Ken Campsie was part of Dumbarton until around 1800 prior to that (mid 17th Century), Lennox. Kirkintilloch and Cumbernauld were also part of Dumbarton (East Dumbarton). Cumbernauld became part of Stirling briefly, Kirkintilloch never did. Here are two maps http://maps.nls.uk/joins/595.html and about a 100 years earlier here http://maps.nls.uk/view/00000290 Don -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 3:08 PM To: Ken; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Subject: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Since Scotland went through a whole regional change for administration purposes what was is no more. CAMPSIE, Stirlingshire (has always been in Stirlingshire so far as I know.) (Campsie is a hilly district in Stirlingshire, Scotland. It is noted for the beauty of Campsie Glen and the grandeur of the "mountains" aka hills! known as the Campsie Fells. My e-mail address is campsiehills as this area was just a few miles from where I lived in Glasgow, Lanarkshire. It is just a "country bus run" away from where I lived., but included in Stirlingshire. KIRKINTILLOCH Kirkintilloch is also "next door" to Glasgow and when I was growing up we always thought it was on the border of Stirlingshire, but it is now under the administration of East Dunbartonshire, as is Lenzie, another community "next door" to Glasgow. In the past only "country" buses plied between those areas. No Glasgow city transport, in other words. To confuse things (for those of us from that airt), Bishopbriggs, where my brother lives, was historically part of Lanarkshire, to the north of Glasgow. Administratively it is now managed under East Dunbartonshire, much to my brother's chagrin. So: Kirkintilloch, Bishopbriggs and Lenzie, all to the north-east of Glasgow are under East Dunbartonshire jurisdiction, but tiny Campsie is still in Stirlingshire. They are all contiguous to each other and the "country" bus would make stops at each before we as children would dekamp to wend our way up the Campsie Fells (with a small waterfall) for our picnic. Pollokshaws was its own burgh until it became part of Glasgow's South Side, Lanarkshire. Pollokshaws has gone through much demolition of older homes, and even the demolishing of "modern" hi-rise flats which, like the Red Road Flats in north Glasgow, were considered to be a miserable experiment in rehousing people from the old tenements...so some of the streets you could be looking for could no longer be there. Eastwood Parish is now part of East Renfrewshire, I believe. Probate Records """Eastwood was under the probate jurisdiction of the Commissary Court of Glasgow until 1823, and since then has been under the Sheriff's Court of Paisley. Probate records for 1513- 1901 are indexed online at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. You must register on the website but use of the index to probate records, called 'Wills & Testaments,' is free. You may then purchase a copy of the document or, if the document is before 1823, it will be on microfilm at the Family History Library. To find the microfilm numbers, search in the library catalog for the 'Place-names' of Renfrew and the subject of 'Probate records.' Then click on the link to the records of the Commissariat of Glasgow. The library also has some post-1823 probate records for Renfrew. Look in the library catalog for the 'Place-names' of Renfrew and the subjects of 'Probate Records' and 'Probate Records - Indexes.' Read more about Scotland Probate Records.""" Maisie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- I would appreciate some advice from the many experts on the List. In reviewing various records relating to the birth (1827) and marriage (1848) of an ancestor, I am finding different names for the location. Before I waste a lot of money on SP looking in the wrong parishes, I would like to know whether the following places were the same, or in close proximity in 1827: Campsie, Stirlingshire Kirkintillock Lanarkshire The other group, in 1848: Pollokshaws Eastwood Parish (was/is Pollokshaws in Lanark, Renfrew, or other? I have found Eastwood described as both Lanark and Renfrew) Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. 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Thank you to Nivard, Maisie & Don (so far). You all confirmed what I had thought was the case (but we all know there is no such thing as a stupid question). I may have found the person as a 15 year old in the Campsie 1841 census, but the mother's name does not agree with the child's death register 50 years later. And there is a good chance that she never knew where she was actually born, if her family moved when she was quite young. Back to the drawing board! Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Don Muirhead [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 23-Sep-13 1:19 PM To: 'Maisie Egger'; 'Ken'; [email protected] Subject: RE: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Ken Campsie was part of Dumbarton until around 1800 prior to that (mid 17th Century), Lennox. Kirkintilloch and Cumbernauld were also part of Dumbarton (East Dumbarton). Cumbernauld became part of Stirling briefly, Kirkintilloch never did. Here are two maps http://maps.nls.uk/joins/595.html and about a 100 years earlier here http://maps.nls.uk/view/00000290 Don -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 3:08 PM To: Ken; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Subject: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Since Scotland went through a whole regional change for administration purposes what was is no more. CAMPSIE, Stirlingshire (has always been in Stirlingshire so far as I know.) (Campsie is a hilly district in Stirlingshire, Scotland. It is noted for the beauty of Campsie Glen and the grandeur of the "mountains" aka hills! known as the Campsie Fells. My e-mail address is campsiehills as this area was just a few miles from where I lived in Glasgow, Lanarkshire. It is just a "country bus run" away from where I lived., but included in Stirlingshire. KIRKINTILLOCH Kirkintilloch is also "next door" to Glasgow and when I was growing up we always thought it was on the border of Stirlingshire, but it is now under the administration of East Dunbartonshire, as is Lenzie, another community "next door" to Glasgow. In the past only "country" buses plied between those areas. No Glasgow city transport, in other words. To confuse things (for those of us from that airt), Bishopbriggs, where my brother lives, was historically part of Lanarkshire, to the north of Glasgow. Administratively it is now managed under East Dunbartonshire, much to my brother's chagrin. So: Kirkintilloch, Bishopbriggs and Lenzie, all to the north-east of Glasgow are under East Dunbartonshire jurisdiction, but tiny Campsie is still in Stirlingshire. They are all contiguous to each other and the "country" bus would make stops at each before we as children would dekamp to wend our way up the Campsie Fells (with a small waterfall) for our picnic. Pollokshaws was its own burgh until it became part of Glasgow's South Side, Lanarkshire. Pollokshaws has gone through much demolition of older homes, and even the demolishing of "modern" hi-rise flats which, like the Red Road Flats in north Glasgow, were considered to be a miserable experiment in rehousing people from the old tenements...so some of the streets you could be looking for could no longer be there. Eastwood Parish is now part of East Renfrewshire, I believe. Probate Records """Eastwood was under the probate jurisdiction of the Commissary Court of Glasgow until 1823, and since then has been under the Sheriff's Court of Paisley. Probate records for 1513- 1901 are indexed online at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. You must register on the website but use of the index to probate records, called 'Wills & Testaments,' is free. You may then purchase a copy of the document or, if the document is before 1823, it will be on microfilm at the Family History Library. To find the microfilm numbers, search in the library catalog for the 'Place-names' of Renfrew and the subject of 'Probate records.' Then click on the link to the records of the Commissariat of Glasgow. The library also has some post-1823 probate records for Renfrew. Look in the library catalog for the 'Place-names' of Renfrew and the subjects of 'Probate Records' and 'Probate Records - Indexes.' Read more about Scotland Probate Records.""" Maisie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- I would appreciate some advice from the many experts on the List. In reviewing various records relating to the birth (1827) and marriage (1848) of an ancestor, I am finding different names for the location. Before I waste a lot of money on SP looking in the wrong parishes, I would like to know whether the following places were the same, or in close proximity in 1827: Campsie, Stirlingshire Kirkintillock Lanarkshire The other group, in 1848: Pollokshaws Eastwood Parish (was/is Pollokshaws in Lanark, Renfrew, or other? I have found Eastwood described as both Lanark and Renfrew) Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh, dear, oh dear, such potential for confusion! It is always essential to distinguish between parishes and counties. Parishes are mutually exclusive#, and counties are mutually exclusive, but there are some parishes that extend or once extended into more than one county. There is one that springs to mind that is in three counties - Logie, which is partly in Stirlingshire, partly in Perthshire and partly in Clackmannanshire. #in other words, no individual point can be in more than one parish, or indeed in more than one county. Campsie may have been in the *county* of Dunbarton (aka Dunbartonshire) but it was not in the *parish* of Dumbarton. Kirkintilloch and Cumbernauld are *parishes* which are mostly in the *county* of Dunbarton (aka Dunbartonshire). None of these parishes was ever in the *parish* of Stirling, even if bits of some of them were at one time in the *county* of Stirling (aka Stirlingshire). Forget altogether about 'East Dumbarton' - that is a modern (late 20th century) invention and will only serve to confuse further. There was a massive reorganisation of local authority boundaries in 1975, and a re-reorganisation in 1995, but the historical records are arranged on the basis of the historical counties and parishes. It doesn't help that almost everyone now ignores the parish boundaries - they're not even shown on maps any longer, though they were until around 1970/1980. I try to make a point of always being 100% clear whether I mean a county or a parish, irrespective