Well Wendy, It could be all possible, some of it or, none of it true. Good Hunting! Penny On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:29 PM, Wendy Smith via <[email protected]> wrote: > Am so grateful to all who responded to my Annie Short request. I have > looked at Annie from Toxteth but discarded her. > > My Annie is very much an enigma right now. She had a dismal life on the > whole. She loses her son 14 months after his birth in 1915 and her > husband was killed in WW1 (1916) having won a Military Cross doing so. She > herself dies aged 33 in 1920. She left behind a daughter born in 1910 who > ends up in South Africa. Very sad. > > On her son’s birth certificate she gives her name as Annie Mary Josephine > Short but this is the only time she suggests she has other names. Could it > be that she herself is illegitimate and perhaps puts John Short for her > father simply to complete the box? She names her only daughter Annie > Florence Grace !! Perhaps my Annie hankered after other names for herself > also..... the odd thing is that her daughter has never been known by any > of these names and re-named herself Judy !!! > > Thanks to all and I shall keep hunting of course. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't know about the other sites but, when you sign up with Ancestry you AGree that what you 'post' becomes THEIR property; which is why you cannot download it. Always do your own line, Offline. If you wish to publish it, find another way. (Having said that, mine Is on Ancestry, because I didn't realise when I started oh so many years ago.) I still use it, but mainly for searches (and mostly privately, for other people who don't have access) Pen On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 3:23 AM, C. Phillipps via <[email protected]> wrote: > The Chinese have exceptionally long trees, if you can make it through the > revolutions. Its not unheard of them to have hundreds of generations for > families that were high in civil service/government. If you saw Finding > Your Roots this year they presented Maya Lin with a chart that went through > her 99th great-grandfather. I would not be surprised to hear of one of > theirs that went through a thousand generations. > > IMO, I hate all of this disparaging of people's work (or lack therof). Part > of the beauty of the Internet is how much we have learned that was wrong. > It may or may not be their fault that its wrong. Some folks just don't get > computers and how the tree sites work, and others have families who > mistakenly wanted to be connected to a particular line for whatever reason > when the truth was far from it. And we all make mistakes sometimes! No one > is perfect. > > I had a lady write me on MyHeritage this week - I think she was surprised > that I was so willing to admit I might just be wrong about the line. When > she pointed out she had the correct information and my information was > wrong, I was more than happy to hack the erroneous line out of my tree. I > think I might have scared her a little by being so willing LOL - most > people aren't that receptive I guess. > > Concetta > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Ralph Taylor via <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I had to chuckle on reading Marg's post about the gentleman whose tree > went > > back 200 generations to Adam and Eve. > > > > Now, genetic scientists have determined that there really were a paternal > > and maternal most recent common ancestor to everyone in the world today. > > They're known as "Y-DNA Adam" and "mitochondrial DNA Eve". But these > people > > lived many more than 200 generations ago and not at the same time. > > > > Y-Adam is estimated to have lived about 338,000 years ago and mt-Eve > about > > 140,000. Assuming an average of 35 years between generations, Y-Adam is > > nearly 10,000 generations back. (35 may be an over-estimate on this time > > scale, putting the number of generations at more than 10,000.) If mothers > > were younger than fathers (say, 30 years per generation) that's 4,500+ > > generations back to mt-Eve. > > > > Descent from Noah, BTW, is part of one Irish origin myth, though usually > > it's the sons who get the credit. In this 11th-century myth, the Gaels > > defeated the tribe of the goddess Dannu, who had previously conquered the > > Fir Bolg and Formorian peoples. Fir Bolg ancestry traced through > Agnoman. a > > king of Scythia, to Noah. (It seems that hijacking ancestors isn't a new > > phenomenon.) > > > > As a further aside, the Dannans seem to resemble fairies, living half in > > the > > mundane world and half in the supernatural. The Formorians resemble > trolls > > or Vikings, coming either from the sea or underground. . > > > > Has ANYONE made a credible tree going back thousands of generations? > > -rt_/) > > > > ==================================== > > From: "marg o'leary" <[email protected]> > > > > I did have a gentleman send me a family tree back to Adam and eve, before > > computer email. > > > > Beautifully typed, came through the post, it takes the Irish McCauley > > family back abt 200 generations to Adam and Eve, so if anyone has any > > McCauleys out there..... (somewhere the daughters of Noah find their way > to > > Ireland and marry Irish chieftains.) > > > > Marg > > ==================================== > > > > > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > > fees! > > > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

