Re-reading my own message below, I had an idea and did some lateral thinking. Looking for the presumed parents on FamilySearch, I found them with the known child and 3 siblings, and then found the marriage. I now know that, even though she was 15 years older than her husband, the object of my original search declared her age anywhere from 3 years low when married at age 26, to 10 years low at her death (someone else did this). The parents were married in Kippen in 1824, three months before the birth of twins in Glasgow. Before 1835 (when my subject was about 10) they were in Campsie, and before 1838 they were in Kirkintilloch. So ALL the "facts" had some basis in fact. And the family in Campsie in 1841 could still be them. Two of the children and the father fit, and the others could be a blended family with a second wife or a sister. But that is too speculative for now. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: 23-Sep-13 2:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Thank you to Nivard, Maisie & Don (so far). You all confirmed what I had thought was the case (but we all know there is no such thing as a stupid question). I may have found the person as a 15 year old in the Campsie 1841 census, but the mother's name does not agree with the child's death register 50 years later. And there is a good chance that she never knew where she was actually born, if her family moved when she was quite young. Back to the drawing board! Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Don Muirhead [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 23-Sep-13 1:19 PM To: 'Maisie Egger'; 'Ken'; [email protected] Subject: RE: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Ken Campsie was part of Dumbarton until around 1800 prior to that (mid 17th Century), Lennox. Kirkintilloch and Cumbernauld were also part of Dumbarton (East Dumbarton). Cumbernauld became part of Stirling briefly, Kirkintilloch never did. Here are two maps http://maps.nls.uk/joins/595.html and about a 100 years earlier here http://maps.nls.uk/view/00000290 Don -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 3:08 PM To: Ken; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Subject: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Since Scotland went through a whole regional change for administration purposes what was is no more. CAMPSIE, Stirlingshire (has always been in Stirlingshire so far as I know.) (Campsie is a hilly district in Stirlingshire, Scotland. It is noted for the beauty of Campsie Glen and the grandeur of the "mountains" aka hills! known as the Campsie Fells. My e-mail address is campsiehills as this area was just a few miles from where I lived in Glasgow, Lanarkshire. It is just a "country bus run" away from where I lived., but included in Stirlingshire. KIRKINTILLOCH Kirkintilloch is also "next door" to Glasgow and when I was growing up we always thought it was on the border of Stirlingshire, but it is now under the administration of East Dunbartonshire, as is Lenzie, another community "next door" to Glasgow. In the past only "country" buses plied between those areas. No Glasgow city transport, in other words. To confuse things (for those of us from that airt), Bishopbriggs, where my brother lives, was historically part of Lanarkshire, to the north of Glasgow. Administratively it is now managed under East Dunbartonshire, much to my brother's chagrin. So: Kirkintilloch, Bishopbriggs and Lenzie, all to the north-east of Glasgow are under East Dunbartonshire jurisdiction, but tiny Campsie is still in Stirlingshire. They are all contiguous to each other and the "country" bus would make stops at each before we as children would dekamp to wend our way up the Campsie Fells (with a small waterfall) for our picnic. Pollokshaws was its own burgh until it became part of Glasgow's South Side, Lanarkshire. Pollokshaws has gone through much demolition of older homes, and even the demolishing of "modern" hi-rise flats which, like the Red Road Flats in north Glasgow, were considered to be a miserable experiment in rehousing people from the old tenements...so some of the streets you could be looking for could no longer be there. Eastwood Parish is now part of East Renfrewshire, I believe. Probate Records """Eastwood was under the probate jurisdiction of the Commissary Court of Glasgow until 1823, and since then has been under the Sheriff's Court of Paisley. Probate records for 1513- 1901 are indexed online at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. You must register on the website but use of the index to probate records, called 'Wills & Testaments,' is free. You may then purchase a copy of the document or, if the document is before 1823, it will be on microfilm at the Family History Library. To find the microfilm numbers, search in the library catalog for the 'Place-names' of Renfrew and the subject of 'Probate records.' Then click on the link to the records of the Commissariat of Glasgow. The library also has some post-1823 probate records for Renfrew. Look in the library catalog for the 'Place-names' of Renfrew and the subjects of 'Probate Records' and 'Probate Records - Indexes.' Read more about Scotland Probate Records.""" Maisie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- I would appreciate some advice from the many experts on the List. In reviewing various records relating to the birth (1827) and marriage (1848) of an ancestor, I am finding different names for the location. Before I waste a lot of money on SP looking in the wrong parishes, I would like to know whether the following places were the same, or in close proximity in 1827: Campsie, Stirlingshire Kirkintillock Lanarkshire The other group, in 1848: Pollokshaws Eastwood Parish (was/is Pollokshaws in Lanark, Renfrew, or other? I have found Eastwood described as both Lanark and Renfrew) Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. 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