Morning Gail, Absolutely fascinating. According to my uncle's Scotlands DNA report, M222 was described as Ancient Irish and S443 was described as Norse Viking with S142 being Scandinavian and S68 being described as Hebridean Viking. They described S182 as being Norse. I know the whose classification system is constantly evolving and frankly I cannot keep up with it. Regards, Mark -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gail Riddell Sent: 10 October 2013 06:23 To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Genealogy, Lanark, R-M222 I have been following the comments regarding Maisie's thoughts on DNA testing and her genealogy; regarding Cliff and other's offerings, especially now that the Haplogroup R-M222 has been mentioned. I am both a long term old fashioned genealogist but a few years ago, I got involved with DNA testing to bring both proof and truth to my "paper findings". Although it has cost much money to test the many people I needed to test over these years, these tests have revealed information that I could never have gleaned from my paper trails. To this end, I have met (in person and via email) many people deeply involved in Genetic genealogy plus now administer numerous Surname projects with Family Tree DNA - all voluntarily. DNA testing (especially of the men) is so invaluable that prior to my travelling through Lanark and the Lothian areas of Scotland earlier this year seeking further paper trails/proof of my family from those areas, I asked if any male of either the RIDDLE or the RIDDELL surname would be interested in meeting with me and taking a free DNA test. There was utter silence.

Yes, DNA SNP testing and Y-DNA in particular is moving at a frenetic pace. What appeared to be "easy" as an admin a couple of years ago has been overtaken, replaced and overwritten every time I turn around. Consequently, to both keep up and stay aware, not to mention continue to aid the wonderful newcomers to the genetic genealogy scene is taking unbelievable hours. M222 is still in its infancy but with work from such as Susan Hedeen and the eagerly anticipated Scotland DNA 'Chromo 2' results, it may not stay that way for long. But it is the aiding in breaking down those brick walls that keeps me at it. Just today after many emails attempting to convince someone to test her father's Y-DNA, his initial results have started to arrive. Immediately I could tell exactly whose family he belonged to and when all his results are in, he will find I can take him back in his genealogy much further than his brick wall that he has faced for umpteen years, as well as put him in contact with descendants of their common progenitor. (This, to me is genetic genealogy working properly. And as a voluntary Administrator, this keeps me enthusiastic). I already know the progenitor was of Scottish descent 400 years ago but what I still don't know for certain is whether the family was Lanark based. (I need to wait for the remainder of the results because Y-12 is merely indicative and certainly not proof, in order to make absolutely certain they are not false indicators which can sometimes happen in the R1b1a2 clade). To get the proof I need, I wish that Lanark based Riddles or Riddells would take up my free Y-DNA offer. I have combed all the available parish records for the details / paper trails but either the births were not registered or the marriages were not registered or the paper trail was destroyed and so Y-DNA testing is the only option now available. Gail Riddell On 10/10/2013, at 7:09 PM, Mark Sutherland-Fisher (HFH) wrote: > Morning Gail, > Absolutely fascinating. According to my uncle's Scotlands DNA report, M222 > was described as Ancient Irish and S443 was described as Norse Viking with > S142 being Scandinavian and S68 being described as Hebridean Viking. They > described S182 as being Norse. I know the whose classification system is > constantly evolving and frankly I cannot keep up with it. > Regards, > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Gail Riddell > Sent: 10 October 2013 06:23 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Lanark] Genealogy, Lanark, R-M222 > > I have been following the comments regarding Maisie's thoughts on DNA > testing and her genealogy; regarding Cliff and other's offerings, especially > now that the Haplogroup R-M222 has been mentioned. > > I am both a long term old fashioned genealogist but a few years ago, I got > involved with DNA testing to bring both proof and truth to my "paper > findings". Although it has cost much money to test the many people I needed > to test over these years, these tests have revealed information that I could > never have gleaned from my paper trails. > > To this end, I have met (in person and via email) many people deeply > involved in Genetic genealogy plus now administer numerous Surname projects > with Family Tree DNA - all voluntarily. > > DNA testing (especially of the men) is so invaluable that prior to my > travelling through Lanark and the Lothian areas of Scotland earlier this > year seeking further paper trails/proof of my family from those areas, I > asked if any male of either the RIDDLE or the RIDDELL surname would be > interested in meeting with me and taking a free DNA test. There was utter > silence. > >