"As a further aside, the Dannans seem to resemble fairies, living half in the mundane world and half in the supernatural. The Formorians resemble trolls or Vikings, coming either from the sea or underground. ." Some years back I was really interested in where fact met fiction (so to speak). And everything in between. So, were the Formorians the same as the Firbolgs? (I can't remember) I recall the Dannan being the 'true people' (although I agree the frustrated decision seems to have been 'fairies' and, the Formorians seeming to me to be from Spain or somewhere south, although that doesn't for obvious reasons exclude your expressed Vikings. Penny On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 1:52 AM, Linda <[email protected]> wrote: > No matter what site you subscribe to, you should always save all info > to your computer, not to their trees or shoebox. I have an ancestry > tree and save records to it but save each to my computer as well. I > have Family Tree Maker but never synced to the website. > > > FTM is being continued afterall. Bought by another company. But it > will not be connected to Ancestry.com. Ancestry is now connecting to > Roots Magic, I think. Not sure but some other program. Again, > Have your online tree but save to your computer and keep a tree on your > computer, not just on Ancestry. > > LDS is a great resource. I just don't like their tree since others > can add to it. > > On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 21:08:16 +1100, Lynn Elves via wrote: > > I know a number of people who have created their own web pages > and host their own trees. Not too many have the time for this when > there are programs and software that provide this with ease. > > Ancestry is massive and Find my past as well. What irks me with online > sites and software, it changes and you have to pay and upgrade. Sure > they are a business and have a right to charge for this. So we must > decide as individuals if that suits us. The cost of this can be > prohibitive for some. However if you unsubscribe from what I found, I > cannot download info that I technically originally paid for. Maybe I am > doing something wrong. > > I had Family Tree maker from years ago and upgraded a few times, not > cheap, and while another company is now taking over and this will be > serviced, we don't know the costs. Also your data now belongs to > software and or Ancestry, Find my past. So years of paying for these > sites, unless you save items to your computer and download a gedom, you > might lose it all. That's my understanding, please correct me if I am > wrong. > > My cousin and I were talking today and she belonged to genes reunited, > and she said the same thing. It's her data, and she should be able to > access it. Make it private or public. > > Online sites are great, but any person who thinks it is all correct > would be on dangerous ground, as we all know you can go off on a > tangent and get it all wrong. I have JOHNSON, JONES and SMITH in my > tree, and let me tell you with those names marrying, it is hell online. > Even locating correct births in a myriad of online sources, be that > Family Search Org - who I hold a great deal of respect for - can be > wrong, as can free BDM. Basically even original record source can be > wrong. Then the transcriber can get it wrong, not read the image > correctly. I used to transcribe for lists from imaged items, eg > births...and I can tell you it can be difficult. Just look at some > census records, people should have been vetted for their writing before > being given that role!! > > As an example, my marriage certificate signed by the local priest was > wrong. He put the wrong year on my marriage! No wonder it felt longer! > > My uncle born and Baptised Peter Simon STACKHOUSE, had a different date > and different parents!, who got that wrong. > > Family Search Org is free and so is putting up a family tree, and they > also offer hints from source or family trees of others. LDS believe > this is important. Aside from any particular religious belief there is > out there. I have nothing but respect for them, for their help and > access to records, yes to go into a LDS Temple to use their family > history research centres, run by volunteers and not pushing their own > stuff, might seem at odds for some, but I had so much help and > patience, and so too my very catholic family......well it was great. > Sure some items they ask you pay for, photocopies etc, sometimes you > just need to get out there and give things a go, what have you got to > lose? > > But just keep your own records and back up, digital, back up, back up > constantly!!! > > Lynn > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

​Right off the top of my head that's doing several things late at night, am I right in saying there are three sites aiming, ultimately, to do one tree for the whole of humanity? One record per person... I think they are WikiTree.com, FamilySearch FamilyTree and Geni.com. In all cases, the major issue is how to facilitate co-operation and resolve differences of opinion. Adrian

I did have a gentleman send me a family tree back to Adam and eve, before computer email. Beautifully typed, came through the post, it takes the Irish McCauley family back abt 200 generations to Adam and Eve, so if anyone has any McCauleys out there..... (somewhere the daughters of Noah find their way to Ireland and marry Irish chieftains.) Marg -----Original Message----- From: Pamela Simmons via Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 9:26 PM To: 'Lynn Elves' ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAN] Online trees and hijacked info As everyone else has said - check your own information. A lot of people just copy what others have put on line. Believe it or not I have seen people - on Ancestry - (more than one) purporting to have their family trees back to ADAM & EVE !!!!! They have my Tree included (wrongly) and I have difficulty getting further back than 1600's (the 1900's in some cases)!!! Pamela :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Chinese have exceptionally long trees, if you can make it through the revolutions. Its not unheard of them to have