Thank you for the information folks: Like a Doomsday Report? Isn't history fascinating? Are fencibles/ swordsmen? Lesmahagow spell check comes up the term Salesmanship? Is Lesmahagow spelled with a "w" or an "e" at the end? Unfortunately Canada Feds, THESE DAYS are not recording anything as they hope to bury their doings. > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 09:42:04 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Cliff. Johnston" [email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 149 > "Now what would the farmers in Lesmahagow use to farm their land?" > It's called a hoe :-) ?But not a 'hoe ;-) > Cliff. ________________________________ > > From: Catt [email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:33 AM > > Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 149 > > Now what would the farmers in Lesmahagow use to farm their land? People pulling > plows or ? > > I guess they would have to cut down more trees to make new carts and wagons > and > make new wheels? > > Which War was in 1797? > > On Wed 11/09/13? 3:01 AM , l > [email protected] sent: > Subject: [Lanark] Lesmahagoe 1797 > Caledonian Mercury February 25, 1797 > The Farmers And Heritors of the parish of Lesmahogow > have unanimously agreed to furnish their carts, horses, &c. (to the > amount of 500) for transporting troops > Every person in the parish of Renfrew having horses (except two tenants and a distiller) has offered them to the Government, to convey troops, &c. > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > ------------------------------ > Message: 3 > > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 13:14:29 -0400 > > From: Jo Ann Croft [email protected]> > Subject: [Lanark] 1797 war > This was part of the series of wars that followed the French Revolution. > > Most of the countries that were monarchies tried to reverse the outcome. > > It then led into the Napoleonic Wars. > > http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/wars_firstcoalition.html > > > Jo-Ann > Which War was in 1797? > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Caledonian Mercury February 25, 1797 > > The terror with which the Irish were filled by the late visit of the > Sans Culottes, seems by no means as yet to be subsided - they are making > very great exertions, however, to give them a warm reception should they > again make their appearance - they have at present for their defense > 30,000 effective Yeomanry, besides their Militia, who are in general the > finest troops in the three kingdoms, and some regiments of fencibles - > also a considerable body of artillery. To every militia regiment are > attached two six pounders, which some of their own men have of late been > taught to work. > > We hear that of eighty thousand colliers and keel men in the vicinity of > > Newcastle, no less than sixty thousand have offered their services in > > case of invasion. > > A letter was received in town yesterday, from the Cape of Good Hope, > > dated the 30th November, which mentions, that we have taken four French > > frigates, and a rich store ship. > ================ > How much of the above was bluster or propaganda to try and demoralize > > the French I can't say > > NB Sans Culottes = name used for the French left wing revolutionaries, > > mostly working class, the common man , you would presume from the above > > that some French raided some port or other in Ireland > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 12/09/2013 17:33, Catt wrote: > > > Now what would the farmers in Lesmahagow use to farm > their land? People pulling > > plows or ? > > > I guess they would have to cut down more trees to make > new carts and wagons and > > make new wheels? > > > Which War was in 1797? > ------------------------------ > Message: 5 > > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 14:48:27 -0700 > > From: "Maisie Egger" ca > [email protected]> > Subject: [Lanark] Fw: Lesmahagoe 1797 > > To: [email protected] > otsweb.com> > Message-ID: [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=response > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Lesmahagoe 1797 > > At the same time, 1790s, the Fifeshire Fencibles (Durham's Fencilbles for > > Sir James Durham, Largo Fife, raised in 1795) were in Co. Kilkenny, > Ireland, > to put down yet another Irish to-do. By 1803 the Fifeshire Fencibles had > > been disbanded and sent back to Scotland, perhaps to embark with another > > unit to thwart the possibility of an invasion. From what I have read, the > > soldiers had to pay their own way back to Scotland from Ireland, leaving > > many disgruntled. I do not know, but I wonder if my forebear decided to > > stay in Co. Kilkenny because of this, after the Fifeshire Fencibles > > disbanded, i.e., as I have copies of the christening of two children to this > Joseph Pope and Margaret McBride in St. Mary's Church of Ireland in 1800 > and08. > Eventually the family ended up in Glasgow, not in Fifeshire where the > > Fencibles were established. Joseph Pope became a shoemaker, but he did not > > live a 'salubrious' life and when he died he was buried in common ground > > (pauper), Glasgow Cathedral grounds, along with dozens of others. I have > > absolutely nothing on his wife Margaret McBride, where she was born or > died. > I am assuming she died in Glasgow, however. > > Robert Burns had a say-so about the French Revolution which almost labeled > > him as a traitor when he attempted to send four colonnades to the French > > Assembly. The later excesses of the French Revolution no doubt reminded > > him of his poem called 'Man was made to mourn: A Dirge in 1784,' > Man was made to mourn: A Dirge Many and sharp the num'rous ills In woven with our frame! More pointed still we make ourselves Regret, remorse, and shame! And man, whose heav'n-erected face The smiles of love adorn, - Man's inhumanity to man Makes countless thousands mourn! In essence, then, there was a lot of wars and petty wars going on in the mid to late 1700s. Maisie > From: Nivard Ovington > > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:23 PM > > To: [email protected] > otsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Lesmahagoe 1797 > > Hi Catt > It was the fear of war or invasion by the French due to revolution in > > France and unrest in Europe > > Various measures were taken to try and make sure that preparations were > > in place for defence and to establish what was available in the way of > > men, arms, transport etc > > Amongst other things there was a militia Act in Scotland in 1797 > Various listings were made to establish what people had to help defend > > or help the military > > Over the next few years there were lists drawn up of who had arms or > > weapons of any sort, what transport was available, horses, animals, feed > > and crops > > Message: 6 > > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 18:16:41 -0400 > > From: Carolyn Perkes [email protected] > videotron.ca> > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Lesmahagoe 1797 > > To: Newsgroup Lanarkshire [email protected] > otsweb.com> > Message-ID: [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > Thanks for posting this, Nivard! > It's always good to put things in context. > Carolyn > > (with folks from Lesmahagow) > On 2013-09-10, at 4:58 AM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Caledonian Mercury February 25, 1797 > > The Farmers And Heritors of the parish of Lesmahogoe > have unanimously > > agreed to furnish their carts, horses, &c. (to the > amount of 500) for > > transporting troops > > > Every person in the parish of Renfrew having horses > (except two tenants > > and a distiller) has offered them to the Government, to > convey troops, &c. > > -- > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Message: 7 > > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 23:44:45 +0100 > > From: "Archie Gilbert" a > [email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 149 > > To: [email protected] > mus.ca>, [email protected] > otsweb.com> > Message-ID: [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > Catt, > > As ever, Britain was at war with France. In 1798 the French landed > > troops in Co Mayo to aid the Irish in the first major rebellion, but were > > defeated at Ballinamuck by General Cornwallis, he of another rebellion ! > > The country was on high alert. My 4XGrGrandfather was a lieutenant in the > > Orkney and Shetland Fencibles, and may have been in Ireland. His sword is > > still in the possession of a cousin in Australia. The Fencibles were a kind > > of Home Guard who were raised in most counties. > > Archie Gilbert