of whether the source is clear - most primary sources do make the distinction, but some secondary sources, like the IGI, don't. See http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/sct_cmap.html for a valiant attempt to clarify the muddied waters. There are maps of the historic counties, maps of the various boundary changes that took effect in 1890, and for each county there are maps of which parishes are in that county. As for 'probate' - there is ***no such term*** in Scots Law, so to talk about probate in relation to inheritance in Scotland is meaningless. The corresponding process in Scots Law is 'Confirmation' and the books to be consulted are the Calendars of Confirmation. See http://www.nas.gov.uk/guides/wills.asp and do *not* believe what Ancestry says. Anne ________________________________ From: Don Muirhead <[email protected]> To: 'Maisie Egger' <[email protected]>; 'Ken' <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, 23 September 2013, 21:18 Subject: Re: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Ken Campsie was part of Dumbarton until around 1800 prior to that (mid 17th Century), Lennox. Kirkintilloch and Cumbernauld were also part of Dumbarton (East Dumbarton). Cumbernauld became part of Stirling briefly, Kirkintilloch never did. Here are two maps http://maps.nls.uk/joins/595.html and about a 100 years earlier here http://maps.nls.uk/view/00000290 Don -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 3:08 PM To: Ken; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Subject: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintillock, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Since Scotland went through a whole regional change for administration purposes what was is no more. CAMPSIE, Stirlingshire  (has always been in Stirlingshire so far as I know.) (Campsie is a hilly district in Stirlingshire, Scotland. It is noted for the beauty of Campsie Glen and the grandeur of the "mountains" aka hills!  known as the Campsie Fells.  My e-mail address is campsiehills as this area was just a few miles from where I lived in Glasgow, Lanarkshire. It is just a "country bus run" away from where I lived., but included in Stirlingshire. KIRKINTILLOCH Kirkintilloch is also "next door" to Glasgow and when I was growing up we always thought it was on the border of Stirlingshire, but it is now under the administration of East Dunbartonshire, as is Lenzie, another community "next door" to Glasgow. In the past only "country" buses plied between those areas.  No Glasgow city transport, in other words. To confuse things (for those of us from that airt), Bishopbriggs, where my brother lives, was historically part of Lanarkshire, to the north of Glasgow.  Administratively it is now managed under East Dunbartonshire, much to my brother's chagrin.  So:  Kirkintilloch, Bishopbriggs and Lenzie, all to the north-east of Glasgow are under East Dunbartonshire jurisdiction, but tiny Campsie is still in Stirlingshire.  They are all contiguous to each other and the "country" bus would make stops at each before we as children would dekamp to wend our way up the Campsie Fells (with a small waterfall) for our picnic. Pollokshaws was its own burgh until it became part of Glasgow's South Side, Lanarkshire. Pollokshaws has gone through much demolition of older homes, and even the demolishing of "modern" hi-rise flats which, like the Red Road Flats in north Glasgow, were considered to be a miserable experiment in rehousing people from the old tenements...so some of the streets you could be looking for could no longer be there. Eastwood Parish is now part of East Renfrewshire, I believe. Probate Records """Eastwood was under the probate jurisdiction of the Commissary Court of Glasgow until 1823, and since then has been under the Sheriff's Court of Paisley. Probate records for 1513- 1901 are indexed online at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.  You must register on the website but use of the index to probate records, called 'Wills & Testaments,' is free. You may then purchase a copy of the document or, if the document is before 1823, it will be on microfilm at the Family History Library. To find the microfilm numbers, search in the library catalog for the 'Place-names' of Renfrew and the subject of 'Probate records.' Then click on the link to the records of the Commissariat of Glasgow. The library also has some post-1823 probate records for Renfrew.  Look in the library catalog for the 'Place-names' of Renfrew and the subjects of 'Probate Records' and 'Probate Records - Indexes.' Read more about Scotland Probate Records.""" Maisie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- I would appreciate some advice from the many experts on the List. In reviewing various records relating to the birth (1827) and marriage (1848) of an ancestor, I am finding different names for the location. Before I waste a lot of money on SP looking in the wrong parishes, I would like to know whether the following places were the same, or in close proximity in 1827: Campsie, Stirlingshire Kirkintillock Lanarkshire The other group, in 1848: Pollokshaws Eastwood Parish (was/is Pollokshaws in Lanark, Renfrew, or other?  I have found Eastwood described as both Lanark and Renfrew) Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message