hundreds of generations for families that were high in civil service/government. If you saw Finding Your Roots this year they presented Maya Lin with a chart that went through her 99th great-grandfather. I would not be surprised to hear of one of theirs that went through a thousand generations. IMO, I hate all of this disparaging of people's work (or lack therof). Part of the beauty of the Internet is how much we have learned that was wrong. It may or may not be their fault that its wrong. Some folks just don't get computers and how the tree sites work, and others have families who mistakenly wanted to be connected to a particular line for whatever reason when the truth was far from it. And we all make mistakes sometimes! No one is perfect. I had a lady write me on MyHeritage this week - I think she was surprised that I was so willing to admit I might just be wrong about the line. When she pointed out she had the correct information and my information was wrong, I was more than happy to hack the erroneous line out of my tree. I think I might have scared her a little by being so willing LOL - most people aren't that receptive I guess. Concetta On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Ralph Taylor via <[email protected]> wrote: > I had to chuckle on reading Marg's post about the gentleman whose tree went > back 200 generations to Adam and Eve. > > Now, genetic scientists have determined that there really were a paternal > and maternal most recent common ancestor to everyone in the world today. > They're known as "Y-DNA Adam" and "mitochondrial DNA Eve". But these people > lived many more than 200 generations ago and not at the same time. > > Y-Adam is estimated to have lived about 338,000 years ago and mt-Eve about > 140,000. Assuming an average of 35 years between generations, Y-Adam is > nearly 10,000 generations back. (35 may be an over-estimate on this time > scale, putting the number of generations at more than 10,000.) If mothers > were younger than fathers (say, 30 years per generation) that's 4,500+ > generations back to mt-Eve. > > Descent from Noah, BTW, is part of one Irish origin myth, though usually > it's the sons who get the credit. In this 11th-century myth, the Gaels > defeated the tribe of the goddess Dannu, who had previously conquered the > Fir Bolg and Formorian peoples. Fir Bolg ancestry traced through Agnoman. a > king of Scythia, to Noah. (It seems that hijacking ancestors isn't a new > phenomenon.) > > As a further aside, the Dannans seem to resemble fairies, living half in > the > mundane world and half in the supernatural. The Formorians resemble trolls > or Vikings, coming either from the sea or underground. . > > Has ANYONE made a credible tree going back thousands of generations? > -rt_/) > > ==================================== > From: "marg o'leary" <[email protected]> > > I did have a gentleman send me a family tree back to Adam and eve, before > computer email. > > Beautifully typed, came through the post, it takes the Irish McCauley > family back abt 200 generations to Adam and Eve, so if anyone has any > McCauleys out there..... (somewhere the daughters of Noah find their way to > Ireland and marry Irish chieftains.) > > Marg > ==================================== > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I know a number of people who have created their own web pages and host their own trees. Not too many have the time for this when there are programs and software that provide this with ease. Ancestry is massive and Find my past as well. What irks me with online sites and software, it changes and you have to pay and upgrade. Sure they are a business and have a right to charge for this. So we must decide as individuals if that suits us. The cost of this can be prohibitive for some. However if you unsubscribe from what I found, I cannot download info that I technically originally paid for. Maybe I am doing something wrong. I had Family Tree maker from years ago and upgraded a few times, not cheap, and while another company is now taking over and this will be serviced, we don't know the costs. Also your data now belongs to software and or Ancestry, Find my past. So years of paying for these sites, unless you save items to your computer and download a gedom, you might lose it all. That's my understanding, please correct me if I am wrong. My cousin and I were talking today and she belonged to genes reunited, and she said the same thing. It's her data, and she should be able to access it. Make it private or public. Online sites are great, but any person who thinks it is all correct would be on dangerous ground, as we all know you can go off on a tangent and get it all wrong. I have JOHNSON, JONES and SMITH in my tree, and let me tell you with those names marrying, it is hell online. Even locating correct births in a myriad of online sources, be that Family Search Org - who I hold a great deal of respect for - can be wrong, as can free BDM. Basically even original record source can be wrong. Then the transcriber can get it wrong, not read the image correctly. I used to transcribe for lists from imaged items, eg births...and I can tell you it can be difficult. Just look at some census records, people should have been vetted for their writing before being given that role!! As an example, my marriage certificate signed by the local priest was wrong. He put the wrong year on my marriage! No wonder it felt longer! My uncle born and Baptised Peter Simon STACKHOUSE, had a different date and different parents!, who got that wrong. Family Search Org is free and so is putting up a family tree, and they also offer hints from source or family trees of others. LDS believe this is important. Aside from any particular religious belief there is out there. I have nothing but respect for them, for their help and access to records, yes to go into a LDS Temple to use their family history research centres, run by volunteers and not pushing their own stuff, might seem at odds for some, but I had so much help and patience, and so too my very catholic family......well it was great. Sure some items they ask you pay for, photocopies etc, sometimes you just need to get out there and give things a go, what have you got to lose? But just keep your own records and back up, digital, back up, back up constantly!!! Lynn Cheshire Cat in Oz Searching- CARLETON (CARLTON) Ireland, Lancashire and possibly Australia MURRAY - Lancashire HAY - Lanschashire TRANTER - Lancashire and Staffordshire JOHNSON - Lancashire JONES - Lancashire and Buckinghamshire COLLINS - Buckinghamshire, Lancashire, Australia STACKHOUSE - Lancashire, Yorkshire and anywhere..... HALL (Yorkshire) WADE - Lancashire

