Hello, all, How do I keep my “cool?” When I pooh-pooh a friends’ claims that he’s descended from kings and queens back to the year dot, he insists that he has documentation to prove it. It drives me crackers as his latest assertion is that he is related to Margaret of Wessex, England, who was actually born in Hungary where the family was exiled, who then became Queen Margaret of Scotland when she married the rascally Malcolm !!!, and then Saint Margaret of Scotland (the only Scottish saint). Margaret is the one responsible for reforming the religious practices of the church in Scotland at that time to conform to those of Rome. She was canonised 1250. She was born ca 1045 and died at Edinburgh Castle 1093 a couple of days after her husband Malcolm III (Canmore=Bighead) and son Edward were killed at the Battle of Alnwick, Northumbria (England). Margaret and Malcolm III had eight children, three of whom would become kings of Scotland: Edgar 1097-1107: Alexander I 1107-1124: David 1 1124-1153. It is from David I that my friend claims lineage through this so-called royal line. Really! We now travel back in time for more of his braggadocio to 500-589 to David, Welsh bishop, who later became St. David, patron saint of Wales (St. Andrew is the patron saint of Scotland; St. George patron saint of England of St. George and the Dragon myth, then add on St. Patrick, each with his respective cross to make up the Union flag/jack, but somehow St. David was not included!). There is nothing that I could glean from Google that this David of Wales, who founded many monasteries, left any progeny. The Welsh church refused the Roman rite into the 8th century, so it is assumed that prior to that maybe some of the monks/religious may not have been celibate. My friend is trying to tell me he’s from this St. David. Really again! All this potted history, with no direct connection to Lanark, to ask...again...where does my American friend come up with this “stuff,” and better yet, where does he find the documentation? He is aligned with the LDS/Mormon church and I believe it is a requirement of this group that one does one’s family tree. My friend is definitely an ordinary Joe blow with not one penny to rub against the other, so he is not a “reincarnated” royal living in a pseudo castle...anything but. When he trots out all this “stuff,” I do become irked as I’m not sure whether he is being naïve in swallowing all these “facts,” or if he actually believes them. He is a brilliant person otherwise. The farthest back I’ve landed on a limb of my tree was in the mid-1600s and they were the English, with the Irish born in the late 1700s who appeared in Glasgow in the early 1800s, whilst the Scottish born and bred ones, mainly from Lanarkshire south to the English border, surface in the early 1700s. I mean, their roots have to go back and back, of course, but I haven’t found documentation of such as yet. How the harry heck does this friend get back to the 6th century when I can’t even find my great-great-grandfather’s father when he was born in the 1790s? Plus, to irk me even more, New Register House cannot find a little book of banns where I was so excited to find the banns recorded for this great-great-grandfather of mine and his wife. In the interim, the book apparently has not been digitised, and even if it were to be found (it apparently has done a disappearing trick!), it will no longer be accessible to the public. YET, my friend says he has documentation that he belongs to David 1 of Scotland and St. David of Wales. Groan!!! Maisie

Hi, Maisie-- What a coincidence! I'm descended from that lot as well. I don't have any documentation, of course, but given that the number of ancestors I have that far back exceeds the population of the world at that time by many, many times, it seems a reasonable inference. As for the documentation--all you have to do is connect to someone somewhere who has a title. It was a habit for monarchs when they were short of cash to grant titles to rich supporters (sometimes against their will). These supporters would then have to go to the pedigree monger down the street to cobble together a plausible family tree, so they could show they really, really deserved such an award and it wasn't just because of their generosity to the king. You can tell your friend that in all likelihood he's descended not only from St. David but from Odin. Odin is the endpoint of many royal pedigrees. I'm not sure of what documentation you'd find for that, but maybe it's on Scotland's People. :-) As for keeping your cool--when you consider your friend, just think of a potato. You know, the vegetable that has the best part under the earth? Jim Polson Vancouver > Hello, all, > > How do I keep my "cool?" > > When I pooh-pooh a friendsŽ claims that heŽs descended from kings and queens back to the year dot, he insists that he has documentation to prove it. It drives me crackers as his latest assertion is that he is related to Margaret of Wessex, England, who was actually born in Hungary where the family was exiled, who then became Queen Margaret of Scotland whe she married th rascally Malcolm !!!, and then Saint Margaret of Scotland (the only Scottish saint). Margaret is the one responsible for reforming the religious practices of the church in Scotland at that time to conform to those of Rome. She was canonised 1250. > > She was born ca 1045 and died at Edinburgh Castle 1093 a couple of days after her husband Malcolm III (Canmore=Bighead) and son Edward were killed at the Battle of Alnwick, Northumbria (England). > > Margaret and Malcolm III had eight children, three of whom would become kings of Scotland: Edgar 1097-1107: Alexander I 1107-1124: David 1 1124-1153. > > It is from David I that my friend claims lineage through this so-called royal line. Really! > > We now travel back in time for more of his braggadocio to 500-589 to David, Welsh bishop, who later became St. David, patron saint of Wales (St. Andrew is the patron saint of Scotland; St. George patron saint of England of St. George and the Dragon myth, then add on St. Patrick, each with his respective cross to make up the Union flag/jack, but somehow St. David was not included!). There is nothing that I could glean from Google that this David of Wales, who founded many monasteries, left any progeny. The Welsh church refused the Roman rite into the 8th century, so it is assumed that prior to that maybe some of the monks/religious may not have been celibate. My friend is trying to tell me heTMs from this St. David. Really again! > > All this potted history, with no direct connection to Lanark, to ask...again...where does my American friend come up with this "stuff," and better yet, where does he find the documentation? He is aligned with the LDS/Mormon church and I believe it is a requirement of this group that one does oneŽs family tree. My friend is definitely an ordinary Joe blow with not one penny to rub against the other, so he is not a oereincarnated royal living in a pseudo astle..anything but. > > When he trots out all this "stuff," I do become irked as IŽm not sure whether he is being naïve in swallowing all these "facts," or if he actually believes them. He is a brilliant person otherwise. The farthest back IŽve landed on a limb of my tree was in the mid-1600s and hey were the English, with the Irish born in the late 1700s who appeared in Glasgw in te early 1800s, whilst te Scottish born and bred ones, mainly from Lanarkshire south o the nglish border, surface in the early 1700s. I mean, their roots have to go back and back, o course, but I havenTMt found documentation of such as yet. > > How the harry heck does this friend get back to the 6th century when I canŽt even find my great-great-grandfatherŽs father when he was born in the 1790s? Plus, to irk me even more, New Register House cannot find a little book of banns where I was so excited to find the banns recorded for this great-great-grandfather of mine and his wife. In the interim, the book apparently has not been digitised, and even if it were to be found (it apparetly has done a disappearing trick!), it will no longer be accessible to the public. YET, my friend says he has documentation that he belongs to David 1 of Scotland and St. David of Wales. Groan!!! > > Maisie

Someone needs a glass or two of wine and move on. I trust your kingly friend does not have a family to carry on the tradition. And, as for that mysterious book you have two options. Go to Edinburgh or hire a professional researcher. Btw Maisie, my line goes back to Gorg some 40,231 years ago in northern Spain. He was an accountant married to Sheila and lived in a flat. Don -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Joe Blow goes back to the 6th century---really! Hello, all, How do I keep my cool? When I pooh-pooh a friends claims that hes descended from kings and queens back to the year dot, he insists that he has documentation to prove it. It drives me crackers as his latest assertion is that he is related to Margaret of Wessex, England, who was actually born in Hungary where the family was exiled, who then became Queen Margaret of Scotland when she married the rascally Malcolm !!!, and then Saint Margaret of Scotland (the only Scottish saint). Margaret is the one responsible for reforming the religious practices of the church in Scotland at that time to conform to those of Rome. She was canonised 1250. She was born ca 1045 and died at Edinburgh Castle 1093 a couple of days after her husband Malcolm III (Canmore=Bighead) and son Edward were killed at the Battle of Alnwick, Northumbria (England). Margaret and Malcolm III had eight children, three of whom would become kings of Scotland: Edgar 1097-1107: Alexander I 1107-1124: David 1 1124-1153. It is from David I that my friend claims lineage through this so-called royal line. Really! We now travel back in time for more of his braggadocio to 500-589 to David, Welsh bishop, who later became St. David, patron saint of Wales (St. Andrew is the patron saint of Scotland; St. George patron saint of England of St. George and the Dragon myth, then add on St. Patrick, each with his respective cross to make up the Union flag/jack, but somehow St. David was not included!). There is nothing that I could glean from Google that this David of Wales, who founded many monasteries, left any progeny. The Welsh church refused the Roman rite into the 8th century, so it is assumed that prior to that maybe some of the monks/religious may not have been celibate. My friend is trying to tell me hes from this St. David. Really again! All this potted history, with no direct connection to Lanark, to ask...again...where does my American friend come up with this stuff, and better yet, where does he find the documentation? He is aligned with the LDS/Mormon church and I believe it is a requirement of this group that one does ones family tree. My friend is definitely an ordinary Joe blow with not one penny to rub against the other, so he is not a reincarnated royal living in a pseudo castle...anything but. When he trots out all this stuff, I do become irked as Im not sure whether he is being nave in swallowing all these facts, or if he actually believes them. He is a brilliant person otherwise. The farthest back Ive landed on a limb of my tree was in the mid-1600s and they were the English, with the Irish born in the late 1700s who appeared in Glasgow in the early 1800s, whilst the Scottish born and bred ones, mainly from Lanarkshire south to the English border, surface in the early 1700s. I mean, their roots have to go back and back, of course, but I havent found documentation of such as yet. How the harry heck does this friend get back to the 6th century when I cant even find my great-great-grandfathers father when he was born in the 1790s? Plus, to irk me even more, New Register House cannot find a little book of banns where I was so excited to find the banns recorded for this great-great-grandfather of mine and his wife. In the interim, the book apparently has not been digitised, and even if it were to be found (it apparently has done a disappearing trick!), it will no longer be accessible to the public. YET, my friend says he has documentation that he belongs to David 1 of Scotland and St. David of Wales. Groan!!! Maisie ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maisie, Someone researching some of the same lines in my mother's family assured me that my maternal ancestors can be traced to Odo of Bayeux (clearly illustrated in the tapestry of Bayeux and half-brother of William the Conquerer) and furthermore, to a Roman senator, circa 45 B.C.E.!!! As for the Caithness and Sutherland ancestors of my Lanark ancestors, I guess some of them could have come from Norway, but I don't have any male relatives who could test for DNA to confirm that. In the end, I agree with Don about enjoying an aperitif. :-) Carolyn On 2013-11-02, at 1:07 PM, Maisie Egger wrote: > Hello, all, > > How do I keep my “cool?” > > When I pooh-pooh a friends’ claims that he’s descended from kings and queens back to the year dot, he insists that he has documentation to prove it. It drives me crackers as his latest assertion is that he is related to Margaret of Wessex, England, who was actually born in Hungary where the family was exiled, who then became Queen Margaret of Scotland when she married the rascally Malcolm !!!, and then Saint Margaret of Scotland (the only Scottish saint). Margaret is the one responsible for reforming the religious practices of the church in Scotland at that time to conform to those of Rome. She was canonised 1250. > > She was born ca 1045 and died at Edinburgh Castle 1093 a couple of days after her husband Malcolm III (Canmore=Bighead) and son Edward were killed at the Battle of Alnwick, Northumbria (England). > > Margaret and Malcolm III had eight children, three of whom would become kings of Scotland: Edgar 1097-1107: Alexander I 1107-1124: David 1 1124-1153. > > It is from David I that my friend claims lineage through this so-called royal line. Really! > > We now travel back in time for more of his braggadocio to 500-589 to David, Welsh bishop, who later became St. David, patron saint of Wales (St. Andrew is the patron saint of Scotland; St. George patron saint of England of St. George and the Dragon myth, then add on St. Patrick, each with his respective cross to make up the Union flag/jack, but somehow St. David was not included!). There is nothing that I could glean from Google that this David of Wales, who founded many monasteries, left any progeny. The Welsh church refused the Roman rite into the 8th century, so it is assumed that prior to that maybe some of the monks/religious may not have been celibate. My friend is trying to tell me he’s from this St. David. Really again! > > All this potted history, with no direct connection to Lanark, to ask...again...where does my American friend come up with this “stuff,” and better yet, where does he find the documentation? He is aligned with the LDS/Mormon church and I believe it is a requirement of this group that one does one’s family tree. My friend is definitely an ordinary Joe blow with not one penny to rub against the other, so he is not a “reincarnated” royal living in a pseudo castle...anything but. > > When he trots out all this “stuff,” I do become irked as I’m not sure whether he is being naïve in swallowing all these “facts,” or if he actually believes them. He is a brilliant person otherwise. The farthest back I’ve landed on a limb of my tree was in the mid-1600s and they were the English, with the Irish born in the late 1700s who appeared in Glasgow in the early 1800s, whilst the Scottish born and bred ones, mainly from Lanarkshire south to the English border, surface in the early 1700s. I mean, their roots have to go back and back, of course, but I haven’t found documentation of such as yet. > > How the harry heck does this friend get back to the 6th century when I can’t even find my great-great-grandfather’s father when he was born in the 1790s? Plus, to irk me even more, New Register House cannot find a little book of banns where I was so excited to find the banns recorded for this great-great-grandfather of mine and his wife. In the interim, the book apparently has not been digitised, and even if it were to be found (it apparently has done a disappearing trick!), it will no longer be accessible to the public. YET, my friend says he has documentation that he belongs to David 1 of Scotland and St. David of Wales. Groan!!! > > Maisie > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Only back to the 6th century?? At one point there was an online tree which took my line back to 400BC ...and one otherwise intelligent 'cousin' wondered if it might be true. I eventually tracked down the lady who'd put it up and she admitted she'd just taken stuff from various sites and made it fit. Unfortunately there was one major problem .....one (alleged) umpteenth gt grandfather had died in 1679 but his son wasn't born till 1690. Pity about that <LOL> Irene

 Hi Maisie and list, This reminds me of an entry on Family Search where someone claims to be descended from the ancient god of thunder Thor. His wife's name?-wait for it-MRS  Thor. Annie Stuart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maisie Egger" To: Cc: Sent:Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:07:09 -0700 Subject:[Lanark] Joe Blow goes back to the 6th century---really! Hello, all, How do I keep my “cool?” When I pooh-pooh a friends’ claims that he’s descended from kings and queens back to the year dot, he insists that he has documentation to prove it. It drives me crackers as his latest assertion is that he is related to Margaret of Wessex, England, who was actually born in Hungary where the family was exiled, who then became Queen Margaret of Scotland when she married the rascally Malcolm !!!, and then Saint Margaret of Scotland (the only Scottish saint). Margaret is the one responsible for reforming the religious practices of the church in Scotland at that time to conform to those of Rome. She was canonised 1250. She was born ca 1045 and died at Edinburgh Castle 1093 a couple of days after her husband Malcolm III (Canmore=Bighead) and son Edward were killed at the Battle of Alnwick, Northumbria (England).

To make allowances for him maybe he was tuppence ha’penny of the shilling, or else he was putting everyone on. From: Bill Annie & Liam Stuart Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 1:17 PM To: Maisie Egger Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Joe Blow goes back to the 6th century---really! Hi Maisie and list, This reminds me of an entry on Family Search where someone claims to be descended from the ancient god of thunder Thor. His wife's name?-wait for it-MRS Thor. Annie Stuart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maisie Egger" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: Sent: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:07:09 -0700 Subject: [Lanark] Joe Blow goes back to the 6th century---really! Hello, all, How do I keep my “cool?” When I pooh-pooh a friends’ claims that he’s descended from kings and queens back to the year dot, he insists that he has documentation to prove it. It drives me crackers as his latest assertion is that he is related to Margaret of Wessex, England, who was actually born in Hungary where the family was exiled, who then became Queen Margaret of Scotland when she married the rascally Malcolm !!!, and then Saint Margaret of Scotland (the only Scottish saint). Margaret is the one responsible for reforming the religious practices of the church in Scotland at that time to conform to those of Rome. She was canonised 1250. She was born ca 1045 and died at Edinburgh Castle 1093 a couple of days after her husband Malcolm III (Canmore=Bighead) and son Edward were killed at the Battle of Alnwick, Northumbria (England).