Mark, My Forrest haplogroup is M-222, but my ancestors have been in the Carluke region since at least the early 1700s and probably much earlier. Its quite possible that they came from Dal Riata, an Irish kingdom including modern day Argyleshire dating back to AD 500. If so, they may have come to Lanarkshire ( the kingdom of Strathclyde) well before the use of surnames became common. Of the 50 Forrests which have joined FTDNA there are 8 distinct groups. I suppose that this isn't surprising since it is obviously a name based on occupation or possibly location. Regards, Fraser Forrest Ontario, Canada On 10/9/2013 2:31 AM, Mark Sutherland-Fisher (HFH) wrote: > Morning Frank, > If your Haplogroup is M222 it implies your male ancestry is from Northern > Ireland/West of Scotland and is among the most dominant groups within the > Irish and Scottish populations. This will probably be the most dominant > Haplogroup of the modern day population of Lanarkshire, Glasgow and > West-Central Scotland in general owing to the mass immigration from Ireland > to Scotland from the early 1800s. > Cheers > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Frank Mcgonigal > Sent: 09 October 2013 00:34, > To: Cliff. Johnston; Maisie Egger; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 165 > > Does it signify anything that I have the same as Maisie ? > > Y-DNA R1b1a2a1a1b4b Shorthand R-M222 > mtDNA V > > Frank McGonigal > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > >> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 14:32:36 -0700 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Lanark] LANARK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 165 >> >> Maisie and I have been going over her Y-DNA information off-group > privately. She has a wealth of information in her 12 markers! I've gone > over it with her, and we would like to share the general gist of it as > follows, in the hopes that it may help someone else - great gal that Maisie! >> >> The red copy added to the Haplogroup entries are my additions to some of > the information that FTDNA provided for Maisie. I hope that the copy shows > up in red - if not it is the copy right after each Haplogroup entry, i.e.: > "Maisie - 12 Markers Test" >> Exact Match >> Haplogroup Country Comment Count >> R1b1 - Maisie - 12 Markers Test Scotland - 2 >> R1b1 - Unknown Person - 12 Markers Test Unknown Origin - 1 R1b1a2– >> Probable 25 Marker Test Unknown Origin - 1 >> R1b1a2a1a1b4 – Probable 37 Markers England - 1 R1b1a2a1a1b4b – >> Probable 67 Markers Test England - 1 R1b1a2a1a1b4b – Probable 67 >> Markers Test Germany - 1 R1b1a2a1a1b4b – Probable 67 Markers Test >> Ireland - 11 R1b1a2a1a1b4b – Probable 67 Markers Test Northern Ireland >> - 1 R1b1a2a1a1b4b – Probable 67 MarkersTest Scotland - 5 R1b1a2a1a1b4b >> – Probable 67 MarkersTest United Kingdom - 3 R1b1a2a1a1b4b – Probable >> 67 MarkersTest Unknown Origin - 9 >> >> From what we can see here, Maisie may have at least 22 Haplogroup matches > that will probably be within genealogical time – good deal! >> >> The interpretation that may be the most obvious here is that her >> genetic predecessor started in Europe and moved to the British Isles, > Ireland more specifically. His genes mutated to give us the modern day > haplogroup R1b1a2a1a1b4b. Over the years some of this group moved on to > England and Scotland. Of course this could be just as easily interpreted in > several other ways with the genetic predecessor starting in any of the above > mentioned countries and the only group that really flourished was in > Ireland; however, Ireland was typically the last stop at the end of > a journey from mainland Europe. >> >> With most of the Matches being of Irish origin all of the different Irish > surnames do not surprise me. I have worked with my wife’s side of the > family, Casey of Co. Cork, and I have found much the same thing > there. Maisie's main line would have started in one town or farm area in > Ireland. As their numbers grew the land could not support all of them. > Some moved on to greener pastures, so to speak. When they moved to a new > area they would typically have taken the surname of their local protector – > ergo! We have the reason for all of the different surnames in the Matches > section of FTDNA. Typically I have seen a lot of surname changes in Ireland > within the various Celtic haplogroups. They apparently moved around quite a > bit. >> >> The only way that Maisie going to be able to track this down quickly and > more precisely is to upgrade to at least 37 markers, and realistically she > will probably want to upgrade to 67 markers after that. At least this has > been my experience. Maisie has one other strong factor in her favor, many > of those who match her have posted their contact information so that she can > email them easily J The trick will be to not get hung up looking for just > one surname, Clint. She need to look for genetic relatedness. What are her > chances of finding useable matches? Excellent, I would say. The next step > is up to her – and of course I will be here to help Maisie figure out what > to do next – God willing J We've been rubbing shoulders on the internet for > so long that I swear that some days I feel as if she is kin and right > next door :-) Would you like a cuppa, Maisie? >> >> Good hunting, >> >> Cliff. >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier > message. 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Hi FraserMartha Forrest who married into one of my DEWAR lines. Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada. Descendants of William Forrest 1 William Forrest .. +Euphemia Reid ..... 2 Jean Forrest 1821 - ..... 2 Isabel Forrest 1825 - ..... 2 Martha Forrest 1829 - 1891 ......... +Robert Dewar 1826 - 1889 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 12:00:32 -0400 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Common Haplogroup in Lanark > > Mark, > My Forrest haplogroup is M-222, but my ancestors have been in the > Carluke region since at least the early 1700s and probably much earlier. > Its quite possible that they came from Dal Riata, an Irish kingdom > including modern day Argyleshire dating back to AD 500. If so, they may > have come to Lanarkshire ( the kingdom of Strathclyde) well before the > use of surnames became common. Of the 50 Forrests which have joined > FTDNA there are 8 distinct groups. I suppose that this isn't surprising > since it is obviously a name based on occupation or possibly location. > Regards, > Fraser Forrest > Ontario, Canada > > ~~~~