No matter what site you subscribe to, you should always save all info to your computer, not to their trees or shoebox.  I have an ancestry tree and save records to it but save each to my computer as well.  I have Family Tree Maker but never synced to the website.   FTM is being continued afterall.  Bought by another company.  But it will not be connected to Ancestry.com.  Ancestry is now connecting to Roots Magic, I think.  Not sure but some other program.  Again,  Have your online tree but save to your computer and keep a tree on your computer, not just on Ancestry.   LDS is a great resource.  I just don't like their tree since others can add to it. On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 21:08:16 +1100, Lynn Elves via wrote: I know a number of people who have created their own web pages and host their own trees. Not too many have the time for this when there are programs and software that provide this with ease. Ancestry is massive and Find my past as well. What irks me with online sites and software, it changes and you have to pay and upgrade. Sure they are a business and have a right to charge for this. So we must decide as individuals if that suits us. The cost of this can be prohibitive for some. However if you unsubscribe from what I found, I cannot download info that I technically originally paid for. Maybe I am doing something wrong. I had Family Tree maker from years ago and upgraded a few times, not cheap, and while another company is now taking over and this will be serviced, we don't know the costs. Also your data now belongs to software and or Ancestry, Find my past. So years of paying for these sites, unless you save items to your computer and download a gedom, you might lose it all. That's my understanding, please correct me if I am wrong. My cousin and I were talking today and she belonged to genes reunited, and she said the same thing. It's her data, and she should be able to access it. Make it private or public. Online sites are great, but any person who thinks it is all correct would be on dangerous ground, as we all know you can go off on a tangent and get it all wrong. I have JOHNSON, JONES and SMITH in my tree, and let me tell you with those names marrying, it is hell online. Even locating correct births in a myriad of online sources, be that Family Search Org - who I hold a great deal of respect for - can be wrong, as can free BDM. Basically even original record source can be wrong. Then the transcriber can get it wrong, not read the image correctly. I used to transcribe for lists from imaged items, eg births...and I can tell you it can be difficult. Just look at some census records, people should have been vetted for their writing before being given that role!! As an example, my marriage certificate signed by the local priest was wrong. He put the wrong year on my marriage! No wonder it felt longer! My uncle born and Baptised Peter Simon STACKHOUSE, had a different date and different parents!, who got that wrong. Family Search Org is free and so is putting up a family tree, and they also offer hints from source or family trees of others. LDS believe this is important. Aside from any particular religious belief there is out there. I have nothing but respect for them, for their help and access to records, yes to go into a LDS Temple to use their family history research centres, run by volunteers and not pushing their own stuff, might seem at odds for some, but I had so much help and patience, and so too my very catholic family......well it was great. Sure some items they ask you pay for, photocopies etc, sometimes you just need to get out there and give things a go, what have you got to lose? But just keep your own records and back up, digital, back up, back up constantly!!! Lynn

Hi Folks, The note below has just come to my attention - The Catholic Family History Society are excited to announce the launch of our newly designed website. Visit us at our new web address catholicfhs.co.uk. The site features bright colours and an uncluttered design. We wanted to make the new website faster, easier to navigate, and more user-friendly. It is designed to work well on all kinds of devices: smart phones, tablets, laptops, and desktops. You’ll find the new site is divided into three main sections: Services, Publications, and Research Pointers. In Services, you’ll find links to our upcoming events, membership details, and how to contact us for advice. In Publications there are details of our data disks, printed publications, digital downloads, and an index to every journal produced from 1983 to the present day. Research Pointers provides a categorised reading list for almost all aspects of Catholic History and includes a number of links to online resources. If you experience any problems using the new website, please contact [email protected] [endquote] I have had a quick look and it seems to live up to its advertising, Regards, Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.)

On 14 February 2016 at 18:19, Linda <[email protected]> wrote: > ... > > Familysearch.org family tree is free, but it lets other records be > added so that you end up with things on your tree that you don't want > there, and it isn't easy to remove them. I'm getting frustrated with > that. > Yes but please remember that it's not your tree, it's everyone's. If someone has added a child to a pair of your relatives who you know is simply wrong, you should disconnect that child - with a reason. Do NOT delete the child as the child probably exists but with different parents. To disconnect the child, go to one of the parents' Person screen. Make sure you can see the Family Members. Make sure you can see the list of children to those parents. (The arrow points down to hide them and up to show them) You should then see a pencil in a box against - click that box for the unwanted child and you'll see a box to Remove Or Replace the child. It will then ask you whether you want to break the link between the child and its parents or replace the existing parents with others. If they have incorrect spouses, it's a similar process but with the pencil icon between the parents. It should be easy enough to remove them - slightly long-winded, perhaps. The problem is the morons who just add it back because clearly there's only one John Smith in all of Lancashire. (Worse, they add a John Smith from Yorkshire!!!) Stuff should only be unlinked that is incorrect. Adrian

Hi Carol As Dave suggests if you belong to the Society of Genealogists (and possibly even if you don't) then donating your research to them could be a great option If you belong to the Guild of One Name Studies - if they receive material from a member I think they will preserve it (electronically) in the anticipation that someone else will come along who may share the same surname interests (I am a member of both and this is my current understanding) Or write up your research and publish And you might want to make sure there are written legal instructions on what is to happen Very Best Regards Richard H -----Original Message----- From: John David Swarbrick via Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 7:05 PM To: carolsaul49 ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAN] What to do with trees for others to see [was: Online trees and hijacked info] Once you have put it all in order why not offer it to your local records office for their local history collection? If you are in striking distance of London then the Society of Genealogists, near the Barbican, would also probably be interested. Dave Swarbrick On 14 February 2016 at 18:53, carolsaul49 via <[email protected]> wrote: > Some very interesting information in this topic, thank you. > > My so far unsolved question is what to do with my tree, or at least a lot > of the branches, where there is now no-one to hand a lot of them on to. I > don't have a tree online at all [although I've shared a lot of my info > with > others some of whom I know have put it on their Ancestry trees which I am > quite happy about] but I would like my research to be available for when > any future distance relatives reach one of my ancestors and I'm no longer > around or compos mentis. I have an awful lot of paper files [which I am > trying to reduce] and it seems a shame to waste what I've researched and > the certificates I've paid for. I used to put postems on FreeBMD although > I've lost track of where I got to with doing that. > > Any ideas gratefully received. > > Carol > > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Once you have put it all in order why not offer it to your local records office for their local history collection? If you are in striking distance of London then the Society of Genealogists, near the Barbican, would also probably be interested. Dave Swarbrick On 14 February 2016 at 18:53, carolsaul49 via <[email protected]> wrote: > Some very interesting information in this topic, thank you. > > My so far unsolved question is what to do with my tree, or at least a lot > of the branches, where there is now no-one to hand a lot of them on to. I > don't have a tree online at all [although I've shared a lot of my info with > others some of whom I know have put it on their Ancestry trees which I am > quite happy about] but I would like my research to be available for when > any future distance relatives reach one of my ancestors and I'm no longer > around or compos mentis. I have an awful lot of paper files [which I am > trying to reduce] and it seems a shame to waste what I've researched and > the certificates I've paid for. I used to put postems on FreeBMD although > I've lost track of where I got to with doing that. > > Any ideas gratefully received. > > Carol > > > > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No > fees! > > The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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Hi Lynn What you are paying for with online sites is access for a period of time, you are not in effect buying the image, just access to it, you need to download the individual record to your computer for future use, if you only attach the record (and often its just a link rather than the image) to your Ancestry tree online, once your subscription ends you lose access to the images but not your tree data or anything you have uploaded yourself The best and easiest method is to use a later version of FTM (2012 or 2014) which can synch between Ancestry & FTM and download a copy of the whole to your computer, that remains yours even after your subscription ends FTM synching will work until the end of 2016 and may be available in other software at some point but would be worth it to download a complete tree anyway Regarding data on Ancestry, you own it and can delete it, it takes about a month or so as they do that when the whole site is reindexed Re the familysearch tree, the main difference is anyone can work on it and edit or alter it, its one big tree not just the person who puts it on there Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/02/2016 10:08, Lynn Elves via wrote: > I know a number of people who have created their own web pages and > host their own trees. Not too many have the time for this when there > are programs and software that provide this with ease. > > Ancestry is massive and Find my past as well. What irks me with > online sites and software, it changes and you have to pay and > upgrade. Sure they are a business and have a right to charge for > this. So we must decide as individuals if that suits us. The cost of > this can be prohibitive for some. However if you unsubscribe from > what I found, I cannot download info that I technically originally > paid for. Maybe I am doing something wrong. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

I know folks who just like to get as many branches of as many families linked up as they possibly can. I don't see the point, if you're not related to them anyway, it's a waste of time and space. In my own family tree, I've come across online trees which are full of errors, marriages that never took place, birth years of people where no birth date or baptism can be found, people said to be children of wrong parents... and so on and so on. On a few occasions there were some things that proved helpful, but on the whole it was far from that. And when you find your tree and try to connect with the tree owner who either never bothers to respond or when they do they don't actually have any connection to your family at all, well, as I said, what's the point. All the best, Jon

Hi all I am asking this on the Lancs list as it is the most likely place. And this list is GOOD! Looking for the origins of Englishman James Harris who married Dubliner Kate Smith in Dublin in 1885, he was supposed to be English and military, He was born 1847 and she was born 1860. I wonder if the regiment was English or other. I have this couple married in Dublin in 1885, and am planning to send for the certificate, it has the choice of 40 euros for a single cert and 25 for a 'search only'. Does the 'search only' cert have groom's and brides parents? . (I did ask on the web site but no reply) Should I go through an agent? This is all about their son who died at Fromelles in 1916, looking for dna match on both male and female side of the family. They stayed in Dublin for the rest of their lives, he died in 1936 (keeper of the east Pier battery) and she stayed on there until she died in 1939. I have to find this couple's parents to take it further. thanks heaps Marg O'Leary Fromelles Association Port Stephens NSW -----Original Message----- From: Linda via Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:21 AM To: w Simkins ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAN] Online trees I have found online trees with parents younger than their children and others adding to trees, people who don't belong in their family. If a name matches, it doesn't matter if dates or locations don't make sense. I've had some take people from my tree to add to theirs when their tree has absolutely no connection to mine. These things would apply to all online trees as they are all owner submitted. Caution is the word. On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 22:08:51 +0000, w Simkins via wrote: Hello List Yes, I agree with Nivard that many online trees are inaccurate and some are pure fantasy. I looked at one yesterday for an enquirer...it had the illegitimate first child of a woman shown as her younger sister (and showed birthplace as Oakham, Staffordshire...Dudley being the correct place!). The same tree showed the second, illegitimate, child as being legitimate to a husband...though there is no marriage in the period! It was all to make it "nice and tidy - perfectly "normal"". And it was when records abound - a quick check of online registers, GRO and census showed what the true picture was. But the beginner I was helping would have been sucked into believing what she found online was "true and correct - a tree of her family" had I not shown her other records. Some of those offering "free" hosting of trees for their subscribers are then holding and using that material even after the person is no longer a subscriber. Good for promoting sales! There are many who go online, find a tree and make their family fit it - then put their version online too, widening the web of inaccurate or fantasy trees. If you want to put your tree online to entice contact then I would suggest putting basic information only - name, year of birth, year of marriage, year of death - with places. And do respond to enquiries. Having contacted some half-dozen or so online tree owners in the past year...only ONE responded: is that due to apathy, or due to their no longer being a subscriber to the particular "major provider"? One wonders!! I have found trees with women long, long past child bearing years suddenly producing their first child......a century before HRT or IVF existed. User beware! Jacqui :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at [email protected] :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The additions to trees might be excusable if when they tell you to add your tree to their site, they made it clear that is really isn't your tree.  