I'm in HUGE DENIAL, Frank, not wishing to insult you, but this connection to Ireland does not impress me as any resources I've found so far indicate that my lot most likely originated in York...of Viking stock perhaps! I wrote Cliff that it is altogether too complicated to get my head around. Maybe the male brain is more receptive, for why else the DNA test is "male dominated?" I know, there is some testing for the female side, but that's for another day. The huge IF is that IF your DNA rooted in Ireland is the same as mine, does this mean that "somebody" pollinated the same "flowers?" See, I really don't know what I am talking about. Maisie -----Original Message----- From: Frank Mcgonigal Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:34 PM To: Cliff. Johnston ; Maisie Egger ; [email protected] Subject: RE: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 165 Does it signify anything that I have the same as Maisie ? Y-DNA R1b1a2a1a1b4b Shorthand R-M222 mtDNA V Frank McGonigal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 14:32:36 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 165 > > Maisie and I have been going over her Y-DNA information off-group > privately. She has a wealth of information in her 12 markers! I've gone > over it with her, and we would like to share the general gist of it as > follows, in the hopes that it may help someone else - great gal that > Maisie! > > The red copy added to the Haplogroup entries are my additions to some of > the information that FTDNA provided for Maisie. I hope that the copy > shows up in red - if not it is the copy right after each Haplogroup entry, > i.e.: "Maisie - 12 Markers Test" > Exact Match > Haplogroup Country Comment Count > R1b1 - Maisie - 12 Markers Test Scotland - 2 > R1b1 - Unknown Person - 12 Markers Test Unknown Origin - 1 > R1b1a2– Probable 25 Marker Test Unknown Origin - 1 > R1b1a2a1a1b4 – Probable 37 Markers England - 1 > R1b1a2a1a1b4b – Probable 67 Markers Test England - 1 > R1b1a2a1a1b4b – Probable 67 Markers Test Germany - 1 > R1b1a2a1a1b4b – Probable 67 Markers Test Ireland - 11 > R1b1a2a1a1b4b – Probable 67 Markers Test Northern Ireland - 1 > R1b1a2a1a1b4b – Probable 67 MarkersTest Scotland - 5 > R1b1a2a1a1b4b – Probable 67 MarkersTest United Kingdom - 3 > R1b1a2a1a1b4b – Probable 67 MarkersTest Unknown Origin - 9 > > From what we can see here, Maisie may have at least 22 Haplogroup matches > that will probably be within genealogical time – good deal! > > The interpretation that may be the most obvious here is that her genetic > predecessor started in Europe and moved to the British Isles, Ireland more > specifically. His genes mutated to give us the modern day haplogroup > R1b1a2a1a1b4b. Over the years some of this group moved on to England and > Scotland. Of course this could be just as easily interpreted in several > other ways with the genetic predecessor starting in any of the above > mentioned countries and the only group that really flourished was in > Ireland; however, Ireland was typically the last stop at the end of a > journey from mainland Europe. > > With most of the Matches being of Irish origin all of the different Irish > surnames do not surprise me. I have worked with my wife’s side of the > family, Casey of Co. Cork, and I have found much the same thing there. > Maisie's main line would have started in one town or farm area in Ireland. > As their numbers grew the land could not support all of them. Some moved > on to greener pastures, so to speak. When they moved to a new area they > would typically have taken the surname of their local protector – ergo! > We have the reason for all of the different surnames in the Matches > section of FTDNA. Typically I have seen a lot of surname changes in > Ireland within the various Celtic haplogroups. They apparently moved > around quite a bit. > > The only way that Maisie going to be able to track this down quickly and > more precisely is to upgrade to at least 37 markers, and realistically she > will probably want to upgrade to 67 markers after that. At least this has > been my experience. Maisie has one other strong factor in her favor, many > of those who match her have posted their contact information so that she > can email them easily J The trick will be to not get hung up looking for > just one surname, Clint. She need to look for genetic relatedness. What > are her chances of finding useable matches? Excellent, I would say. The > next step is up to her – and of course I will be here to help Maisie > figure out what to do next – God willing J We've been rubbing shoulders on > the internet for so long that I swear that some days I feel as if she is > kin and right next door :-) Would you like a cuppa, Maisie? > > Good hunting, > > Cliff. > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message =