ALLMAN > who are on the census for 1841 through 1861 and in 1851 live on St Stephen > street. > Q2 ARE ST STEPHEN STREET AND STEPHEN STREET ONE AND THE SAME? > Q3 WHY WOULD JOHN FREDERICK BE BURIED IN GRAVE 3596? (There doesn’t appear > to be any family links.) > > MOVING ON… > The marriage I have (tentatively) for this John b Flintshire is in Bangor, > Flintshire 28 Dec 1833 to Elizabeth BENNETT. (John is born 1811 to John and > Eleanor) Given that on the census Elizabeth is down as b IN (Lancashire) > in 1841; and b Manchester in 1851. It seems unlikely this could be so. > Q4 IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE MARRIAGE FOR THIS JOHN? > > It would be interesting if anyone could help out. > Cheers > Tony > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is this what you want?Michael Needham, born 26 September 1887, baptised 2 October 1887 at St Sylvester Catholic Church, Liverpool. Son of Jacobi and Brigitte (nee Gilmore) Needham. RegardsBarbara (NZ) On Thursday, 11 February 2016 2:00 PM, eve1224 via <[email protected]> wrote:     HiHave been researching birth and no results at the lancashire site but free UK bmd has Michael's birth listed as December 1887. Family believed it's September 24, 1888 in kirk dale Liverpool.  Any suggestions?  Thank you as always for your time.  Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list.  No fees!  The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> Today's Topics: > > 1. Quiet mailing list. (Mike Morris) Well here’s a query or 4 for anyone… I have lots more. I am researching the Allman family of Denbighshire, Flintshire, Cheshire and Shropshire - this has now expanded to the North West. Currently I am focussed on Manchester Allmans. I am trying to match up marriages between a John Allman and an Elizabeth. On the 1851 census I have a John Allman b Flintshire living with Elizabeth and Jane and a lodger on Vauxhall Row, Collyhurst Road, Manchester. The same John is at 85 Hart Street, Manchester on the 1861 census but with a new wife as Elizabeth has died. (He eventually moves back to Wales) Her burial details are: Elizabeth ALLMAN, 21 Jun 1858 Vauxhall Road COLLYHURST MANCHESTER CHEETHAM HILL WESLEYAN CEMETERY Aged 53 (1805) Grave No 3596 (owner John ALLMAN) On the burial register, there is a burial below this - blank - suspect it’s a still-born baby although Elizabeth would be 53 at that time. I have a John Allman b outside of Lancashire and an Elizabeth Allman b in Lancashire on the 1841 census at Union Street, Salford with 3 others. John is described as a ‘Distiller’ and given that by 1851 John is a ‘Bar Retailer’ my working hypothesis is that these are one and the same. Q1 WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THIS? There is a further confusion with this family in that they have Jane Allman as their daughter. The Jane Allman that fits this age is born to Isaac Allman (Tailor) and marries William Spence in 1867 where she gives her address as Vauxhall Street. Now it gets confusing… Elizabeth (above) is buried in Grave 3596, the owner of which is one John ALLMAN In the same grave is: John Frederick ALLMAN 2 Oct 1853 Stephen Street SALFORD MANCHESTER CHEETHAM HILL WESLEYAN CEMETERY Aged 4 OWNER John ALLMAN Grave No 3596 The only John Frederick to fit this is one born to John and Sarah ALLMAN who are on the census for 1841 through 1861 and in 1851 live on St Stephen street. Q2 ARE ST STEPHEN STREET AND STEPHEN STREET ONE AND THE SAME? Q3 WHY WOULD JOHN FREDERICK BE BURIED IN GRAVE 3596? (There doesn’t appear to be any family links.) MOVING ON… The marriage I have (tentatively) for this John b Flintshire is in Bangor, Flintshire 28 Dec 1833 to Elizabeth BENNETT. (John is born 1811 to John and Eleanor) Given that on the census Elizabeth is down as b IN (Lancashire) in 1841; and b Manchester in 1851. It seems unlikely this could be so. Q4 IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE MARRIAGE FOR THIS JOHN? It would be interesting if anyone could help out. Cheers Tony

HiHave been researching birth and no results at the lancashire site but free UK bmd has Michael's birth listed as December 1887. Family believed it's September 24, 1888 in kirk dale Liverpool.  Any suggestions?  Thank you as always for your time.  Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

TOM HOOD is now accused of being a cremationist because he said shortly before his death that "he was dying out of charity to the undertaker, who wished to urn a lively HOOD." ============================================ This completes my transcription of the September 26, 1874 edition of THE PENRITH HERALD ____________________________________________________________________________________ barb, ontario, canada.