If it's mine, I don't want any additions to it as too many have errors in their trees.  If it's not mine and only a world tree, that should be specifically said.  Even family search adds to the trees and in the short time I've posted my tree, they have made some mistakes.  I don't want my name on their errors but that is how it appears.   Thanks for your input. On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 19:21:03 +0000, Adrian Bruce via wrote: On 14 February 2016 at 18:19, Linda wrote: > ... > > Familysearch.org family tree is free, but it lets other records be > added so that you end up with things on your tree that you don't want > there, and it isn't easy to remove them. I'm getting frustrated with > that. > Yes but please remember that it's not your tree, it's everyone's. If someone has added a child to a pair of your relatives who you know is simply wrong, you should disconnect that child - with a reason. Do NOT delete the child as the child probably exists but with different parents. To disconnect the child, go to one of the parents' Person screen. Make sure you can see the Family Members. Make sure you can see the list of children to those parents. (The arrow points down to hide them and up to show them) You should then see a pencil in a box against - click that box for the unwanted child and you'll see a box to Remove Or Replace the child. It will then ask you whether you want to break the link between the child and its parents or replace the existing parents with others. If they have incorrect spouses, it's a similar process but with the pencil icon between the parents. It should be easy enough to remove them - slightly long-winded, perhaps. The problem is the morons who just add it back because clearly there's only one John Smith in all of Lancashire. (Worse, they add a John Smith from Yorkshire!!!) Stuff should only be unlinked that is incorrect. Adrian

Check out state historical societies or genealogical libraries.  Even town historical societies might be interested. On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 13:53:14 -0500, carolsaul49 via wrote: Some very interesting information in this topic, thank you. My so far unsolved question is what to do with my tree, or at least a lot of the branches, where there is now no-one to hand a lot of them on to. I don't have a tree online at all [although I've shared a lot of my info with others some of whom I know have put it on their Ancestry trees which I am quite happy about] but I would like my research to be available for when any future distance relatives reach one of my ancestors and I'm no longer around or compos mentis. I have an awful lot of paper files [which I am trying to reduce] and it seems a shame to waste what I've researched and the certificates I've paid for. I used to put postems on FreeBMD although I've lost track of where I got to with doing that. Any ideas gratefully received. Carol

I am a lurker, but have working on my wife's tree in England and I have been following the conversations on the various sites for family trees and problems with existing trees. I have recently started using a site called WikiTree.com. There goal is one family tree for the world. A bit ambitious, but they make a effort to eliminate duplicates and merge trees. If you put a person on WikiTree, they will stay there, even after you are gone. It is all volunteer, and has a lot of projects that you can join to explore your family in different ways. It does allow you to upload pictures and docs, and it is entirely free. There is the rub. If it is entirely free, when the founders of the site decide to throw in the towel, will it just disappear or be sold to one of the pay-for-genealogy services. I have located other people working similiar lines, and some doing DNA on my lines. I'ts worth checking out. I just never had much luck on mailing lists, even tho I do manage a site for USGenweb. Jerry Rigg/s Standring Stock Wall Talbot Sweetnam

Some very interesting information in this topic, thank you. My so far unsolved question is what to do with my tree, or at least a lot of the branches, where there is now no-one to hand a lot of them on to. I don't have a tree online at all [although I've shared a lot of my info with others some of whom I know have put it on their Ancestry trees which I am quite happy about] but I would like my research to be available for when any future distance relatives reach one of my ancestors and I'm no longer around or compos mentis. I have an awful lot of paper files [which I am trying to reduce] and it seems a shame to waste what I've researched and the certificates I've paid for. I used to put postems on FreeBMD although I've lost track of where I got to with doing that. Any ideas gratefully received. Carol