Morning Frank, If your Haplogroup is M222 it implies your male ancestry is from Northern Ireland/West of Scotland and is among the most dominant groups within the Irish and Scottish populations. This will probably be the most dominant Haplogroup of the modern day population of Lanarkshire, Glasgow and West-Central Scotland in general owing to the mass immigration from Ireland to Scotland from the early 1800s. Cheers Mark -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frank Mcgonigal Sent: 09 October 2013 00:34, To: Cliff. Johnston; Maisie Egger; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 165 Does it signify anything that I have the same as Maisie ? Y-DNA R1b1a2a1a1b4b Shorthand R-M222 mtDNA V Frank McGonigal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   > Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 14:32:36 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 165 > > Maisie and I have been going over her Y-DNA information off-group privately.  She has a wealth of information in her 12 markers!  I've gone over it with her, and we would like to share the general gist of it as follows, in the hopes that it may help someone else - great gal that Maisie! >   > The red copy added to the Haplogroup entries are my additions to some of the information that FTDNA provided for Maisie.  I hope that the copy shows up in red - if not it is the copy right after each Haplogroup entry, i.e.:  "Maisie - 12 Markers Test" >  Exact Match > Haplogroup Country Comment Count > R1b1 - Maisie - 12 Markers Test Scotland - 2 > R1b1 - Unknown Person - 12 Markers Test Unknown Origin - 1 R1b1a2– > Probable 25 Marker Test Unknown Origin - 1 > R1b1a2a1a1b4 – Probable 37 Markers England - 1 R1b1a2a1a1b4b – > Probable 67 Markers Test England - 1 R1b1a2a1a1b4b – Probable 67 > Markers Test Germany - 1 R1b1a2a1a1b4b – Probable 67 Markers Test > Ireland - 11 R1b1a2a1a1b4b – Probable 67 Markers Test Northern Ireland > - 1 R1b1a2a1a1b4b – Probable 67 MarkersTest Scotland - 5 R1b1a2a1a1b4b > – Probable 67 MarkersTest United Kingdom - 3 R1b1a2a1a1b4b – Probable > 67 MarkersTest Unknown Origin - 9 > > From what we can see here, Maisie may have at least 22 Haplogroup matches that will probably be within genealogical time – good deal! >   > The interpretation that may be the most obvious here is that her > genetic predecessor started in Europe and moved to the British Isles, Ireland more specifically.  His genes mutated to give us the modern day haplogroup R1b1a2a1a1b4b.  Over the years some of this group moved on to England and Scotland.  Of course this could be just as easily interpreted in several other ways with the genetic predecessor starting in any of the above mentioned countries and the only group that really flourished was in Ireland; however, Ireland was typically the last stop at the end of a journey from mainland Europe. >   > With most of the Matches being of Irish origin all of the different Irish surnames do not surprise me.  I have worked with my wife’s side of the family, Casey of Co. Cork, and I have found much the same thing there.  Maisie's main line would have started in one town or farm area in Ireland.  As their numbers grew the land could not support all of them.  Some moved on to greener pastures, so to speak.  When they moved to a new area they would typically have taken the surname of their local protector – ergo!  We have the reason for all of the different surnames in the Matches section of FTDNA.  Typically I have seen a lot of surname changes in Ireland within the various Celtic haplogroups.  They apparently moved around quite a bit. >   > The only way that Maisie going to be able to track this down quickly and more precisely is to upgrade to at least 37 markers, and realistically she will probably want to upgrade to 67 markers after that.  At least this has been my experience.  Maisie has one other strong factor in her favor, many of those who match her have posted their contact information so that she can email them easily J  The trick will be to not get hung up looking for just one surname, Clint.  She need to look for genetic relatedness.  What are her chances of finding useable matches?  Excellent, I would say.  The next step is up to her – and of course I will be here to help Maisie figure out what to do next – God willing J We've been rubbing shoulders on the internet for so long that I swear that some days I feel as if she is kin and right next door :-)  Would you like a cuppa, Maisie? >   > Good hunting, >   > Cliff. > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. 