I too have a sister in law with Russian Jewish heritage who is a fair-skinned redhead. I find this conversation interesting! Haven't I heard someplace that Celts come from Central Europe, near/in Hungary? Or did the Vikings simply penetrate that far, via the rivers? Btw, the French word "normand" is related to Northmen, or Norsemen, a tip of the hat to their Viking roots. And it was a Norman, Guillaume le Conquerant, aka William the Conqueror, who defeated Harold in 1066 and began the latinization of the English language. Message: 9 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:23:01 -0500 From: Carolyn Perkes <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Lanark] Viking red-haired roots To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Well, I don't know what to say. My grandfather, mother's father, born in Essex England, had red hair and freckles. Didn't pass those genes (or that gene) on to his immediate descendants, most of whom had/have brown hair. My sister-in-law with Jewish eastern European and Icelandic roots has red hair and freckles. My daughter has Jewish eastern European and Icelandic roots and she is a blonde. But then my dad, who was English and Scottish, was also a blond. None of my immediate Scottish relatives had red hair or freckles. Carole Kenney Upper Merion Supervisor Upper Merion Tricentennial Year 2013 "Preserving the Past, Shaping the Future" On Nov 30, 2013, at 12:27 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:23:01 -0500 > From: Carolyn Perkes <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Viking red-haired roots > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > Well, I don't know what to say. My grandfather, mother's father, born in Essex England, had red hair and freckles. Didn't pass those genes (or that gene) on to his immediate descendants, most of whom had/have brown hair. > > My sister-in-law with Jewish eastern European and Icelandic roots has red hair and freckles. > > My daughter has Jewish eastern European and Icelandic roots and she is a blonde. But then my dad, who was English and Scottish, was also a blond. > > None of my immediate Scottish relatives had red hair or freckles.

My brother's small 1700 or so year old north Germanic haplogroup I1 STR marker cluster contains a Jewish family. Have you all never heard of a nonpaternity event? (No, probably not, because you insist on thinking that only Vikings had red hair. Y'all sound like my mother insisting that she knew where I got this and that; it was quite a surprise to find that I got half the known genes for asthma from both of my parents.) They were particularly common among Jews, just as among American Blacks, on account of the high historical level of abuse against these people. Among Jews, that is a theory of why in an intensely patriarchal culture, Jewish identity is reckoned through the mother. The paternal line can't be relied on to be Jewish. When I was studying to convert to Judaism, one of my rabbis had a red headed wife. I never even wondered. Certainly didn't ask. Answer is probably buried in history, and if it isn't, they SURE wouldn't want it noticed. The Vikings did penetrate the river system of western Russia. Germanic people settled all over eastern Europe and the southwestern Asian steppes. Dora -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 11:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Red hair I too have a sister in law with Russian Jewish heritage who is a fair-skinned redhead. I find this conversation interesting! Haven't I heard someplace that Celts come from Central Europe, near/in Hungary? Or did the Vikings simply penetrate that far, via the rivers? Btw, the French word "normand" is related to Northmen, or Norsemen, a tip of the hat to their Viking roots. And it was a Norman, Guillaume le Conquerant, aka William the Conqueror, who defeated Harold in 1066 and began the latinization of the English language. Message: 9 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:23:01 -0500 From: Carolyn Perkes <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Lanark] Viking red-haired roots To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Well, I don't know what to say. My grandfather, mother's father, born in Essex England, had red hair and freckles. Didn't pass those genes (or that gene) on to his immediate descendants, most of whom had/have brown hair. My sister-in-law with Jewish eastern European and Icelandic roots has red hair and freckles. My daughter has Jewish eastern European and Icelandic roots and she is a blonde. But then my dad, who was English and Scottish, was also a blond. None of my immediate Scottish relatives had red hair or freckles. Carole Kenney Upper Merion Supervisor Upper Merion Tricentennial Year 2013 "Preserving the Past, Shaping the Future" On Nov 30, 2013, at 12:27 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:23:01 -0500 > From: Carolyn Perkes <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Viking red-haired roots > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > Well, I don't know what to say. My grandfather, mother's father, born in > Essex England, had red hair and freckles. Didn't pass those genes (or that > gene) on to his immediate descendants, most of whom had/have brown hair. > > My sister-in-law with Jewish eastern European and Icelandic roots has red > hair and freckles. > > My daughter has Jewish eastern European and Icelandic roots and she is a > blonde. But then my dad, who was English and Scottish, was also a blond. > > None of my immediate Scottish relatives had red hair or freckles. ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com