RAILWAY ACCIDENTS / MANCHESTER MANCHESTER. A collision has occurred on the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway, between Victoria and Salford Stations, Manchester. The 10.45 train from Salford to Bury was about due to leave the former station, and pending its being sent away, a goods train was kept outside the station. The goods train was covered by the distance signal from the box at Salford being placed at danger, and the accident resulted in consequence of the non-observance of this signal. When the quarter to eleven train left Victoria Station for Bolton, the engine driver found that the injector of his engine was out of order. He began to remedy the disarrangement, and,while he was so engaged, he overlooked the Salford distance-signal, and, before he could pull up, the train ran into the end of the goods train. The engine and two carriages of the passenger train were much damaged, and the fourth waggon from the end of the goods train was thrown partially off the rails. The passengers sustained severe shock. Three gentlemen and four ladies, who were in various parts of the train, were severely cut about the head and face,and the guard, BOLTON, who was in the van at the rear, was also much hurt. MR. COOPER, the station master at Salford, with a large staff of officials, was immediately on the spot; and, as the line was blocked by the goods waggon leaving the rails, the train conveying the passengers was sent back to Victoria Station. The wounds of the injured persons were there dressed, and most of them were able to proceed to their destinations by succeeding trains. The line was cleared in about half an hour, and the traffic was then resumed. the passenger train having just left Victoria was running about ten or fifteen miles an hour when the collision occurred, or the result might have been much more serious. The railway is carried through the city to Salford on a high viaduct, and a very little impetus would precipitate a train leaving the rails into the street below. _______________ Another accident, though happily not of a fatal nature, has occurred at Carlisle Citadel Station. Before the arrival of the limited mail from London for the north, a post-office van containing three officials, was detached and moved on to another line of rails, upon the traversing car. The limited mail then left the station and proceeded on its journey north. As soon as it had gone, six porters began to push the post-office van on to the main line again. While they were so engaged, and when the van was half way across the six-foot, an engine shunting an empty carriage ran into the van and dashed it against one of the iron pillars which supported the roof of the station. The pillar was broken and knocked down, and about twenty yards of the wood, slate, and iron roof came down with a great crash. The porters, warned of the impending fall by the cracking of the glass and timber, were enabled to get out of the way before the roof fell. Part of the ironwork smashed through the roof of the post-office van, but the three clerks in it escaped without injury. __________________ An accident has occurred at the Sheffield Station of the Manchester, Sheffield, and Lincolnshire Railway, the victim being SAMUEL WALKER, aged eighteen. WALKER was employed as lampman, and was engaged on the roof of one of the carriages forming the latest arrived London express in removing the lamps. It was necessary to move the train back a few yards, which was done slowly, but WALKER lost his balance, and fell between two carriages. His neck fell across one of the rails, and the engine and several carriages passed over him, severing his head from his body. ____________________ CAPTAIN TYLER has reported to the Board of Trade the result of his inquiry into the circumstances attending the accident that occurred on the 22nd of August at the Elstree Station on the Midland Railway. In this case an excursion train of school children, due to leave Elstree for Haverstock-hill at 9 p.m. was starting from a siding instead of going out on to the main line. Four adult passengers and 16 children have complained of injury. None of the company’s servants were injured. CAPTAIN TYLER says: “This collision occurred in consequence of the forgetfulness of the station porter, who ought to have opened the points near the south end of the siding to allow the train to run on to the main line, but who forgot the necessity for doing so, and left them open for the dead end of the siding; and this man appears fully to have admitted his forgetfulness. With a view to the prevention of a similar accident in future, it is desirable that the points near the end of the siding should be interlocked with the siding signals so that the siding signal cannot then be altered, after the lowering of the siding signal, until that signal has been returned to danger. It is another instance of the necessity of providing, by properly-arranged locking apparatus, against the risk of those mistakes which, in the hurry of their work, the best of men are otherwise liable to commit”. ================================================================== barb, ontario, canada.