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Hi MarkThanks for your input.Like Maisie I'm confused about this new science as applied to Genealogy. I had already deduced from various sources that I belong to the Northern Ireland group..McGonigal is also supposed to be of Milesian origin.My Irish ancestors did indeed come from Northern Ireland..my Scottish half is McColls from Isle of Mull,and my Dewars are from the Lothians.I gather from what you say that Maisie and I belong to the very large M222 group,but we can't say that we're related in recent times.I have done the YDNA 111 marker test and Maisies Clints etc. don't appear there.They don't turn up in the 23andMe which I also had done. I have had two successes with YDNA...one was my adopted brother,whose son wanted me to find living relatives.Luckily someone who matched his YDNA had tested with FamilyTreeDNA,they were MacDonalds with ties to the Glencoe MacDonalds..the person he matched was living in BC Canada.Comparing photos of them both they look like brothers. Thanks Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: RE: [Lanark] Common Haplogroup in Lanark > Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 07:31:44 +0100 > > Morning Frank, > If your Haplogroup is M222 it implies your male ancestry is from Northern > Ireland/West of Scotland and is among the most dominant groups within the > Irish and Scottish populations. This will probably be the most dominant > Haplogroup of the modern day population of Lanarkshire, Glasgow and > West-Central Scotland in general owing to the mass immigration from Ireland > to Scotland from the early 1800s. > Cheers > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Frank Mcgonigal > Sent: 09 October 2013 00:34, > To: Cliff. Johnston; Maisie Egger; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 165 > > Does it signify anything that I have the same as Maisie ? > > Y-DNA R1b1a2a1a1b4b Shorthand R-M222 > mtDNA V > > Frank McGonigal > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 14:32:36 -0700 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 165 > > > > Maisie and I have been going over her Y-DNA information off-group > privately. She has a wealth of information in her 12 markers! I've gone > over it with her, and we would like to share the general gist of it as > follows, in the hopes that it may help someone else - great gal that Maisie! > > > > The red copy added to the Haplogroup entries are my additions to some of > the information that FTDNA provided for Maisie. I hope that the copy shows > up in red - if not it is the copy right after each Haplogroup entry, i.e.: > "Maisie - 12 Markers Test" > > Exact Match > > Haplogroup Country Comment Count > > R1b1 - Maisie - 12 Markers Test Scotland - 2 > > R1b1 - Unknown Person - 12 Markers Test Unknown Origin - 1 R1b1a2– > > Probable 25 Marker Test Unknown Origin - 1 > > R1b1a2a1a1b4 – Probable 37 Markers England - 1 R1b1a2a1a1b4b – > > Probable 67 Markers Test England - 1 R1b1a2a1a1b4b – Probable 67 > > Markers Test Germany - 1 R1b1a2a1a1b4b – Probable 67 Markers Test > > Ireland - 11 R1b1a2a1a1b4b – Probable 67 Markers Test Northern Ireland > > - 1 R1b1a2a1a1b4b – Probable 67 MarkersTest Scotland - 5 R1b1a2a1a1b4b > > – Probable 67 MarkersTest United Kingdom - 3 R1b1a2a1a1b4b – Probable > > 67 MarkersTest Unknown Origin - 9 > > > > From what we can see here, Maisie may have at least 22 Haplogroup matches > that will probably be within genealogical time – good deal! > > > > The interpretation that may be the most obvious here is that her > > genetic predecessor started in Europe and moved to the British Isles, > Ireland more specifically. His genes mutated to give us the modern day > haplogroup R1b1a2a1a1b4b. Over the years some of this group moved on to > England and Scotland. Of course this could be just as easily interpreted in > several other ways with the genetic predecessor starting in any of the above > mentioned countries and the only group that really flourished was in > Ireland; however, Ireland was typically the last stop at the end of > a journey from mainland Europe. > > > > With most of the Matches being of Irish origin all of the different Irish > surnames do not surprise me. I have worked with my wife’s side of the > family, Casey of Co. Cork, and I have found much the same thing > there. Maisie's main line would have started in one town or farm area in > Ireland. As their numbers grew the land could not support all of them. > Some moved on to greener pastures, so to speak. When they moved to a new > area they would typically have taken the surname of their local protector – > ergo! We have the reason for all of the different surnames in the Matches > section of FTDNA. Typically I have seen a lot of surname changes in Ireland > within the various Celtic haplogroups. They apparently moved around quite a > bit. > > > > The only way that Maisie going to be able to track this down quickly and > more precisely is to upgrade to at least 37 markers, and realistically she > will probably want to upgrade to 67 markers after that. At least this has > been my experience. Maisie has one other strong factor in her favor, many > of those who match her have posted their contact information so that she can > email them easily J The trick will be to not get hung up looking for just > one surname, Clint. She need to look for genetic relatedness. What are her > chances of finding useable matches? Excellent, I would say. The next step > is up to her – and of course I will be here to help Maisie figure out what > to do next – God willing J We've been rubbing shoulders on the internet for > so long that I swear that some days I feel as if she is kin and right > next door :-) Would you like a cuppa, Maisie? > > > > Good hunting, > > > > Cliff. > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on > the following link to the list information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. > Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >