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    1. [Lanark] 3rd Dragoon Guards in Glasgow 1846-1848
    2. Carolyn Perkes
    3. Wondering what this regiment was doing in Glasgow or at least in Lanarkshire during these years. Have done some googling but haven't found much information apart from these dates. Context is the sister of my English gg-grandfather. In 1843, Frances Perkes married a James Peach(e)y who soon after joined the 3rd Dragoon Guards. They had a daughter Caroline born in Glasgow in around 1847-1848. Can't find a record of her birth in Scotland or England. They moved around quite a bit. Second daughter, Elizabeth born Mansfield Nottinghamshire Dec 1849. Poor James Peach(e)y was a private with this regiment when he died in April 1852 in Aston Warwickshire; at least he was buried there. Frances remarried but died in 1858 in Warwickshire. Her two daughters became servants. Caroline from at least the age of 13 - her birthplace Glasgow on the 1861 Census. If anyone could point me to good resources for learning more about this "3rd Dragoon Guards" and what they might have been up to in Glasgow, I would be grateful! Carolyn

    01/06/2014 04:17:18
    1. Re: [Lanark] 3rd Dragoon Guards in Glasgow 1846-1848
    2. Jean & John Johnston
    3. Hi Carolyn, Here is some history of the 3rd Dragoon Guards (primarily their band) obtained by "Googling". Only a brief mention of Scotland. Regards, John This Regiment was raised in 1685. In 1687 it was titled the 4th Horse and did not gain the title of 3rd Regiment of Dragoon Guards until about 1746, becoming the Prince of Wales’s Regiment in 1765. At the same time the distinctive badges, the Plume of Feathers, the Rising Sun and Red Dragon were to be displayed on the standards; the facings then were white. The Regiment fought in Portugal in 1809 and at most of the Duke of Wellington’s battles up to the occupation of Paris in 1816, the facings having been changed from white to bright blue in 1812 and finally to yellow in 1816. The yellow facings were to distinguish the Regiment throughout its subsequent career and on into the 20th century. remaining a feature of the dress of the present-day Regiment. Next followed a 40 year period of peacetime soldiering with the Regiment being stationed at most principal garrison towns in England, Scotland and Ireland. Pictorial evidence of the band in the 1840s and 5Os is provided by R. Ebsworth. He saw the mounted band formed up for a field day on Portobello sands, at least eight musicians appear in his sketch and all but the orderly trumpeter were mounted. As it is a field day the bandsmen wear undress. peak-less soft caps with yellow band and welt held in position by a narrow chin-strap. Scarlet stable-jackets have yellow collars. cuffs and piping at rear and also brass scales on the shoulders, overalls are blue with broad yellow stripe. The Trumpet-Major has a sword and black leather sabretache which is ornamented with a crown. The drum horse is a grey, there is no throat-plume or shabrack and the drum banners are presumably a drill-order pair kept for such occasions. They are blue with narrow gold edging. the central design being a crown with a VR below and a small badge within a garter below this, although it is not possible to determine which of the Regiment’s badges is displayed; probably the Feathers. The Regiment moved over to Ireland in 1852 and a fine picture by Michael Angelo Hayes. together with two by Ebsworth at Dublin two years later, supplies us with reliable confirmatory evidence. Hayes’ picture (1) is all one could wish for, showing the Commanding Officer and a dozen of his officers, all mounted, in conference in the foreground, whilst the entire Regiment, apparently four squadrons with standards, is drawn up in the rear; mounted band at its head. The CO’s trumpeter and all bandsmen have white plumes on the brass helmet, the remainder dark. The coatees are scarlet with yellow facings, officers have gold scales with gold wire fringes, whilst the soldiers have brass, but instead of the normal blue overalls all ranks at this date have grey with broad yellow striping. These grey trousers were experimental and an Order of 18th September, 1854 decreed that no further ones would be issued as they failed to answer the purpose. Bandsmen have yellow band aiguilettes from the left shoulder, the drum horse is a skewbald and there are several others in the band amongst the greys. The dress banners are now used blue with gold edging and embroidery, and with elaborate design, details seen clearly in the 1854 Ebsworth picture. The central design consists of the Prince of Wales’s feathers over a garter surrounded by a wreath in gold embroidery, an oval panel in each corner with two battle honor scrolls on either side, and a separate scroll below where the wreath sprays join. The battle honors at that date would be TALAVERA, ALBUHERA, VITTORIA and PENINSULA, and the title PRINCE OF WALES’S would occupy the scroll at base. Our color plate is based on this picture. Owing to the disturbed state of Ireland the 3rd Dragoon Guards were left there on police duty during the Crimean War period and a further valuable sketch was made by Ebsworth in 1854 showing the dismounted band and trumpeters under Bandmaster Rumpsling assembled to “play-out” drafts from the Cavalry Depot, Newbridge. The uniforms on this occasion were much as 1847, the Bandmaster’s cap has a peak, he alone wears a shoulder-belt and pouch, brass scales on the men’s scarlet jackets, trumpet cords are red and yellow. The Regiment was placed under orders for India in March 1857 and left Ireland for Canterbury where horses were exchanged for men and drafts, and volunteers from other regiments brought it up to strength. The drum horse went to the 11th Hussars. Unfortunately we lose sight of the band during its tour of duty in India, from whence the Regiment returned home, via Abyssinia where several months were spent on active service, reassembling as a complete regiment at Chichester in 1868.

    01/07/2014 01:44:14