MISCELLANEOUS NEWS Page (from the Penrith Herald; excerpts having to do with Lancashire) FATAL ACCIDENT TO A BLACKSMITH. – The borough coroner of Liverpool has held an inquest touching the death of THOMAS POLLARD, 33 years of age, a blacksmith. Deceased had for some years been in bad health, and had suffered from liver complaint. While at work he was slightly burnt on the forehead by some molten lead, but nothing was thought of the injury, as it was not deemed serious. During the night, however, deceased became very unwell, and in the morning he was unconscious. He was seen by a doctor, but died during the afternoon. The medical testimony was to the effect that when the deceased was first seen by the doctor, he was suffering from some brain affection, and that his death was consequent upon the scald on the forehead, though it was slight, and was caused by congestion and effusion from the vessels of the brain. The jury returned a verdict to the effect that “Deceased died from a shock consequent upon molten lead accidently flying in his face”. __________________________ PLAYING WITH A LOCOMOTIVE. – A man, named THOMAS MARSHALL, has been charged before the Kendal magistrates with having trespassed on the London and North-Western Company’s line. It seems the foolish fellow had, whilst drunk, got on one of the company’s engines, and was running up and down the line, when he was fortunately discovered by a porter, who got him away. There were several goods trains passing to and fro at the time, and it is a wonder there was not a collision. The man was fined 20s. and costs. __________________________ INCENDIARISM – THOMAS JARVIS, whitesmith, of Manchester, has been charged at Birmingham Police-court, on his own confession with wilfully setting fire to a hayrick belonging to MR. DAVIS, of Wolverhampton. Police-constable BENTLEY said that he was on duty in Bristol-street, when the prisoner came to him and said he wanted to give himself up for setting a hayrick on fire. Asking what he did it for, the prisoner said “To be locked up”. He stated where the rick was, and said he begged the matches. He (witness) took the prisoner to the lock-up, and then went to make enquiries as to his story. He found a rick in a field near Calthorpe-park – the place indicated by the prisoner – to be on fire, and that several policemen were there trying to extinguish it. The prisoner was committed for trial at the assizes, and was informed by the learned stipendary he was liable to be sent to penal servitude for life. ____________________________ barb, ontario, canada.

EPITOME OF NEWS. (News items from this Penrith Herald, having to do with Lancashire) THREE MARINES belonging to H.M.S. Caledonia stationed at Liverpool, have been charged before the Birkenhead stipendiary magistrate with having committed a most brutal assault upon a man in Tranmere. The prosecutor was unable to appear, and the prisoners were remanded. ______________ GAROTTING IN LIVERPOOL – At the Liverpool Police-court, JAMES WILSON, a tall, powerful ruffian, well-known to the police, has been charged with being in company with two women, not in custody, and garotting and robbing JOHN BROWN. Early in the morning prosecutor was crossing the footbridge over Lime-street Station, when he met the prisoner and two women. The former seized him with the garotte hug round the neck, injuring him severely, while the women robbed him. They then ran away, leaving Brown almost insensible. Prisoner was shortly afterwards apprehended. He was remanded. ________________ AN INQUEST HAS BEEN HELD AT LIVERPOOL on the body of a girl aged eight years, who resided with her parents in Crown-street, and whose name was LYDIA FRINDLANDER. The deceased, it appears, drank about a noggin of brandy, from the effects of which she died. A verdict of “Accidentally poisoned” was returned. __________________ A BOOKBINDER, named LIVESEY, has been charged with having violently assaulted EDWARD NELSON, tailor, at Preston. Because NELSON refused to “toss for a gill”, defendant struck him in the face, and seizing him by the collar, dragged him down the lobby of a public-house to the street-door, where he struck him a terrible blow under the left eye, knocking him down the steps. The prisoner then kicked him seven or eight times about the legs and body as he lay on the pavement. LIVESEY was sentenced to a month’s hard labour. __________________ AT ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE, JOHN BOOTHROY HAGUE has been charged with committing an assault upon ROBERT BOOTH. The complainant had been left in charge of the Crown Inn, Mossley, and in July the prisoner and others came into the house and commenced playing at cards. The complainant spoke to them, when the prisoner struck him, and knocked him down, and afterwards gave him a “spring” kick in the ribs. The complainant was rendered insensible, and was conveyed home, and has been unable to follow his employment for four weeks. The Bench said the prisoner would be committed to the sessions for trial. __________________ DEATH BY DROWNING – An inquest has been held on the body of a man unknown, which was found floating in the river opposite Brunswick Dock Liverpool. The body appeared to be that of a man over 40 years of age, 5 feet 9 inches in height. It was much decomposed, and nothing was found upon it which could lead to its identification. An open verdict was returned. _________________ THE ADJOURNED INQUIRY into the death of ANN WORTHINGTON, who died at Wigan from injuries inflicted upon her by her husband, WILLIAM WORTHINGTON, a boatman at Liverpool, has been held at Wigan. The jury, after a short consultation, returned a verdict of “Wilful murder” against the prisoner. ___________________ barb, ontario, canada.

