Thank you, Anne. I'm going to do some more studying. Another bit of my genes came from Logie Parish, some from each of the three counties. These genes were only united here in Canada a few generations later. These locations puzzled me for years, but I finally sorted it (slightly). Regarding the Eastwood Parish conundrum, during the discussion of the past couple of days I have come to realize that the different parts of my genes there we actually living quite close to each other and it was just that the civil or church scribes were inconsistent in their descriptions. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne Burgess Sent: 24-Sep-13 9:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Campsie, Kirkintilloch, Pollokshaws, Eastwood Oh, dear, oh dear, such potential for confusion! It is always essential to distinguish between parishes and counties. Parishes are mutually exclusive#, and counties are mutually exclusive, but there are some parishes that extend or once extended into more than one county. There is one that springs to mind that is in three counties - Logie, which is partly in Stirlingshire, partly in Perthshire and partly in Clackmannanshire. #in other words, no individual point can be in more than one parish, or indeed in more than one county. Campsie may have been in the *county* of Dunbarton (aka Dunbartonshire) but it was not in the *parish* of Dumbarton. Kirkintilloch and Cumbernauld are *parishes* which are mostly in the *county* of Dunbarton (aka Dunbartonshire). None of these parishes was ever in the *parish* of Stirling, even if bits of some of them were at one time in the *county* of Stirling (aka Stirlingshire). Forget altogether about 'East Dumbarton' - that is a modern (late 20th century) invention and will only serve to confuse further. There was a massive reorganisation of local authority boundaries in 1975, and a re-reorganisation in 1995, but the historical records are arranged on the basis of the historical counties and parishes. It doesn't help that almost everyone now ignores the parish boundaries - they're not even shown on maps any longer, though they were until around 1970/1980. I try to make a point of always being 100% clear whether I mean a county or a parish, irrespective of whether the source is clear - most primary sources do make the distinction, but some secondary sources, like the IGI, don't. See http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/sct_cmap.html for a valiant attempt to clarify the muddied waters. There are maps of the historic counties, maps of the various boundary changes that took effect in 1890, and for each county there are maps of which parishes are in that county. As for 'probate' - there is ***no such term*** in Scots Law, so to talk about probate in relation to inheritance in Scotland is meaningless. The corresponding process in Scots Law is 'Confirmation' and the books to be consulted are the Calendars of Confirmation. See http://www.nas.gov.uk/guides/wills.asp and do *not* believe what Ancestry says. Anne

Thank you, Anne. I'm going to do some more studying. Another bit of my genes came from Logie Parish, some from each of the three counties. These genes were only united here in Canada a few generations later. These locations puzzled me for years, but I finally sorted it (slightly). Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada ________________________________________________________________________________ Hi Ken, I'm interested in this string about parishes and changes in general But, I'm particularly interested in your connection with Logie parish. I believe Logie parish includes the site of the Wallace Monument (at Causwayhead between Stirling and Bridge of Allan) and the "Logie Kirk" (as it is known locally) is just on the other side of the monument hill. I lived in Bridge of Allan and my father died there. He was interred in the grounds of Logie Kirk at his request and I still don't know how that was accomplished (you probably know that where you die determines where you will probably be buried). I wonder about your connection with the area. Best regards, Alastair Macdonald Brisbane, Australia.