Thank you for this information, Nivard. Much appreciated. Regards June From: Nivard Ovington via <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 9 February 2016, 22:02 Subject: Re: [LAN] Downloadable Early Lancashire Wills On the subject of probate and wills There are a great number of very interesting podcasts on the National Archives, they can be listened to online or downloaded and heard on an mp3 player etc , they are completely free One of these is on the subject at hand <http://media.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php/where-theres-a-will-probate-records-for-family-history-at-the-national-archives-and-beyond/> But there are many more on a variety of subjects <http://media.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php/category/family-history/> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > Message body "Probably stating the blindingly obvious but pre 1858 > wills being under ecclesiastical courts, the jurisdiction of the > relevant court covered different administration areas than just plain > county boundaries" and you kindly provided a useful link to the > appropriate section on Family Search. Believe me -- you were not > stating the 'blindingly obvious' to me. Wills have always been a > mystery to me. I ignored them for years. For one thing, coming from > poor or working class stock - I never imagined that any of my > ancestors would have left a Will (this assumption was wrong!). > Furthermore I didn't understand the terminology - 'Ecclesiastical > Courts' - 'Jurisdictions' - 'Admons' etc. All way above my head, so I > took no notice of Wills. Then I found one on what was the Origins > website (now part of Find My Past)! More accurately it was an 'Admon' > - and it was at the Borthwick in York. I sent for this - cost £10. It > was brilliant - it included an inventory of every single thing in the > house - knives, forks, pots, buffets --- it turned this ancestor into > a real person who had used these articles. Then I started finding > Wills (mainly for my Yorkshire ancestors) - I love them now. Still > don't understand all the lingo -- but find them really useful.Next > stage -- to really explore which towns are 'South of the Ribble'. > June --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list.  No fees!  The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On the subject of probate and wills There are a great number of very interesting podcasts on the National Archives, they can be listened to online or downloaded and heard on an mp3 player etc , they are completely free One of these is on the subject at hand <http://media.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php/where-theres-a-will-probate-records-for-family-history-at-the-national-archives-and-beyond/> But there are many more on a variety of subjects <http://media.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php/category/family-history/> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > Message body "Probably stating the blindingly obvious but pre 1858 > wills being under ecclesiastical courts, the jurisdiction of the > relevant court covered different administration areas than just plain > county boundaries" and you kindly provided a useful link to the > appropriate section on Family Search. Believe me -- you were not > stating the 'blindingly obvious' to me. Wills have always been a > mystery to me. I ignored them for years. For one thing, coming from > poor or working class stock - I never imagined that any of my > ancestors would have left a Will (this assumption was wrong!). > Furthermore I didn't understand the terminology - 'Ecclesiastical > Courts' - 'Jurisdictions' - 'Admons' etc. All way above my head, so I > took no notice of Wills. Then I found one on what was the Origins > website (now part of Find My Past)! More accurately it was an 'Admon' > - and it was at the Borthwick in York. I sent for this - cost £10. It > was brilliant - it included an inventory of every single thing in the > house - knives, forks, pots, buffets --- it turned this ancestor into > a real person who had used these articles. Then I started finding > Wills (mainly for my Yorkshire ancestors) - I love them now. Still > don't understand all the lingo -- but find them really useful.Next > stage -- to really explore which towns are 'South of the Ribble'. > June --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus